Start of Archives : 23 January 1999 Subject: Re: S1836DLU SCSI Termination - Win95 SCSI Boot On CH.B ? Simple - But Why NT...? From: "William Taylor" Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 07:23:58 GMT I have the same boot problems with NT and Win98. If I set the AHA BIOS to boot from ChB ID0 then Win98 locks up at the aic78xx.mpd during startup. It eventually reboots the system after about 5 minutes. NT just freezes at the blue screen during boot with no messages. If I move my 68pin cable to channel A from channel B and reset the controller to boot from ChA ID0 everything works just fine. I can see and use disks on channel B so I don't think the port is bad. I'm running a Plextor 32T CD id3, PlexWriter CDR id4 and seagate Hawk4 id6 on the 50pin connector, terminated correctly. My 68pin chain is two IBM UltraStar 9LP's at id0 and id1, terminated correctly. I have a Viper550 AGP card on IRQ 10 which is shared with the onboard SCSI. No other cards. I've been banging on this for a while. For the life of me I cannot get the OS's to boot from channel B. (Linux will though...go figure). Any tips would be supremely helpful. Thanks, WT "3mil my-dejanews.com" wrote in message > > > > "CTRL-A" .. to boot from the SCSI Channel you want and > the SCSI HDD you desire > > :) > But WHY deosn't NT like > to boot from CH.B? What were > the exact errors it reported? > > >> Hello, have you ever tried to BOOT FROM a SCSI HDD connected to the >> Channel B with Win95(DOS6.x/Win3.xx, too : they treat disks in the same >> way)? But, let me understand (I'm adding SCSI disks to my 1836 right now) : >> when I say to the BIOS "Boot Device : SCSI", will the system try to boot >> from the FIRST SCSI HDD (first in SCSI ID) it finds...starting from CH.A? >> So, if there's nothing bootable in CH.A, it should stop to the first HDD in >> CH.B Am I RIGHT? ANother question : under EIDE we can say (via BIOS) : >> Boot from IDE 1, 2, 3 or 4 : it's very useful. But can we do the same with >> SCSI? Can I tell the system : Boot from the SECOND SCSI HDD you find? Maybe >> it's a feature of the ADAPTEC's BIOS.. >> >> I think also NT4..not having HDD's in CH.A will agree to live >> in a HDD in CH.B : I'd like very much to SEPARATE >> all the ULTRA WIDE devices (CH.B) from the >> FAST ones (CH.A)..without mixing. >> >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR HELP! >> >> g, Italy - EU >> >> > On Fri, 15 Jan 1999 06:53:56 GMT, "William Taylor" >> > wrote: >> > >> > >My question is can you have all three connections on the 7895 active at >> > >once? Say a hard disk on the Channel A wide port, a CDROM on ChA 50pin >> > >port, and a hard disk on the ChB wide port (the ends of all three cables >> > >terminated)? >> > > >> > >I've like to keep my devices spread across the channels but NT4 doesn't seem >> > >to like having the boot drive on channel B so I have to split my UW drives >> > >across A and B with the 50pin connector hosting my CDROM and CDR. >> > > >> > >Thanks, >> > > >> > >WT >> > >> > I do ! >> > >> > Port A: >> > 2 CD-rom's (Plextor and Yahama) SCSI-2 >> > 2 Disks (Quantum) SCSI-2 >> > 1 Disk (Micropolis) UW >> > >> > Port B: >> > 3 Disks (IBM) UW >> > >> > Cant waith to get my hands on a 1150CA ;-) >> > >> > Later >> > Michael "Psycho" Stauning.
Subject: 1836DLUAN SCSI problem.... From: "William Taylor" Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 07:36:40 GMT Here's my problem: I have an 1836DLUAN with a retail Viper550 AGP and 384MB Kingston SDRAM. On the onboard SCSI adapter I have a Seagate 4GB narrow drive, Plextor CDROM and CDR on the 50pin connection. I have two UW IBM Ultrastar 9LP's on the channel B 68pin connection. Termination is correct and I can access all SCSI devices. The SCSI BIOS is set to boot from Channel B id0. But, I cannot boot Win98 or NT from the first device on Channel B. Win98 hangs on the aic78xx.mpd and goes no further. It eventually reboots after 5 minutes. I can only run 98 in safe mode. NT will not boot as well. If I move the 68pin cable to channel A and reset the BIOS to boot from A everything works fine. I can see and use devices on Channel B if I boot from A so there is no problem with the actual hardware. I'm running the AHA drivers shipped with win98 and the ones shipped with the motherboard with NT. The system is totally stable and runs fine as long as I boot from channel A. Otherwise neither OS will boot. Is there a workaround for this? I'd like to have my UW devices on B and my slower stuff on A. Thanks in advance, WT
Subject: Re: 1836DLUAN SCSI problem.... From: "William Taylor" Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 08:22:51 GMT Ok....I've answered my own question. After digging around on Adaptec's site I found this item in the 3940UW FAQ's: you cannot boot from channel B if a harddrive is installed on channel A with BIOS revisions 1.12 or earlier. I don't know how this compares to the 1.32 version on my 1836. Anyway the fix is to remove the channel A harddrive IDs from the bus scan in the device settings screen. This takes the drive out from under BIOS control and places it under ASPI32 control (I think). Anyway it seems to work like a charm. I can boot from channel B now. Pretty nice too. My UW 9.1's bench at 15MB/s reads on their own channel compared to 12MB/s when they are on the 50pin/68pin channel A with the narrow devices. I hope this helps someone else who runs into this problem. WT
Subject: Re: 1836DLUAN SCSI problem....Thanks..clarification From: sflaxa hotmail.com Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 21:58:09 GMT William, it's good to hear you solved your SCSI Ch.B boot problem on the S1836! I'm waiting for a couple of Quantum Viking II UWSCSI drives to install on the same motherboard, so I have to get ready : my AHA3940AUW Channel A already hosts a SCSI TEAC 55S CD Recorder and a HP Scanjet, so I'd like to connect the 2 UW hdd's to the Channel B : now, if I understood well, I won't have problems booting from Channel B (under NT4 Server) because no scsi drives are attached to Channel A, right? Anyway, if I will ever buy any cheap narrow 50Pin drive to connect to Channel A, WHERE should I go to (as you say) "remove the channel A harddrive IDs from the bus scan in the device settings screen"? It's a NT setting or an Adaptec's BIOS' one? And will the narrow drive be recognized by NT evevn if not present in the scsi bus scan? THANKS FOR THIS CLARIFICATION WILLIAM! YOUR POST ABOUT THIS MATTER HAS BEEN REALLY USEFUL :) I'm also VERY pleased to know that switching your booting UWSCSI drives to their "dedicated" Channel B increased the trasfer rate! Thank you for your help, Gianluca ITALY - EUROPE Official address - sunflux geocities.com
Subject: S1836DLUAN-gx bios definations tyan forgot From: "WILLIAM PETRY" Date: 25 Jan 1999 04:32:47 GMT Hello to all: Does any one know where I can get very good explainations of the different bios settings for the AMI ver 1.12a text bios for a s1836dluan, as they do not appear on tyan's site or on AMI's web sight ?????? Also, I am looking for instructions on how to over clock this board to 112mhz fsb. I am running a pair of P2's 400 mhz with 128meg of memory-soon to be boosted up to 256meg. Don't know if i'll overclock the system or not but would like to know if I want to. Current plans include win98 on a 8.4g eide drive and to install NT 4.0 workstation on a scsi 4.3g ultra wide drive---- also have a beta 2 copy of windows 2000 that I would like to install on the drive with NT 4.0 -- any suggestions pro or con on this plan would be appreciated Thanks ahead of time ! Bill P.
Subject: Re: S1836DLUAN-gx bios definations tyan forgot From: James M. Estes Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 02:37:31 GMT Good luck. I have dual 400's on the 1836 board with BIOS 1.07. I cannot overclock beyond 104MHz using the FSB clock. The system will not boot when set to 450MHz using CPU multiplier jumpers. I think the CPU's are frequency locked. Also, dual systems are much less likely to run overclocked due to more critical timing requirements. >Hello to all: > > Does any one know where I can get very good explainations of the >different bios settings for the AMI >ver 1.12a text bios for a s1836dluan, as they do not appear on tyan's site >or on AMI's web sight ?????? > Also, I am looking for instructions on how to over clock this board to >112mhz fsb. I am running a pair of >P2's 400 mhz with 128meg of memory-soon to be >boosted up to 256meg. Don't know if i'll overclock the system or not but >would like to know if I want to. > Current plans include win98 on a 8.4g eide drive and to install NT 4.0 >workstation on a scsi 4.3g >ultra wide drive---- also have a beta 2 copy of windows 2000 that I would >like to install on the drive with NT 4.0 -- any suggestions pro or con on >this plan would be appreciated > > Thanks ahead of time ! > Bill P. > >
Subject: Re: S1836DLUAN-gx bios definations tyan forgot From: Joel Young Date: 26 Jan 1999 03:19:18 GMT James M. Estes writes: > Good luck. I have dual 400's on the 1836 board with BIOS 1.07. I > cannot overclock beyond 104MHz using the FSB clock. The system will > not boot when set to 450MHz using CPU multiplier jumpers. I think the > CPU's are frequency locked. Also, dual systems are much less likely to > run overclocked due to more critical timing requirements. I am running an 1836DLUAN with two PII-300s overclocked to 504 with 112 Mhz FSB. It is rock solid with 16 days uptime, and the last down time was for a kernel upgrade. Joel Young Oh, I forgot, I am using the STEP-Thermodynamics Yukon coolers on my PII-300s.
Subject: Re: S1836DLU overclocking Celeron 300A From: "Bob LaPierre" Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 09:46:52 -0500 The easiest way is to cover pin B21 with a piece of electrical tape. mindspring.com> wrote in message >How do you overclock a Celeron 300A to 450MHz on an S1836DLU?
Subject: Re: S1836DLU overclocking Celeron 300A From: Mark Mayhle Date: 25 Jan 1999 16:51:24 -0800 Depends on your level of comfort in popping the processor in and out, I guess. I think the _easiest_ way, at least to try and it and see if your processor will handle it, is to set the bus speed in the BIOS to 100 MHz. If you have BIOS v. 1.12 or before, this will provoke a warning requiring keyboard input to continue booting. To prevent this you can update to the latest BIOS (which may or may not cause other problems) or do the Pin B21 trick. "Bob LaPierre" wrote: >The easiest way is to cover pin B21 with a piece of electrical tape. -- Mark Mayhle
Subject: Re: S1836DLU overclocking Celeron 300A From: Michael "Psycho" Stauning Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 08:58:53 GMT On 25 Jan 1999 16:51:24 -0800, Mark Mayhle wrote: >Depends on your level of comfort in popping the processor in and out, >I guess. I think the _easiest_ way, at least to try and it and see >if your processor will handle it, is to set the bus speed in the BIOS >to 100 MHz. If you have BIOS v. 1.12 or before, this will provoke a >warning requiring keyboard input to continue booting. To prevent this >you can update to the latest BIOS (which may or may not cause other >problems) or do the Pin B21 trick. Where do you find a later BIOS than 1.12a for the 1836 ? Later Michael.
Subject: Re: S1836DLU overclocking Celeron 300A From: mmayhle crl.com (Mark Mayhle) Date: 28 Jan 1999 19:45:03 -0800 As of 1/28/99, 1.16a is on the Tyan web site. -- Mark Mayhle mmayhle crl.com (preferred address) mmayhle netcom.com (please use only if mail to crl.com bounces)
Subject: Re: Thunder 100 Vibra Chip Clips Sound in 98 From: "PuterHead" Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 17:59:20 -0500 Im having this problem too, but only with Macromedia files so far. .avi's are fine, cd's are fine. I noticed the problem went away when i reduced my screen res to 640x480 or went to 256 colors. have you found a fix?
Subject: Q: S1836 DLU - Please comment From: "Andreas Frädrich" Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 13:53:09 +0100 Hi! I'm considering to buy a TYAN S1836 DLU Thunder 100 which will have to run with the following components: Celeron 333 ASUS AGP - V3400TNT/TV SCSI-only (HDD, CD, DVD, Scanner, Syquest, ext. HDD, CD-R planned) IDE both disabled AVM Fritz! ISDN - Card (PCI) Ethernet - Card (PCI) Creative SB AWE32 (ISA) - later perhaps changing to SB Live (PCI) Floppy port tape streamer (could live w/o it) Does anybody have any comments / suggestions / experiences regarding this combination? Which frequency settings does this MB offer (maybe more than quoted in the manual?), and do they all run stable with SCSI ? (My current ASUS P2L97 with configuration shown above works great overclocked, but Adaptec 2940 does not work properly) At which frequency will AGP and PCI run when MB is set to non-standard frequencies? Could the Celeron 333 possibly run at 100MHz * 5 ??? Would it be possible to add a cheap, big IDE drive (for storage use, preferably as removable disk) without decreasing performance or crashing Win98 / NT ? Has anybody (other than Bill Gates ;-) ) tested an USB - Scanner, especially with hot-plugging? What improvements does the S1836 DLUAN offer? And are they worth the prize? I know these are quite a few questions, but I would appreciate any answer - many thanks in advance! Bye andreas.fraedrich
Subject: S1836DLUAN & STB Vel 4400 TNT Problem From: rbeauch remove.bigfoot.com (Bob) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 22:01:01 -0500 I recently installed a STB TNT card in my S1836dluan MB and I'm having problems with directx or direct3d. In both cases the system locks up. On stb's site the faq's mention that the TNT requires it's own IRQ. The tyan bios assigns the same IRQ to both the scsi and agp slot. I can't figure out how to change this. Has anyone had success with the s1836dluan and the Riva TNT agp card? Also, does anyone know the optimum bios settings for an AGP tnt card? any and all help would be greatly appreciated. thanks, Bob
Subject: Re: S1836DLUAN & STB Vel 4400 TNT Problem From: "Anthony Buntine" Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 23:55:09 +1100 I will be testing my S1836DLUAN & STB Velocity 4400 over the next couple of days. Will let you know if I have similar problems. Currently it seems to be running fine under Windows 98. I'm just now trying to install NT. However I can't get NT to see both processors. If you are also running NT with dual processors I would like to know how you configured it. Best of luck. Anthony Bob wrote in message ... >I recently installed a STB TNT card in my S1836dluan MB and I'm having >problems with directx or direct3d. In both cases the system locks up. On >stb's site the faq's mention that the TNT requires it's own IRQ. The tyan >bios assigns the same IRQ to both the scsi and agp slot. I can't figure >out how to change this. Has anyone had success with the s1836dluan and >the Riva TNT agp card? > >Also, does anyone know the optimum bios settings for an AGP tnt card? > >any and all help would be greatly appreciated. > >thanks, >Bob
Subject: Re: S1836DLUAN & STB Vel 4400 TNT Problem From: "Hiway" reinstalled.friggin.matrox.org> Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 09:12:23 -0500 The stb version has been noted here, no less then 5 times a week as the most troublesome of the lot, of video cards built around that Riva chipset.
Subject: Re: 1836DLUAN-GX - Vibra16xv probs/W98 From: Mark Mayhle Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 03:33:45 GMT PuterHead wrote: : Can anyone else repeat this! Using Win98 and the Vibra chip for sound. : Select 'run' from the 'start' button. Enter 'welcome.exe' (you will need : your W98 cd). After Welcome to Win'98 loads select 'Discover Win'98. Then : select 'What's New' (3). When this loads the sound is clipping all over the : place. Also seen this problem on Macromedia *.dir files. Is is just : me????? Any suggestions??? I tried this and did not get any clipping. I have my machine plugged into a nice Aiwa bookshelf system with powered subwoofer etc. I cranked up the volume and the sound from this segment was just fine. I'm running it from a crappy Mitsumi 4X CD-ROM at the moment (waiting for the Plextor 17/40 UW SCSI to be available). I thought of something that might be causing your problem-- try setting J32 and J33 to 2-3 (without preamp) rather than the default 1-2 (with preamp). Apologies if this you've already tried this. Mark Mayhle
Subject: S1836Thunder100 Dual Proc. Configeration From: "Anthony Buntine" Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 23:05:53 +1100 Hi, I am running an S1836 Thunder 100 GX motherboard, with only an STB Velocity AGP card. I have installed 2 x Intel 350 Mhz processors. For some strange reason I am having problems getting NT to configure itself for dual processing. Currently it only finds 1 processor. I've tried overiding this during configuration, but to no avail. Now I am considerable frustrated. I wanted to get to bed early tonight, and I hate these nagging computer problems at the best of times. When will someone design a system that actually always works? Any suggestions would be much appreciated. Regards, Anthony
Subject: Re: S1836Thunder100 Dual Proc. Configeration From: "Mike Smith" Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 12:01:14 -0500 Anthony Buntine wrote in message >Hi, > >I am running an S1836 Thunder 100 GX motherboard, with only an STB Velocity >AGP card. I have installed 2 x Intel 350 Mhz processors. > >For some strange reason I am having problems getting NT to configure itself >for dual processing. Currently it only finds 1 processor. The first time NT boots up during setup, it's only *supposed* to run on one CPU. You should be seeing "Multiprocessor Kernel - 1 Processor Detected" or something similar. Only after setup is complete will NT run on both CPUs. -- Mike Smith. No, the other one.
Subject: S1836DLU (BIOS?) problem From: tbkoehlerNOSPAM gw.total-web.net (Snatch) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 13:27:15 GMT I just got this board the other day. I installed it with: Celeron 300A Matrox G200 AGP card 2 x 64MB PC100 memory 1 - IDE hard drive When I powered it up I got: 1. no video signal 2. the 2 green lights on the motherboard lit up 3. the fans all started spinning including the one on the CPU heatsink 4. 5 beeps ("Processor Error" according to the manual) Tech support told me that the bios probably wasn't the current version, which supports the Celeron. They then walked me through the Flash Writer Utility to upgrade the BIOS but the floppy just kept reading the diskette and never ended. Finally they said they would send me a new chip with the current BIOS. It seems like the machine should at least post and then display an error message about the Celeron, shouldn't it? I'm hoping the new BIOS chip will solve the problem - I'm just kind of fishing for comments/opinions in the meantime.
Subject: Re: S1836DLU (BIOS?) problem From: wsewell Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 06:20:43 +1100 I just finished building my machine today had the same problem as you described, but no beeps. I fixed this by installing a P-II 400 and flashing the bios. I'm not sure with all the versions of this board but I did not need a flash utility the new AMI Bios have a built in Flash Utility. Copied from the manual Flash Writer Utility The AMI Flash Writer Utility is now included in the AMIBIOS, and so it is simpler to upgrade the BIOS of your mainboard. The system BIOS is stored on a flash EEPROM ROM chip on the mainboard which can be erased and reprogrammed by following the directions below. 1. From the DOS prompt, rename the BIOS file that you have down-loaded to amiboot.rom and copy it on to a floppy disk. 2. Insert the floppy disk with the BIOS upgrade into the A: drive. 3. Turn the power off. 4. While holding the and keys, turn the power on. The system will begin to read from the A: drive, and write the BIOS information contained on the floppy disk in that drive to the EEPROM ROM chip. When the BIOS has been totally reprogrammed, the system will reboot with the new BIOS in operation. 5. If the system does not reboot in three minutes, power down the system, wait a few seconds, and then turn the power back on again. You will be prompted to press to run Setup. You may check your settings at this time, or simply save and exit the program.
Subject: Re: S1836DLU (BIOS?) problem From: tmtan SPAMFREE.tm.net.my (Meng) Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 02:41:30 GMT On Thu, 28 Jan 1999 06:20:43 +1100, wsewell albury.net.au> wrote: > I just finished building my machine today had the same problem >as you described, but no beeps. >I fixed this by installing a P-II 400 and flashing the bios. I'm not sure >with all the versions of this board but >I did not need a flash utility the new AMI Bios have a built in Flash >Utility. >Snatch wrote: >> >> When I powered it up I got: >> 1. no video signal >> 2. the 2 green lights on the motherboard lit up >> 3. the fans all started spinning including the one on the CPU heatsink >> 4. 5 beeps ("Processor Error" according to the manual) yep, same board, same problem with BIOS 1.07 It refused to recognise my Celeron 300A I solved it by borrowing a P2-266, flashed BIOS 1.12A and it worked fine after that. Cheers Meng
Subject: Probs with Linux-Kernel and S1836DLU (was Re: S1836DLUAN-gx bios definations tyan forgot) From: Markus Egle Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 12:23:08 +0000 Joel Young wrote: > > I am running an 1836DLUAN with two PII-300s overclocked to 504 with > 112 Mhz FSB. It is rock solid with 16 days uptime, and the last > down time was for a kernel upgrade. Kernel upgrade? Linux-Kernel? Which Linux-Kernel? I have problems with 2.2.0 and 2.0.36. The only Kernel I've got running on my 1836DLU (BX) was a 2.0.34. I'm getting SCSI-errors. Booting from a RedHat5.2-CD failed too. Any solutions? -- Markus Egle
Subject: Celerons (was Re: Q: S1836 DLU - Please comment) From: Markus Egle Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 12:37:28 +0000 "Andreas Frädrich" wrote: > > Could the Celeron 333 possibly run at 100MHz * 5 ??? I've already tested 4 Celerons, no one did it. But all are running at 83MHz*5. Yesterday I've tried again a upgrade for dual-possibility for the celeron's. But no luck. I looked at the "production-week" 98-40 and 98-43 My first Celerons I've made for dual both have 98-28. Anybody knows, if Intel made something against the dual-patch? -- Markus Egle
Subject: Resource Problem 1836DLUAN From: "Steve Aikens" Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 17:03:48 -0700 Running NT 4SP4. AGP, UW Cheetah, IDE CDROM. Sound is up, LAN is up, running fine. Tried to install PCI MODEM and get "insufficiant resources available to operate device". Any ideas? Steve Aikens, Clovis, New Mexico "Archie"
Subject: Re: Probs with Linux-Kernel and S1836DLU (was Re: S1836DLUAN-gx bios definations tyan forgot) From: Joel Young Date: 29 Jan 1999 03:08:23 GMT Markus Egle writes: Here is my conf.modules path[sound]=/lib/modules/preferred path[ipv6]=/lib/modules/preferred path[ipv4]=/lib/modules/preferred path[cdrom]=/lib/modules/preferred path[block]=/lib/modules/preferred path[scsi]=/lib/modules/preferred path[net]=/lib/modules/preferred path[misc]=/lib/modules/preferred path[fs]=/lib/modules/preferred alias eth0 eepro100 alias cua1 slhc alias cua1 ppp alias ppp0 bsd_comp alias scsi_hostadapter aic7xxx alias sound sb alias midi opl3 options opl3 io=0x388 options sb io=0x220 irq=5 dma=1 dma16=3 mpu_io=0x330 I am running RedHat's 2.0.36 rebuilt with SMP support turned on. For the SCSI errors, I was getting them too until I realized that I had screwed up my termination. I have not tried 2.2.0 yet. Nothing I need (yet). What boot technique are you using? Lilo or loadlin? Have you tried building a monolithic kernel without sound but with the aic7xxx driver? BTW here is my uptime right now: 10:03pm up 19 days, 21:08, 2 users, load average: 0.00, 0.02, 0.00 Joel Young
Subject: 1836DLU - Internal SCSI to External SCSI Connector??? From: Gadg8man Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 09:07:39 -0330 I would like to connect my HP Scanner to the SCSI connector on the motherboard. Is there an internal to external connector available for the 1836DLU?? Maybe Adaptec has one? I could'nt find it though. Help is appreciated.... Chris Stoodley Newfoundland, Canada
Subject: Re: 1836DLU - Internal SCSI to External SCSI Connector??? From: mdr home.com> Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 20:30:50 GMT It must be the Supermicro (Asus includes one also). I've used four tyan MB now and none of them include any external SCSI interfaces. I've made a couple internal narrow SCSI to external Centronics SCSI connectors (for my old SCSI tape back-up drives) for about $8.00 a piece. They work well. The problem is that they don't have a nice bracket to fit on, one could always use a dremel and carve one up, don't laugh. I'm sure the same could be done for 68 pin. Adaptec also sells brackets and I've seen a couple of vendors on Ebay that "auction" brackets as well for about $9-11. MDR Mike Smith wrote: > Damnit, I can't remember now if it was the S1836 or a Supermicro board we > also have here, but *one* of them (I *think* it was the Tyan) included a > 68-pin cable that ended in a card-bracket-type external connector. It also > had several connectors on it for internal devices, but did *not* come with a > terminator to stick on the outside... > > -- > Mike Smith
Subject: Re: 1836DLU - Internal SCSI to External SCSI Connector??? From: Gary Blythe Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 23:03:19 GMT I picked up a connector and cable at a computer show for a few bucks and punched it through one of the punchouts on my SuperMicro case... It's a trivial operation and won't set you back more than about 5-10 bucks. Don't forget to pick up a SCSI terminator too... Gary
Subject: 1832DL or 1836DLUAN From: Rayearth02 Date: 29 Jan 1999 16:14:34 GMT I'm trying to decide which board to get, I want a dual processor board, and would like it to be 440GX, but I don't need the ultra SCSI on board. If Tyan has any other boards that are dual, 440GX but don't have the ultra SCSI I'd love to know, thanx Robert Purington
Subject: Re: 1832DL or 1836DLUAN From: mdr home.com> Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 08:47:12 GMT If you are getting a dual PII then in the end you will want ultra scsi.
Subject: Re: 1832DL or 1836DLUAN From: Bryan Cady Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 06:52:28 GMT I am wondering the same thing. I already have an Ultra Scsi card and drive but wondering if saving the PCI slot might just be worth it. Also I have always been told that you shouldn't get onboard components like Scsi and audio because if you want to put your own audio card on it will just conflict with the onboard and is a pain to disable. Does anyone agree or disagree. BC
Subject: SCSI CDROM not recognized on S1836DLUAN !!! From: rceci Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 17:29:39 GMT Hello, I have a S1836DLUAN Thunder 100. Last night I tried to connect a Toshiba xm6201B 32x narrow SCSI-2 CDROM the the "Narrow SCSI A Connector" on the mb. I have a 9.1 Ultrastar (IBM) UW scsi disk on the wide channel B that is recognized. But the CDROM does not show up. By recognized I mean shows up when the Adaptec BIOS scans the channels and prints recognized devices. I am confused as to the proper settings for Jp14 and JP15, which by default were on 1-2 (hardwared terminated). I changed them both to 2-3, to allow the SCSI controller chip to control the termination. Both the CDROM and the 9.1 HDD have their terminator blocks enabled. So I think my diagram is something like: * 9.1 HDD ---[16bit]---- ---- [8 bit]--- CDROM * I am not sure what the Adaptec BIOS SCSI should set to, so I left it at AUTO, for both channels. Should I specifically say Low OFF/High ON for the A channel, because I have a narrow device on it, or should AUTO be sufficient? What else could be possibly keeping from seeing this device scanned? Thanks Rob
Subject: Problem with S1836 and a GIG of RAM! From: jgreer csicorp-us.com Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 19:47:44 GMT We have a S1836DLUAN THUNDER 100 that we are trying to install windows NT 4.0 on. With the latest drivers from Adaptec, both CPU's at 450MHz and (4) 256 meg ECC Registered RAM DIMMs from Millennium Memory we are getting install errors. When we take one stick out so we only have 750 megs of RAM we can install NT and have NO problems. I was so ecstatic when it worked with 750 megs of RAM that I did not record the error message. I think it has to do with the OS thinking that NTOSKRNL is corrupt and it needed to be re-installed. I need 1024 megs of RAM for Pro Engineer, I have a 700 meg IGES file to import, this needs to be resolved right away. I have the most current BIOS, 1.12a from your web site. I am sure NT has known problems with 1024 megs of RAM, how do I get around it, install NT with 512 megs of RAM and upgrade to CSP004 and then add an additional 512 so that I am at 1024 megs of RAM? Thanks, Joe Greer Network Administrator CSI Industrial Systems Corp.
Subject: Re: Probs with Linux-Kernel and S1836DLU From: Markus Egle Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 01:06:53 +0000 Joel Young wrote: > [...] > > I am running RedHat's 2.0.36 rebuilt with SMP support > turned on. For the SCSI errors, I was getting them too > until I realized that I had screwed up my termination. I've already tested. I disconnected all CD-Roms and connected the HD to Channel A. HD is terminated and for the Host I set in the BIOS Low and High-Byte-Termination ON. The cable ends at the HD and at the host. What else should I have to check for? > What boot technique are you using? Lilo or loadlin? > > Have you tried building a monolithic kernel without > sound but with the aic7xxx driver? I'm using lilo. And I've made a kernel without any modules and without ide, net and sound. I switched of to check for multiple LUN's on every ID. The difference that made me wonder: 2.2.0 > (scsi0) Downloading sequencer code... 404 instructions downloaded 2.0.34> (scsi0) Downloading sequencer code... 413 instructions downloaded -- Markus Egle
Subject: Re: Probs with Linux-Kernel and S1836DLU From: "William Taylor" Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 01:55:46 GMT I think you have that backwards. My 2.0.36 kernels download 404 instructions while my 2.2 kernel downloads 413. I thinks its just differences in the aic78xx drivers. What problems are you getting? I'm running 2.0.36 and 2.2.0 with no problems on an 1836DLUAN with SCSI devices and SMP. WT
Subject: Re: Probs with Linux-Kernel and S1836DLU From: Markus Egle Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 08:48:30 +0000 William Taylor wrote: > Markus Egle wrote > > > >The difference that made me wonder: > >2.2.0 > (scsi0) Downloading sequencer code... 404 instructions downloaded > >2.0.34> (scsi0) Downloading sequencer code... 413 instructions downloaded > > I think you have that backwards. My 2.0.36 kernels download 404 instructions > while my 2.2 kernel downloads 413. I thinks its just differences in the > aic78xx drivers. I checked it. It is like I said. > What problems are you getting? I'm running 2.0.36 and 2.2.0 with no problems > on an 1836DLUAN with SCSI devices and SMP. Some minutes ago I tried the new BIOS 1.16a. Nothing changed. I tried some SCSI settings like Initiate Sync Nogotation, Enable Disconnection and Initiate Wide Negotation (switched off), also I changed the Maximum Sync Transfer Rate to 10.0 MB/s. Only the error messages changed, no success. I've attached some error messages, the config of the pc and the .config for the kernel. Don't panic, NO BINARIES. Any regards? -- Markus Egle
Subject: Re: Probs with Linux-Kernel and S1836DLU From: jgreer csicorp-us.com Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 16:26:50 GMT > I tried some SCSI settings like Initiate Sync Nogotation, Enable Disconnection > and Initiate Wide Negotation (switched off), also I changed the Maximum Sync > Transfer Rate to 10.0 MB/s. Only the error messages changed, no success. Do you have RAM in all 4 banks? or do you have a gig of RAM? We had a very hard time with NT and a gig of ram. Also I think there is a problem with the Dual SCSI onboard. If you load a small DOS partition with any MS dos and then try to install the EZSCSI software the system scans channel A in less than 10 seconds, channel B takes 3 minutes with a 450MHz and nothing on the chain. When installing NT I kept getting errors on the SCSI CD-ROM. My Solution with 1.12a BIOS: boot disk IDE CD ROM IDE Install NT install SCSI drivers attach hard drive copy working NT to SCSI hard drive reboot booting from SCSI TYAN is not helping, took them a week just to reply to my first message. I will be trying the new BIOS soon. Thanks, Joe Greer Network Administrator CSI Industrial Systems Corp.
Subject: Re: Probs with Linux-Kernel and S1836DLU From: jdyoung m486.young (Joel Young) Date: 30 Jan 1999 20:51:08 GMT Markus Egle writes: > scsi : 2 hosts > Vendor: IBM Model: DGVS09U Rev: 0350 > Type: Direct-Access ANSI SCSI revision: 03 > Detected scsi disk sda at scsi0, channel 0, id 0, lun 0 > scsi : detected 1 SCSI disk total > (scsi 0:0:0:0) Syncronous at 40,0 Mbyte/sec, offset 8. > SCSI device sda: hdwr sector=512 bytes. Sectors=17829870 [8705MB][8.7GB] > Partition check: > sda: sda1 sda2 sda3 sda4 < sda5 sda6 sda7 > That is a kickin drive that you have. I didn't know that the 1836DLU supported SCA-2 drives. Do you have an adapter? Does the drive work correctly with NT and/or WinDoze with 32 bit drivers? Double check your termination? Are you applying termination power at the drive? You shouldn't be I don't think since the board does. The errors you got were very similar to the ones I was getting until I checked (for the tenth time) my termination and found I had the jumper off by one. You may need to send your problem to the aic7xxx development list... Joel Young
Subject: Re: Probs with Linux-Kernel and S1836DLU From: Markus Egle Date: Mon, 01 Feb 1999 00:16:38 +0000 Joel Young wrote: > > That is a kickin drive that you have. I didn't know that the > 1836DLU supported SCA-2 drives. Do you have an adapter? > Does the drive work correctly with NT and/or WinDoze with 32 > bit drivers? No adapters, it's a normal 68pin UW-Drive. I'm running Win98, BeOS and Linux(2.0.34) for about 3month. Installing Win98 was weird. After the first boot it hung, after five minutes - reset by me, I've made this several times and it was always the same. HD-activity (showing Win98 logo), blinking of the CD-Drives (and switching to the "text"-mode) then nothing more, for several minutes. After waiting over 20min install was going on. Installing BeOS was no Problem. Installing Linux with RedHat5.2 failed, with Error Message mount failed. RedHat5.1 with Kernel2.0.34 was successful. Booting with compiled SMP-Kernel 2.0.34 too. Now I have three running systems, accepting the DGHS and the AIC-7895. And now I can't believe that it should be a problem with termination or a problem with the host. > Double check your termination? Are you applying termination > power at the drive? You shouldn't be I don't think since the > board does. I checked it again. JP1-JP4 not set -> ID 0 JP5 set Autostart JP6 set Enable Active Termination JP7 not set Reserved JP8 not set External Activity LED JP9 not set Write Protect JP10 not set Autostart Delay JP11 not set Reserved JP12 not set Disable Sync Negotiations JP13 not set Disable SCSI Parity JP14 not set Disable Unit Attention JP15 not set Disable Wide Negotiations JP16 not set Termination Power Enable For JP16 I found this: Termination power is optionally provided for systems that desire to use it. In order to use the termination power, the user needs to install a jumper (2.54 mm) between pins 1 and 2 of the termpower block. The jumper should only be installed on one device, which should be the last device on the SCSI bus. 68 pin models can source up to 2.0 Amps of current at 5.0 Volts (+/-5%) for termination power. > The errors you got were very similar to the ones I was getting > until I checked (for the tenth time) my termination and found > I had the jumper off by one. > > You may need to send your problem to the aic7xxx development > list... How do I subscribe to this list? Thanks for any information, -- Markus Egle
Subject: Re: Probs with Linux-Kernel and S1836DLU From: "William Taylor" Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 05:11:12 GMT Are you able to access the disk with other OS's? Can you format the entire disk with no problems? Do the errors follow the disk around to other ID's or can you swap the disk with another and see if the errors persist? Check your termination. I'm sure you've probably heard all of these and/or done them. But it never hurts to double checl. I had similar errors when I had an IBM DGHS goes bad. I did a disk verify under the adaptec BIOS and received several sector errors. Usually when I see a sense key error on disks in my Sun's at work out it goes. Markus Egle wrote in message >William Taylor wrote: >> Markus Egle wrote >> > >> >The difference that made me wonder: >> >2.2.0 > (scsi0) Downloading sequencer code... 404 instructions downloaded >> >2.0.34> (scsi0) Downloading sequencer code... 413 instructions downloaded >> >> I think you have that backwards. My 2.0.36 kernels download 404 instructions >> while my 2.2 kernel downloads 413. I thinks its just differences in the >> aic78xx drivers. > >I checked it. It is like I said. > >> What problems are you getting? I'm running 2.0.36 and 2.2.0 with no problems >> on an 1836DLUAN with SCSI devices and SMP. > >Some minutes ago I tried the new BIOS 1.16a. Nothing changed. > >I tried some SCSI settings like Initiate Sync Nogotation, Enable Disconnection >and Initiate Wide Negotation (switched off), also I changed the Maximum Sync >Transfer Rate to 10.0 MB/s. Only the error messages changed, no success. > >I've attached some error messages, the config of the pc and the .config for the >kernel. Don't panic, NO BINARIES. > > >Any regards? >-- >Markus Egle
Subject: Re: SCSI CDROM not recognized on S1836DLUAN !!! - IT MUST From: 3mil my-dejanews.com Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 09:56:31 GMT TRY AGAIN! You're doing something wrong or something is wrong in your SCSI CDROM. MOVE all the 1836's SCSI jumpers to their ORIGINAL configuration and terminate the 2 SCSI devices you have. Check the 50Pin cable and check its connection : IT MUST WORK!
Subject: Re: SCSI CDROM not recognized on S1836DLUAN !!! - IT MUST From: jgreer csicorp-us.com Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 16:29:35 GMT 3mil my-dejanews.com wrote: > > TRY AGAIN! You're doing something wrong > or something is wrong in your SCSI CDROM. > MOVE all the 1836's SCSI jumpers to their ORIGINAL > configuration and terminate the 2 SCSI devices > you have. Check the 50Pin cable and > check its connection : IT MUST WORK! > With Nothing on channel B it takes a long time to search each ID, there is something wrong... Do you have RAM in all 4 banks? or do you have a gig of RAM? We had a very hard time with NT and a gig of ram. Also I think there is a problem with the Dual SCSI onboard. If you load a small DOS partition with any MS dos and then try to install the EZSCSI software the system scans channel A in less than 10 seconds, channel B takes 3 minutes with a 450MHz and nothing on the chain. When installing NT I kept getting errors on the SCSI CD-ROM. My Solution with 1.12a BIOS: boot disk IDE CD ROM IDE Install NT install SCSI drivers attach hard drive copy working NT to SCSI hard drive reboot booting from SCSI TYAN is not helping, took them a week just to reply to my first message. I will be trying the new BIOS soon. Thanks, Joe Greer Network Administrator CSI Industrial Systems Corp.
Subject: 1836 DLU Blue Screen Errors From: "Gary Broughman" Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 09:53:23 -0500 I built a new system based on the Tyan 1836DLU in November; I bought the MB, PII-400, and memory form the same company. I am running Win 98 and have been experiencing random blue screen problems ei OE has occurred at 0028:c003117c etc. After reading posts here I suspect the memory may be bad. At boot when BIOS says checking NVRAM I do not get the OK! message, I know I have seen it come back with the OK! before with this machine I understand that NVRAM is Non-Vollatile RAM but this seams odd to me. Also the system beeps once after POST which the manual says reseat the memory SIMMS. I talked to Tech Support at Motherboard Express and he told me the memory was supplied by ATP, which is Tyan approved. Any thoughts or comments welcome.
Subject: S1836DLUAN Thunder 100 and PCI sound problem under NT4 From: Mr Jones mtco.com> Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 17:18:52 GMT I am having a sound problem under NT4 SP4. After playing a game (Quake2, TRIBES, Myth II) for approximately 10 minutes, the sound abruptly stops. The game plays fine, but no sound. After exiting the game, .wav and .midi files still play. Only a reboot brings the in game sounds back.  According to NT Diagnostics there are no IRQ or address conflicts. Here is the system configuration. Tyan S1836DLUAN 1.16a BIOS (sound problem present with 1.12 also) Dual P2 400 processors (1) 128 meg DIMM Monster MX300 sound card (sound problem present with Montego A3DXstream also) Seagate ST19101W HD on channel A Plextor PX-32CS on channel A Any ideas? Chris
Subject: Re: S1836DLUAN Thunder 100 and PCI sound problem under NT4 From: "Ningauble" Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 12:42:09 -0500 Aureal's drivers, (much like the CL SB Live drivers up until the most recent release) are not SMP-friendly. They just don't work right on multiprocessor machines. I had a Montego and had the exact same problem, on several machines. Unfortunately, you are most likely at the mercy of Aureal, who would have to write properly working NT drivers, but I have not heard of any committment on their part to do so. Inicidentally, the Ensoniq AudioPCI has rock-solid driver support for NT, and the latest SB Live drivers are pretty good, now that they actually handle exceptions . Hope this helps, Ning
Subject: S1836DLU Boot From: "Gary Broughman" Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 09:08:12 -0500 If anyone is using this board let me know if during boot they see the message Checking NVRAM... OK! or just Checking NVRAM... I am trying to trouble shoot random blue screen errors. I do not get an OK! response currently. Thanks, Gary
Subject: Re: 1836DLUAN and RIVA TNT Boards From: webmaster alfred.edu Date: Mon, 01 Feb 1999 11:51:17 GMT Hey vertigo, you seem to have a very similar setup to mine. I'm missing the voodoo, but have another couple of scsi devices. I was wondering if you have anyproblems in NT running realplayer, or if explorer ever just randomly causes an acception error on you. I've been trying to trouble shoot these two things in my system, and just haven't found the errors. Realplayer repeatedly makes my system take the all nasty blue screen dump. Explorer (with active desktop) seems to crash randomly which causes all my icons and taskbar to become temporarily corrupted. This latter problem seems much harder to isolate and repeat. Seems to happen at will. Other than these two things, the system is super stable and doesn't give a hint of problems. Setup Dual PII 400's (not-overclocked) Canopus Spectra 2500 Maxtor Diamondmax 2500 256 MB of PC 100Ram 3 Scsi CDROMS NT 4 with IE 4.01 (SP1) and Service Pack 4 installed Thanks, Jon vertigo vertigopariah.com wrote: > I've got the 1836dluan and the canopus spectra 2500 and all the > devices are happy together. I have a scsi cdrom and a dat drive on > channel a and nothing on b, and everything seems to woking ok. I also > have a diamond voodoo 2 in the 1st pci slot and a sb live in pci slot > 2 . I can use the open gl of either the tnt or the voodoo card if I > want to. Now my tnt card is sharing an IRQ with the scsi stuff which > is 10 for me. I've heard that some people have it on IRQ 11. 98 when I > first installed it just saw the card as a normal pci video card until > I put the lastest drivers in from canopus.Hope that helps. > > Craig > > On Sun, 3 Jan 1999 19:47:27 +0100, Christian Krülle wrote: > > >Has anyone set up successfully a stable system with a RIVA TNT > >graphics board ? If so, what brand do u use ? What do I have to pay > >attention of when installing (Win 98) ? I tried out ELSA ERAZOR II, but > >got some errors (protection faults with Open GL). > >I got some hints that I have to assign an exlusive IRQ to a TNT board, > >but it is impossible on the 1836DLUAN, cos the AGP slot and the > >SCSI channels always use the same IRQ on the board, right ? > > > >Any hints will be greatly appreciated. > > > >Thank u, > >Chris > > > > -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own
Subject: Re: 1836DLUAN and RIVA TNT Boards From: vertigo vertigopariah.com (Vertigo) Date: Tue, 02 Feb 1999 11:24:06 GMT Jon I havent installed nt yet but I've been wanting to so tonignt when I get home from work I'll install it and I can let you know the results. i'll install everything that you have with the new service pack hopefully all will go well, i'll let you know. Craig
Subject: Re: 1836DLUAN and RIVA TNT Boards From: vertigo vertigopariah.com (Vertigo) Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 00:54:01 GMT Jon I was getting started on the nt workstation install then I saw that I had FAT32 on my primary drive so this weekend I'll blow the system away and fat32 and try it and let you know. Craig On Tue, 02 Feb 1999 11:24:06 GMT, vertigo vertigopariah.com (Vertigo) wrote: >Jon I havent installed nt yet but I've been wanting to so tonignt when >I get home from work I'll install it and I can let you know the >results. i'll install everything that you have with the new service >pack hopefully all will go well, i'll let you know. > >Craig
Subject: Re: 1836DLUAN and RIVA TNT Boards From: "William Taylor" midsouth.rr.com> Date: Fri, 05 Feb 1999 05:10:22 GMT You must have some configuration conflict in the hardware you are adding to the 1836 for 3 to have the exact same problem. I would expect 3 different boards to exhibit 3 different problems if they arrived defective. I'm running an 1836DLUAN with dual PII/450's, Diamond V550 AGP, SBLive Value, two Voodoo2's and SCSI disks and CDROM. NT4SP4, Win98, BeOS R4 and Linux run fine. I've had two problems: 1) Under Win95/98 I have to install the V550 AGP drivers prior to installing the 440GX INF update or the AGP motherboard resources are not detected correctly. 2.) Under win98 and NT I cannot install the OS's when the SCSI disk boots from SCSI CHannel B, only channel A. Win95/98 hangs at the aha78xx.vxd driver at boot time if the boot disk is on channel B. What else is installed on your system? Is the power supply ATX2.01? Can you disable SCSI and test with a generic IDE disk to make sure the fact that AGP and SCSI share an IRQ is not the problem? Those are all I can think of. WT Other than those two issues the board has been solid. me mycomp.com wrote in message ... >I have already received my 3rd, non-working MB from Tyan. I am at my wits >end. Dual 350’s 3 seagate baracudas 192 MB Corsair ECC SDRAM and the video >card is a TnT AGP, I have tried the canopus, STB, Diamond, and the Asus. In >all cases I have had different problems from the Bluescreen stating hardware >failure contact your vendor for support, to WIN98 not assigning an IRQ to >the TnT, even though the bios show it assigned to 10, now this new MB has >the same problem as the first. Can ANYONE get the 1836 to work with dual >procs and a TnT AGP card ?!?!
Subject: S1836DLUAN Thunder 100 and onboard sound problem under NT5 beta 2 From: "Daniel Doron" optibase.co.il> Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 09:46:47 +0200 Hi, I just recently installed NT 5.0 beta 2 and having some problems with the on board SoundBlaster. Apparently NT detects it o.k. but there is actually no output though no errors are reported. Anyone aware of new drivers (even at beta stage) for this OS ? Should I upgrade the BIOS ? Tyan S1836DLUAN P2 350 processor (1) 128 meg DIMM NVRAM
Subject: S1836DLUAN Thunder 100, failed to install win95/98. From: "Patrick de Boer" sctcorp.com> Date: Tue, 02 Feb 1999 08:52:45 GMT Hi there, I've recently bought the thunder 100. I first installed NT4, sp4 worked like a charm, wel if you ignore the one BSOD I got when booting from the CD-ROM. ;-). And I can get windows 98 to install, but it freezes during normal boot, save mode does work however. Windows 95 also installs just fine, but when I add the two scsi busses and reboot, then the system also freezes. So it looks like it has something to do with the SCSI drivers. Anybody has similar experiences ? I've got 2 x P2-400 (non-overclocked), 1 x 128Mb PC100, 4.55Gb Seagate baracuda (Ch B), 4.3x SCSI CD-ROM (Ch A). Regards, Patrick de Boer.
Subject: Re: S1836DLUAN Thunder 100, failed to install win95/98. From: Fun Guy worldnet.att.net> Date: Tue, 02 Feb 1999 05:12:29 -0500 Hey Patrick - I can't answer your question but was hoping to ask you a couple about the DLUAN. I was looking at the board and considering it, but can only find out so much from the Tyan web site. First, do you like the board? Do you think it is worth what you paid for it? Are you using the on-board SCSI? How is it? Can you change FSB bus speeds, and CPU voltage settings? What are the ranges of speeds and voltages? Thanks for anything you can offer.
Subject: Re: S1836DLUAN Thunder 100, failed to install win95/98. From: "Patrick de Boer" sctcorp.com> Date: Thu, 04 Feb 1999 13:04:17 GMT I've solved the problem with windows 98. I'd installed the patches found on the tyan website. What propably fixed the problem: I've moved my CD-ROM player from ID 0 to ID 1. I also had the host ID switched back to 7 (that was at 15), you'll never know. ;-). Since my harddisk was at ID0 Ch B and my CD-ROM player was at ID0 Ch A. Hope this helps. cya, Patrick.
Subject: Re: S1836DLUAN Thunder 100, failed to install win95/98. From: Markus Egle fritz.ghbunreachable.fh-furtwangen.de> Date: Tue, 02 Feb 1999 13:29:18 +0000 To me it was the same. If you mean the first time of booting, after installing Windows. Boot again, and wait. Wait long! Wait for at least 20 to 30 min. At any time the booting-sequence will go on. I think it is the detection of the right scsi-host adapter, and win98 is checking all versions of SCSI-Controllers it would might be. The next time of booting should be much more faster :-) Please report any solutions you have made. -- Markus Egle
Subject: Re: S1836DLUAN Thunder 100, failed to install win95/98. From: mmayhle crl.com (Mark Mayhle) Date: 2 Feb 1999 13:39:59 -0800 "Patrick de Boer" sctcorp.com> wrote: >And I can get windows 98 to install, but it freezes during normal boot, save >mode does work however. >Windows 95 also installs just fine, but when I add the two scsi busses and >reboot, then the system >also freezes. So it looks like it has something to do with the SCSI drivers. > >Anybody has similar experiences ? > >I've got 2 x P2-400 (non-overclocked), 1 x 128Mb PC100, 4.55Gb Seagate >baracuda (Ch B), 4.3x SCSI CD-ROM (Ch A). I had a similar experience. Try switching the SCSI channels. -- -- Mark Mayhle mmayhle crl.com (preferred address) mmayhle netcom.com (please use only if mail to crl.com bounces)
Subject: Re: S1836DLUAN Thunder 100, failed to install win95/98. From: jmestes xspammediaone.net (James M. Estes) Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 02:18:28 GMT I had a similar experience with that board and Win98. It was resolved by making sure the SCSI ID for the Win98 boot drive was 0. Hope this helps.
Subject: Re: S1836DLUAN Thunder 100, failed to install win95/98. From: "William Taylor" yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 05 Feb 1999 07:14:13 GMT I had a similar problem. CDROM on ChA and disks on ChB. Win95/98 would hang during last reboot of the install. The OS would hang at the aic789x.vxd driver every time even though it saw the disks OK. Moving the disks to ChA allowed WIn95/98 to boot. After that I could move the drives back to ChB with no apparent problems. NT4 installed fine on ChB. Go figure. WT
Subject: Re: S1836DLUAN GX IRQ Steering Problem From: "+NRG" ix.netcom.com> Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 19:18:10 -0500 David, mine is exactly the same way, I have the exact board. I think it is something inherant to the bios. When we get an upgrade, it should fix it. Hopefully David Salonius wrote in message >I just received my second S1836DLUAN GX motherboard, and I am glad to know I >wasn't completely crazy with the problems I was having with the first. >Unfortunately the replacment motherboard has come with its own set of >problems. With nothing more installed than my G200 AGP video card, and an >ISA modem - when I click on PCI bus in System Devices, under IRQ steering - >IRQ Routing Status, i have the following: > >IRQ Steering Disabled > >IRQ Table has some errors. > >Anyone had this problem? have any ideas as to what's causing this? > >Dave
Subject: Re: S1836DLUAN GX IRQ Steering Problem From: "Jan-Willem Kruse" worldonline.nl> Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 19:55:37 +0100 I had the same problems. But I found a solution: 1. go to the microsoft support site support.microsoft.com/support 2. search for ACPI and windows 98 3. there is a article about the fact that ACPI is not supported with a normal installation. You have to install windows 98 by using setup.exe with a parameter, something like setup /p f or so. Another problem I had with installing windows 98 is that at the time windows 98 setup is going to reboot the whole system hangs, I had to reset the computer. Searching again at the microsoft support site on SCSI and windows 98 I found an article which tells that if you only have SCSI drives and no IDE, you need to temporarily switch of the processor cache! After trying to get my system stable for 1.5 week at last I succeeded. I hope this helps, because I don't know if you are running win98. Jan-Willem Kruse The Netherlands
Subject: techsupport tyan.com problems From: Aram Khalili gl.umbc.edu> Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 17:21:56 -0500 Hi people, I'm having some problems with Tyan's tech support people. They don't answer my emails. I sent one on Jan 7 and another about Jan 27, and still have gotten no answer to either one. Anybody else have any experience with them? I got this address from Tyan's website. The questions were about a Tomcat IV dual, which is an older board, but they should take a clueful tech support engineer less than five minutes to reply, depending on his typing speed :). Now since I didn't get a reply from the people who are paid to do so, hopefully there are some people in this group who have more clue than me, which is close to zero anyway. I got a S1564D and want to run a P233MMX on it. Downloaded the .pdf manual fromn www.tyan.com, it said to set the VIO jumper for P55s and I can't find the damn thing neither on the board, nor in the schema in the file. Further about memory voltages: how would I go about finding out which voltage my memory uses? Is it safe to start with 3 volt and if thing don't work, go to 5V? Any help appreciated. -aram Aram Khalili akhali1 umbc.edu
Subject: Re: techsupport tyan.com problems From: peterson mail.zgnews.com (Bob Peterson) Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 23:31:04 GMT Aram Khalili gl.umbc.edu> wrote: >Hi people, >... >I got a S1564D and want to run a P233MMX on it. Downloaded the .pdf manual >fromn www.tyan.com, it said to set the VIO jumper for P55s and I can't find >the damn thing neither on the board, nor in the schema in the file. The VIO jumper is missing in the online 1564 manual. You didn't miss it. That's surprising because my paper manual, labeled as the same revision (S1564-001-01) _does_ show the VIO jumper. The VIO jumper is near J27, on the short edge of the board. On the board itself look to the left of J27 between a voltage regulator and a large can (upright) capacitor. My 1564D has silkscreened "VIO" next to the jumper. If it appeared in the graphic on page 7 of the PDF manual (ftp://ftp.tyan.com/manuals/s1564/1564_100.pdf) it would be to the left and slightly below J27, on the very bottom edge of the motherboard. > Further >about memory voltages: how would I go about finding out which voltage my >memory uses? Is it safe to start with 3 volt and if thing don't work, go to >5V? > >Any help appreciated. > >-aram Bob -- Bob Peterson BBS Dialup: 972 403 9406 to 53333 (V.34/X2/V.90) peterson mail.zgnews.com BBS Telnet: bbs.zgnews.com Web: www.zgnews.com
Subject: 1836DLUAN sleep and suspend under Win98 From: "Jerry Schlei" win.bright.net> Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 12:54:06 -0600 My Thunder 100 will not suspend or sleep under Win 98. I have ACPI installed and have all the latest drivers from MS The monitors power down but the machine will not enter standby mode when set in the control panel. Question: Will my machine standby or sleep under Win 98 or not? If so where are my resources to get it working?
Subject: ACPI Fan Problem w/ S1836 DULAN & Windows 98 From: "Andrew Manore" earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 14:12:23 -0500 I am having a problem with the cooling fans in my system running under Windows 98 and ACPI. The problem occurs after I press the power button to suspend the computer. The hard disk is stopped, and I believe that all major components are powered down, including the CPU fan and another fan mounted on the chassises. When I press the power button to "wake" the computer, I notice that these two fans do not start up again. This obviously leads to dangerously high temperatures around the processor. Before this problem started, I performed a BIOS flash upgrade to a newer version (AMI BIOS v1.16a for the Tyan Thunder 100). After restarting, Windows 98 detected and set up an "ACPI Fan", which does not appear in the Device Manager. There is an option in the BIOS configuration which turns the fan off when the system is suspended, however, disabling this has no effect. Does anyone know how to remedy this? System Configuration: Tyan S1836DLUAN Thunder 100 Motherboard -100 mhz bus speed. Pentium II CPU 450 mhz 128 MB's of 100mhz SDRAM STB Velocity 4400 AGP Video Card Western Digital 6.4 GB Hard Disk Creative Labs 32x CD-ROM Thanks in advance for any assistance. -- Andrew Manore http://home.earthlink.net/~manorea E-Mail: manorea earthlink.net PGP Keys: 0xCE209032 and 0x165DF309 "Fogger" on IRC, ICQ and The Palace
Subject: Re: s1836dlu overclocking From: "William Kwiecinski" rockland.net> Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 23:30:42 GMT I doubt that Tyan considers this a problem since overclocking is only for experimentation as far as they are concerned. my opinion is that they figure anyone that wants to bypass the message is no longer using it for testing or evaluation. they probably did it to save on warrantying boards. 8^) Jerry Schlei wrote in message <36b9e72d.0 news.direcpc.com>... >I noticed the same behavior. Overclocking my 1836 to 448MHz seems to work >well but the message is annoying. Where is the official site for notifyingy >Tyan of the problem? > >William Kwiecinski rockland.net> wrote in message >news:F6Lu77.JKy news2.new-york.net... >>has anyone noticed that if you set ver1.16a BIOS for disabling the OC >>warning that it sets the processor to default bus while operating. I was >>running WinTune 98 after disabling the message and the scores for my 333 >>reverted to normal and was reported at 333 mhz. so I figured I'd try going >>for 100 fsb reported 500mhz at boot and actually ran Win98 which it >>wouldn't even get close to with message enabled. anyone want to guess what >>it scored with WinTune at these settings? cute little trick Tyan 8^)
Subject: Re: s1836dlu overclocking From: eyewatch onramp.net (eyewatch) Date: Fri, 05 Feb 1999 01:00:56 GMT On Thu, 4 Feb 1999 12:29:44 -0600, "Jerry Schlei" win.bright.net> wrote: >I noticed the same behavior. Overclocking my 1836 to 448MHz seems to work >well but the message is annoying. Where is the official site for notifyingy >Tyan of the problem? I wouldn't bother if I where you, the new bios let's you turn the message off but cycles the CPU back DOWN to what your true CPU speed is even though the boot up screen indicates the Overclocked speed. Guess Tyan thought noone would be smart enough to do a couple of benchmarks just to verify the actual speed of the CPU. Pretty lame Tyan, guess we actually STILL DON"T HAVE a way to disable the stupid message no other manufacterer seems to bother with. Anyone have a Mr. Bios patch that would fix this. Seems like second party flash will be our best bet.
Subject: Thunder 100 standby problem From: "Jerry Schlei" win.bright.net> Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 18:45:05 -0600 Tyan Product - Thunder 100 Operating System and Version - Win 98 with all updates and fixes BIOS Revision - latest BIOS from Tyan A list of controller cards installed in your system (such as sound, video, HDD controllers) DirecPC interface, Courier V.everything v.34 modem, 2 accelstar II graphics cards (1 PCI and 1 AGP) The problem: My Thunder 100 will not suspend or sleep under Win 98 under software control. It will sleep when I push the ON/Off switch but will not awaken. I have ACPI installed and enabled in the BIOS. APM is disabled in the BIOS and I have all the latest Windows 98 drivers from MS. The monitors power down but the machine will not enter standby mode when set in the Windows power management control panel. Question: Will my machine standby or sleep under Win 98 or not? If so where are my resources to get it working? Contact information Jerry Schlei 715-822-3710 or jschlei win.bright.net
Subject: 1836DLUAN NT 4SP4 and TYNBMNT4.SYS BSOD From: antispam home.com> Date: Sat, 06 Feb 1999 20:01:18 GMT I consistently get a blue screen of death with the message: *** STOP: 0x0000000A (0x00147AC0, 0x0000000A, 0x00000001, 0x80014BF0) IRQL_NOT_LESS_OR_EQUAL *** Address 80014bf has base at 80012000 - TYNBMNT4.SYS Could this be a bug in the Bus Master driver from tyan? My system is a 1836DLUAN NT 4SP4 with dual Pentium II 350Mhz processors. Thanks in advance, -Chip
Subject: Re: 1836DLUAN NT 4SP4 and TYNBMNT4.SYS BSOD From: "Edmund Landgraf" nospam.ispchannel.com> Date: Sat, 6 Feb 1999 16:26:33 -0500 I had this problem. I believe it was a problem letting the serial and parallel ports be set to Auto, or disabling the second serial port (can't remember). Try setting these to their normal values (IRQ 3, 03f8, etc.) and see if that helps. Also try disabling the Assign IRQ to Video Card. Your video will look bad until you revert but if you boot you know that may be the problem. Also, the DLUAN has the SCSI hardwired for IRQ10, the same IRQ my Canopus Spectra 2500 is hardwired to. You should make sure that you have the equivlent of IRQ steering enables on your board and your SCSI drivers are the latest. (check the system, include HAL resources) Good luck, -Ed antispam wrote in message <36BC9FEB.6683EBFC home.com>... >I consistently get a blue screen of death with the message: > >*** STOP: 0x0000000A (0x00147AC0, 0x0000000A, 0x00000001, 0x80014BF0) >IRQL_NOT_LESS_OR_EQUAL *** Address 80014bf has base at 80012000 - >TYNBMNT4.SYS > > >Could this be a bug in the Bus Master driver from tyan? > >My system is a 1836DLUAN NT 4SP4 with dual Pentium II 350Mhz processors. > >Thanks in advance, > >-Chip
Subject: Re: 1836DLUAN NT 4SP4 and TYNBMNT4.SYS BSOD From: 3mil my-dejanews.com Date: Sat, 06 Feb 1999 22:03:16 GMT Hi, > I consistently get a blue screen of death with the message: > *** STOP: 0x0000000A (0x00147AC0, 0x0000000A, 0x00000001, 0x80014BF0) > IRQL_NOT_LESS_OR_EQUAL *** Address 80014bf has base at 80012000 - > TYNBMNT4.SYS > > Could this be a bug in the Bus Master driver from tyan? No, It isn't. I am using S1696 (DUAL)/ S1836 (SINGLE) with NT4 SERVER (BUILD 1381) + SP4 with TYNBMNT4.SYS with extreme satisfaction and NOT A SINGLE CRASH. (I've never seen a "blue screen of death" to be sincere ;) ). Anyway the solution to your problem must be simple : an IRQ conflict? What other drivers have you installed? Have you actually ENABLED the Bus Mastering via BIOS? Could it be a problem with your HDD (rare!)? GOOD LUCK! (Re-Install everything if you can't solve it, everything could be born under a new light) In the meanwhile I MUST FIND A SOLUTION TO MY VIDEO QUALITY PROBLEM ON THE S1696 (see my previous post...) See you, Gianluca (hey, Install the TYNBMNT4.SYS AFTER the SP4) Official address - sunflux geocities.com
Subject: Re: Overclocking 1836DLUAN Thunder 100 From: Donald Lyon home.com> Date: Sat, 06 Feb 1999 20:44:07 GMT This should work. I'm overclocking two PII 300's to 450 on the 1836DLU . The latet BIOS allows you to change your bus speeds to various settings. I'm running NT SP3 and it's been stable as a rock. A little loud though since both CPUs have two fans each. Jerry Schlei wrote: > Is it possible to overclock a 1836DLUAN Thunder 100 with a 400MHZ pentium > II?. I would like to go to 450MHZ if possible.,
Subject: Re: Overclocking 1836DLUAN Thunder 100 From: "Jerry Schlei" win.bright.net> Date: Sat, 6 Feb 1999 16:04:40 -0600 Yes this does work, but the latest BIOS allows you to shut off the overclocking warning. If you do that, the bus speed returns to the default. So if you want to overclock, you have to put up with the warning. Donald Lyon home.com> wrote in message news:36BCA963.811613FB home.com... >This should work. I'm overclocking two PII 300's to 450 on the 1836DLU . >The latet BIOS allows you to change your bus speeds to various settings. I'm >running NT SP3 and it's been stable as a rock. A little loud though since >both CPUs have two fans each.
Subject: Re: Overclocking 1836DLUAN Thunder 100 From: bobcatou mindspring.com (Bryan Cady) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 07:00:32 GMT Definately can. Maximum PC brags about it in their Sept. 98 issue. The use it for their "Dream Machine" BC bobcatou mindspring.com
Subject: WinNt not installing/booting (SCSI, S1836DLUAN) From: "Robert Dannbauer" workmail.com> Date: Sun, 7 Feb 1999 15:34:20 +0100 The installation on NT works without problems until rebooting and starting the installation part from the HD. Correct Adaptec 78xx drivers are installed. When rebooting, a 'black' screen appears, Trap 0000000E, Page Fault (I think it simply means that NT could not find the HD for booting). Booting from an EIDE drive works without any problems, the SCSI disks are visible and work. Any ideas??! Thanks, RD
Subject: Re: WinNt not installing/booting (SCSI, S1836DLUAN) From: zbang saltmine.radix.net (Carl Zwanzig) Date: 7 Feb 1999 14:26:16 -0500 Robert Dannbauer workmail.com> wrote: >The installation on NT works without problems until rebooting and >starting the installation part from the HD. Correct Adaptec 78xx drivers >are installed. >When rebooting, a 'black' screen appears, Trap 0000000E, Page >Fault (I think it simply means that NT could not find the HD for booting). > >Booting from an EIDE drive works without any problems, the SCSI disks >are visible and work. > >Any ideas??! Is the bios set to boot the scsi drive? Does the scsi adapter think that it's bootable? (enable "int 13"??, check the adaptec doc) Does the scsi bios show up on boot, and does it list the drive? Also, try disabling both the external and internal caches until the install process is complete (that's, what, 2 or 3 reboots). The install runs like a slug, but usually works. z!
Subject: Re: WinNt not installing/booting (SCSI, S1836DLUAN) From: zbang saltmine.radix.net (Carl Zwanzig) Date: 8 Feb 1999 12:15:47 -0500 Ah, you hadn't mentioned running nt50b on it. I think that the release notes say not to install 4.0 over 5.0 without formatting the drive first. I remember also that installing 4.0 release over 4.0 beta was a real &$#*^%. The beta left some junk in the system cmos scratch area that the release version didn't like. SOmething like that. Also, watch out for the adaptec drivers. I've had problems with system lockup on my servers under high load. High is relative here.... it wasn't really that high. I've removed all server data disks from the adaptec host adapters, replaced with a RAID system from Storage Dimensions. After that, the random hangs ceased. z! David Jirón ix.netcom.com> wrote: >I was installing NT4.0 on a machine with an Adaptec 2940U2W directly from >CD-ROM and it died midway also (it gave me the more common blue-screen). I >had previously setup NT 5.0 Beta on this machine, so I knew the hardware was >OK. > >I got it to work by installing NT from floppies and hand-feeding it the SCSI >drivers (from the ADPT provided floppies) when it begins searching for >storage devices. > >-Dave
Subject: S1836, 1.16 BIOS, MPS 1.4, and strange IRQ listing with WinNT diagnostics From: jmestes xspammediaone.net (James M. Estes) Date: Tue, 09 Feb 1999 02:27:13 GMT I have the S1836 (BX) with dual P400, NT 4 SP4. All the PCI slots and 1 ISA slot are occupied and the system is working fine. Expansion slots include AGP Millenium G200, Adaptec 2940UW, Diamond Voodoo2 card, WinTV card, Miro DC30, second PCI NIC, and a modem (ISA). Since I installed the new BIOS 1.16 and enabled MPS 1.4 (instead of 1.1) I have made a strange observation. When I list the IRQ resources using Windows NT Diagnostics, instead of values 1-15, I get values 1-128. Is this a new "feature" or anomaly?? Thanks in advance. Jim
Subject: Re: S1836, 1.16 BIOS, MPS 1.4, and strange IRQ listing with WinNT diagnostics From: bergmania my-dejanews.com Date: Tue, 09 Feb 1999 21:09:49 GMT In article <36bf9ad2.1628937 news.ne.mediaone.net>, jmestes xspammediaone.net (James M. Estes) wrote: > I have the S1836 (BX) with dual P400, NT 4 SP4. All the PCI slots and > 1 ISA slot are occupied and the system is working fine. Expansion > slots include AGP Millenium G200, Adaptec 2940UW, Diamond Voodoo2 > card, WinTV card, Miro DC30, second PCI NIC, and a modem (ISA). > > Since I installed the new BIOS 1.16 and enabled MPS 1.4 (instead of > 1.1) I have made a strange observation. When I list the IRQ resources > using Windows NT Diagnostics, instead of values 1-15, I get values > 1-128. Is this a new "feature" or anomaly?? > > Thanks in advance. > > Jim > Then you havn't clicked in "Include HAL resources" :-).. As far as I know, WinNT have "virtual" IRQ's (the HAL manages em) and isn't limited to the 15 like Win95 but as we all know soundcards manage to collide anyway. On my NT4sp4 Ive got IRQs up to 255.. and mostly "MPS 1.4 - APIC platform"'s.. BTW.. on my old machine (A Asus TX97-E Mobo with NT server sp4) it lists 50 IRQs.. so I wouldn't lie awake at night wondering about it... Heheh.. Dan Bergman
Subject: Re: S1836DLUAN From: Norbert Goebel uni-duesseldorf.de> Date: Tue, 09 Feb 1999 21:47:26 +0100 > Randy wrote: > > My S1836DLUAN will not load an OS. It passes all the POST tests but > will not load DOS, Windows98 or Win95 from floppy, IDE HD or SCSI HD. > Any suggestions? BTW, I have individually and collectively disabled > the sound, lan, scsi and secondary PCI with the same results - no OS > loading! I have used both the 'optimum' and 'default' settings of the > BIOS. So what's going on here? What else is there left to try or > modify or tweak? Has anyone else seen this problem? > > Randy > What is your Bios version, what other hardware do you have installed? Did you try the failsafe options in the BIOS? What error do you get or when does booting stop with which OS? Norbert
Subject: S1836DLUAN From: "Patrick de Jong" zeelandnet.nl> Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 21:14:35 +0200 Hi everyone, I'm just wondering what the highest P-III I can use on my S1836DLUAN. The Tyan website says it's a PIII-600 Katmai, but i thought the multipliers and stuff were locked on P-III and if that's the case, then I could use like 800+ Mhz models? Correct me if i'm wrong, please... Patrick
Subject: Re: S1836DLUAN From: sdo_NOSPAM nospam.visi.com Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 19:21:27 GMT Patrick de Jong zeelandnet.nl> wrote: > I'm just wondering what the highest P-III I can use on my S1836DLUAN. The > Tyan website says it's a PIII-600 Katmai, but i thought the multipliers and > stuff were locked on P-III and if that's the case, then I could use like > 800+ Mhz models? > Correct me if i'm wrong, please... Well, since the highest speed Katmai's that I ever heard of were the 600 MHz versions, I think the website's probably right (barring adding support for Coppermine's in a new version of the BIOS). Scott
Subject: Re: Vibra upgrade for Thunder 100 From: sratakeo aol.comdie (SRATakeo) Date: 9 Feb 1999 21:13:45 GMT Actually you might want to consider the Ensoniq/Creative SB PCI 64, it sounds as good as the AWE64 and runs on PCI bus.
Subject: Would it be overkill to for me to get the Tyan S1836DLUAN From: bobcatou mindspring.com (Bryan Cady) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 07:32:20 GMT I am planning on upgrading/building a new computer very soon. My purpose for this is ... 1 To get a faster machine. 2. To teach myself about Networking so to take several MCP exams. I will run NT 4 on this at some point of course Now I want my motherboard to be a dual P2 board. so in the future I can add another processor. I already though have an UltraWideSCSI card and sound card. My question being, should I splurge on this preemo board or look for something cheaper? How much better off would I be getting this board. I will still have my 200mhz Pent. 1 computer connecting to this and at some point I plan to get a cheap motherboard and put an old 133 processor in that I have laying around if these last two things are even pertinant. Also, I always here that you should get Mboards without onboard equipment, eg, soundcard,network and such because they conflict too much and are a pain to disable. Do you find this true. Thanks Bryan Cady bobcatou mindspring.com
Subject: Re: Would it be overkill to for me to get the Tyan S1836DLUAN From: "Robert Dannbauer" psp-vie.be.philips.com> Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 09:04:20 +0100 Read my other posting and you know everything about the overkill... BUT:I still thing the 1836DLUAN is a great board. Disabling the onboard devices is a one jumper/device thing, so it should be really easy. Hope you have more luck with your board, Bye, Robert
Subject: CPU Temps on 1836DLUAN From: "mcm" bigfoot.com> Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 07:58:18 -0000 Firstly I would lke to thank everyone for all of the help I have received (directly and indirectly) on this group. Guess with you lot around Tyan could be excused for thinking they might not need a tech support....... I have, what I hope is a simple question. Just configured an 1836DLUAN, 1.16 bios, NT4.0 service release 4, dual 400Mhz PII.and installed the Intenl Landesk. Now, both the bios and landesk only report a single CPU temperature. Should I see a separate temp for each cpu? If not, what does the reported temp apply to? many thanks, Martin
Subject: Re: CPU Temps on 1836DLUAN From: "William Kwiecinski" rockland.net> Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 23:49:02 GMT make sure you set the LM75 chip settings to read address 4 for CPU1 and address 5 for CPU2. you should get 2 readings then. mcm wrote in message >Chris, > >Thanks for the suggestion about hmonitor - I have tried it and this also >does not give me the cpu temperatures - only the mainboard temp. > >Am I correct in assuming that I should be able to see the cpu temps with >this board? Is there anything specific to the cpu's that would >enable/disable this feature? Any jumpers to set? any additional h/w to >install? > >any comments most welcome, > >thanks, >
Subject: Re: CPU Temps on 1836DLUAN From: "Martin C Moss" bigfoot.com> Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 07:08:49 -0000 Tried that, still no joy, thanks, Martin William Kwiecinski wrote in message ... >make sure you set the LM75 chip settings to read address 4 for CPU1 and >address 5 for CPU2. you should get 2 readings then. >
Subject: Re: CPU Temps on 1836DLUAN From: "Robert Kemery" stratos.net> Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 11:52:34 -0500 is it possible that when you installed landesk that you chose the wrong hardware configuration.?.....i have a single cpu setup and i accidentally chose the dual cpu software and it said i had 2 cpu's........just a thought mcm wrote in message >Firstly I would lke to thank everyone for all of the help I have received >(directly and indirectly) on this group. Guess with you lot around Tyan >could be excused for thinking they might not need a tech support....... > >I have, what I hope is a simple question. > >Just configured an 1836DLUAN, 1.16 bios, NT4.0 service release 4, dual >400Mhz PII.and installed the Intenl Landesk. > >Now, both the bios and landesk only report a single CPU temperature. > >Should I see a separate temp for each cpu? If not, what does the reported >temp apply to? > >many thanks, > >Martin > >
Subject: S1836 SCSI/NT4 Install problem From: "Robert Dannbauer" psp-vie.be.philips.com> Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 08:59:44 +0100 After 5 days of trying to install WinNT on 2 different SCSI disks it still doesn't work... Here is my configuration: S1836DLUAN Bios 1.16 SCSI Bios 1.32, latest drivers from tyan disk and from Adaptec WinNT4 English SCSI CD-Rom on channel A, terminated SCSI Disk on channel B, ID 0, terminated (tried two different disks) SCSI bios is set to boot the SCSI disk (Channel B, device 0) AMI Bios is selected to boot SCSI SCSI Bios installs correctly and schow all SCSI devices What I CAN do: Booting from an IDE drive if I put it in, SCSI disks and WinNT work without any problem Booting Win98 from the SCSI disk, but only in safe mode - bootlog.txt shows a problem with the SCSI drivers Installing WinNT from disks. SCSI install seems to be OK, but the first reboot from the HD will fail. What I CAN'T do: Booting WinNT from a SCSI disk. The WinNT Boot Manager will come up, the "NTDetect checking HW..." will show up, then the screen get's black, some HD and CD-Rom activity is visible and then the system stops. After approx. 30 seconds a text screen shows up: "OS Loader V4.00 Windows NT could not start because of a computer disk config. problem...could not read from the selected boot disk...check boot path and disk HW..." I have no more ideas what can be wrong, do you have any? Thanks, Robert
Subject: Re: S1836 SCSI/NT4 Install problem From: "mcm" bigfoot.com> Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 08:10:06 -0000 The default driver that comes with NT4 is not compatible with the SCSI on the board. You should be OK installing from floppy, but the I found that the floppies could not see my CD drive (SCSI also!) The way I got round it was to copy the CD to the hard disk (configured with a DOS partition) and then replace the NT scsi drivers with the ones from the tyan CD (they have the same name) and then ran the installation directly from the HD. hope this helps, Martin Robert Dannbauer wrote in message <918633584.938459 dibbs1.at.cis.philips.com>... >After 5 days of trying to install WinNT on 2 different SCSI disks it still >doesn't work... > >Here is my configuration: >S1836DLUAN Bios 1.16 >SCSI Bios 1.32, latest drivers from tyan disk and from Adaptec >WinNT4 English >SCSI CD-Rom on channel A, terminated >SCSI Disk on channel B, ID 0, terminated (tried two different disks) >SCSI bios is set to boot the SCSI disk (Channel B, device 0) >AMI Bios is selected to boot SCSI >SCSI Bios installs correctly and schow all SCSI devices > >What I CAN do: >Booting from an IDE drive if I put it in, SCSI disks and WinNT work without >any problem >Booting Win98 from the SCSI disk, but only in safe mode - bootlog.txt shows >a problem with the SCSI drivers >Installing WinNT from disks. SCSI install seems to be OK, but the first >reboot from the HD will fail. > >What I CAN'T do: >Booting WinNT from a SCSI disk. The WinNT Boot Manager will come up, the >"NTDetect checking HW..." will show up, then the screen get's black, some HD >and CD-Rom activity is visible and then the system stops. After approx. 30 >seconds a text screen shows up: "OS Loader V4.00 Windows NT could not start >because of a computer disk config. problem...could not read from the >selected boot disk...check boot path and disk HW..." > >I have no more ideas what can be wrong, do you have any? > >Thanks, Robert > >
Subject: Re: S1836 SCSI/NT4 Install problem From: "Robert Dannbauer" psp-vie.be.philips.com> Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 09:35:04 +0100 Don't think that's the problem, because this part of the installation runs without any problem, and during the install the CD-Rom is visible (I install using the three boot floppies and then from CD). Bye, Robert mcm wrote in message >The default driver that comes with NT4 is not compatible with the SCSI on >the board. You should be OK installing from floppy, but the I found that the >floppies could not see my CD drive (SCSI also!) > >The way I got round it was to copy the CD to the hard disk (configured with >a DOS partition) and then replace the NT scsi drivers with the ones from the >tyan CD (they have the same name) and then ran the installation directly >from the HD. > >hope this helps,
Subject: 1836DLU and Ensoniq AudioPCI card? From: clumber hotbot.com Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 18:11:48 +0000 I'm having a heck of a time getting the above combo to work. I've tried NT4, sp4, Linux, with the 2.2.1 kernel and BeOS. version 4. Each sees the card, and in fact the Creative mixer in NT sees a signal being played by the media player, but nothing comes out. In Linux, when I use the CD play-thru, I see ping times to my system go from 0 or 1ms to 5 or 6ms... but the play-thru works,. I've tried different slots for the card, etc. etc.... any suggestions what else can be done. Oh, if it makes any difference, I am currently running 1 400 MHz PII inthe system, saving for a second processor.... Andy Pierce
Subject: Re: 1836DLU and Ensoniq AudioPCI card? From: sratakeo aol.comdie (SRATakeo) Date: 12 Feb 1999 19:38:34 GMT Which slots have you tried? have you tried slots 1 and 2? The rest of the PCI slots on the board are running off a DEC PCI bridge chip that some components don't like.
Subject: Re: 1836DLU and Ensoniq AudioPCI card? From: "William Taylor" yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 06:29:55 GMT I've tried the AUdioPCI with OK success. Make sure you use PCI slot 1 or 2. Most sound cards will fail in any of 4 the "bridged" slots. The only BIG problem I had with the AudioPCI was that it picked up too much noise from inside the case. I could hear the CDROM motor and disk accesses through the speakers when no sound was playing. I didn't have that problem with an old ISA AWE64 or SBLive Value. WT clumber hotbot.com wrote in message <36C46EE4.7ADB6A41 hotbot.com>... >I'm having a heck of a time getting the above combo to work. I've tried >NT4, sp4, Linux, with the 2.2.1 kernel and BeOS. version 4. Each sees >the card, and in fact the Creative mixer in NT sees a signal being >played by the media player, but nothing comes out. In Linux, when I use >the CD play-thru, I see ping times to my system go from 0 or 1ms to 5 or >6ms... but the play-thru works,. I've tried different slots for the >card, etc. etc.... any suggestions what else can be done. Oh, if it >makes any difference, I am currently running 1 400 MHz PII inthe system, >saving for a second processor.... > >Andy Pierce >
Subject: Re: s1836DLUAN w/ ARO-1130 RAID From: e-lephant b-igpond.com (jason) Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 07:32:13 +1100 Terry writes .. >When you reloaded NT, did you let it use the windows drivers or did you use >the drivers that came with the new raid card. I installed the provided ARO drivers .. I'm not sure if we're on the same track as each other .. my problem isn't with the ARO .. that works flawlessly - my problem is with the AIC I have NT installed on the array .. and the array is working just fine (despite the fact that the OEM put both drives on the same SCSI channel - so my speed is limited) what's not working are other SCSI devices .. ie. the SCSI adapter is not working under NT .. and I get errors every time I try to install the AIC driver (whichever one I try) one of the Adaptec help files that I've had said that I needed to get a BIOS upgrade to at least v1.24 for my AIC-7895 .. they also said that this upgrade was available on their web site .. I've not been able to find it anywhere the shit is that - they said that this upgrade was essential for people using the AIC-7895 and the ARO-1130 if they wanted to be able to use other SCSI devices -- jason - remove all hyphens for email reply -
Subject: Re: s1836DLUAN w/ ARO-1130 RAID From: e-lephant b-igpond.com (jason) Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 07:49:26 +1100 Terry writes .. >I was told by Adaptec support that the ARO-1130CA was for NT Wks and the SA >was for server. I was wanting to implement raid 0/1 on a wks and only the >1130SA supports 0/1. The ARO-1130CA is a cache controller and uses 0 and 1. yeah .. the SA is more geared toward server platforms .. it supports 0/1 and 5 RAID levels (as well as the 0 and 1 levels that the CA supports) it's also got SAF-TE support .. and a bunch of other funkies .. most critically I guess is that the CA only ever says that it supports NT Workstation .. but I know a lot of companies who say that - and I've never found anything that didn't also work on Server - because the two NTs are almost exactly the same - it's usually just a marketing ploy do any of you guys actually have RAID working on your s1836s ? .. and if so - do you also have other SCSI devices working ? -- jason - remove all hyphens for email reply -
Subject: Re: s1836DLUAN w/ ARO-1130 RAID From: "Rick Bowersox" inav.net> Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 14:34:53 -0600 jason wrote in message ... .....> >do any of you guys actually have RAID working on your s1836s ? .. and if >so - do you also have other SCSI devices working ? I have the ARO-1130 CA Raid controller installed in my s1836DLUAN. One channel is driving a raid stripe set and on the second I have a DAT drive connected to the 50 pin connector and have extended the 68 pin connector to the back of my system where I have attached a scanner (both the DAT and scanner are terminated). Everything works just great. Rick Bowersox
Subject: Re: s1836DLUAN w/ ARO-1130 RAID From: e-lephant b-igpond.com (jason) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 08:30:08 +1100 Rick Bowersox writes .. >jason wrote in message ... >>do any of you guys actually have RAID working on your s1836s ? .. and if >>so - do you also have other SCSI devices working ? >I have the ARO-1130 CA Raid controller installed in my s1836DLUAN. One >channel is driving a raid stripe set and on the second I have a DAT drive >connected to the 50 pin connector and have extended the 68 pin connector to >the back of my system where I have attached a scanner (both the DAT and >scanner are terminated). Everything works just great. oh you big tease .. this is exactly what I want to do - except connected to my 50-pin is a ZIP disk .. and I haven't even tried connecting my scanner yet (maybe I should) Rick .. can you tell me what drivers you installed .. have you installed a driver specifically for the 7895 SCSI adapter ? .. or did you simply install the Array1000 software .. and it drives both the 1130 and the 7895 ?? also .. and I ask this with some trepidation .. are you running Workstation - or Server ? one last question .. because each SCSI channel has a 40bit/sec transfer maximum .. wouldn't it be better performance to connect one drive on each channel ? .. ie. wouldn't it be almost double the performance ? .. and if so - would this mean that you would still be able to run your scanner - or does putting the striped disks on a channel close that channel off to other devices ? -- jason - remove all hyphens for email reply -
Subject: Re: s1836DLUAN w/ ARO-1130 RAID From: Larry Leung hklink.net> Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 20:20:29 +0800 Hi, Forget about Tyan if you want to use RAID. What's good in using ARO-1130CA when you only get RAID 0, 1 or 0/1? I run ARO-1130"SA" on a Supermicro P6DBS and it gives me RAID 5. Now I can really sleep sweet dreams with my data sound and safe in my RAID disks. In case you are not aware, NONE of Tyan's M/B with RAID Port support ARO-1130SA. I have confirmed that in person. Not even S1836DLUAN. Tough Luck. Larry jason wrote: > [ item posted to alt.comp.periphs.mainboard.tyan and CCed to Rick > Bowersox ] > > Rick Bowersox writes .. > >jason wrote in message ... > >.....> > >>do any of you guys actually have RAID working on your s1836s ? .. and if > >>so - do you also have other SCSI devices working ? > >> > >I have the ARO-1130 CA Raid controller installed in my s1836DLUAN. One > >channel is driving a raid stripe set and on the second I have a DAT drive > >connected to the 50 pin connector and have extended the 68 pin connector to > >the back of my system where I have attached a scanner (both the DAT and > >scanner are terminated). Everything works just great. > > oh you big tease .. this is exactly what I want to do - except connected > to my 50-pin is a ZIP disk .. and I haven't even tried connecting my > scanner yet (maybe I should) > > Rick .. can you tell me what drivers you installed .. have you installed > a driver specifically for the 7895 SCSI adapter ? .. or did you simply > install the Array1000 software .. and it drives both the 1130 and the > 7895 ?? > > also .. and I ask this with some trepidation .. are you running > Workstation - or Server ? > > one last question .. because each SCSI channel has a 40bit/sec transfer > maximum .. wouldn't it be better performance to connect one drive on each > channel ? .. ie. wouldn't it be almost double the performance ? .. and if > so - would this mean that you would still be able to run your scanner - > or does putting the striped disks on a channel close that channel off to > other devices ? > > -- > jason - remove all hyphens for email reply -
Subject: Re: s1836DLUAN w/ ARO-1130 RAID From: e-lephant b-igpond.com (jason) Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 13:43:50 +1100 Larry Leung writes .. >Forget about Tyan if you want to use RAID. What's good in using ARO-1130CA when >you only get RAID 0, 1 or 0/1? I run ARO-1130"SA" on a Supermicro P6DBS and it >gives me RAID 5. Now I can really sleep sweet dreams with my data sound and safe >in my RAID disks. in 10 years of PCing I've never lost any data .. so RAID-0 suits my needs .. THEREFORE - I bought a s1836DLUAN .. if I'd wanted RAID-5 then I would have bought something else - derr >In case you are not aware, NONE of Tyan's M/B with RAID Port support ARO-1130SA. >I have confirmed that in person. Not even S1836DLUAN. Tough Luck. at the risk of sounding abrupt .. no one like a smart arse Larry .. your post was completely irrelevant to this thread -- jason - remove all hyphens for email reply -
Subject: Re: s1836DLUAN w/ ARO-1130 RAID From: jmmarks my-dejanews.com Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 18:26:42 GMT You can get RAID 5 support on the Tyan S1836DLUAN using ARO-1130 SA but you need Windows NT as your O/S. In article news-server>, e-lephant b-igpond.com (jason) wrote: > Larry Leung writes .. > >Forget about Tyan if you want to use RAID. What's good in using ARO-1130CA when > >you only get RAID 0, 1 or 0/1? I run ARO-1130"SA" on a Supermicro P6DBS and it > >gives me RAID 5. Now I can really sleep sweet dreams with my data sound and safe > >in my RAID disks. > > in 10 years of PCing I've never lost any data .. so RAID-0 suits my needs > .. THEREFORE - I bought a s1836DLUAN .. if I'd wanted RAID-5 then I would > have bought something else - derr > > >In case you are not aware, NONE of Tyan's M/B with RAID Port support ARO-1130SA. > >I have confirmed that in person. Not even S1836DLUAN. Tough Luck. > > at the risk of sounding abrupt .. no one like a smart arse Larry .. your > post was completely irrelevant to this thread > > -- > jason - remove all hyphens for email reply -
Subject: Re: s1836DLUAN w/ ARO-1130 RAID From: Larry Leung hklink.net> Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 20:20:40 +0800 Hi, Forget about Tyan if you want to use RAID. What's good in using ARO-1130CA when you only get RAID 0, 1 or 0/1? I run ARO-1130"SA" on a Supermicro P6DBS and it gives me RAID 5. Now I can really sleep sweet dreams with my data sound and safe in my RAID disks. In case you are not aware, NONE of Tyan's M/B with RAID Port support ARO-1130SA. I have confirmed that in person. Not even S1836DLUAN. Tough Luck. Larry jason wrote: > Rick Bowersox writes .. > >jason wrote in message ... > >.....> > >>do any of you guys actually have RAID working on your s1836s ? .. and if > >>so - do you also have other SCSI devices working ? > >> > >I have the ARO-1130 CA Raid controller installed in my s1836DLUAN. One > >channel is driving a raid stripe set and on the second I have a DAT drive > >connected to the 50 pin connector and have extended the 68 pin connector to > >the back of my system where I have attached a scanner (both the DAT and > >scanner are terminated). Everything works just great. > > oh you big tease .. this is exactly what I want to do - except connected > to my 50-pin is a ZIP disk .. and I haven't even tried connecting my > scanner yet (maybe I should) > > Rick .. can you tell me what drivers you installed .. have you installed > a driver specifically for the 7895 SCSI adapter ? .. or did you simply > install the Array1000 software .. and it drives both the 1130 and the > 7895 ?? > > also .. and I ask this with some trepidation .. are you running > Workstation - or Server ? > > one last question .. because each SCSI channel has a 40bit/sec transfer > maximum .. wouldn't it be better performance to connect one drive on each > channel ? .. ie. wouldn't it be almost double the performance ? .. and if > so - would this mean that you would still be able to run your scanner - > or does putting the striped disks on a channel close that channel off to > other devices ? > > -- > jason - remove all hyphens for email reply -
Subject: Re: s1836DLUAN w/ ARO-1130 RAID From: Larry Leung hklink.net> Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 20:20:50 +0800 Hi, Forget about Tyan if you want to use RAID. What's good in using ARO-1130CA when you only get RAID 0, 1 or 0/1? I run ARO-1130"SA" on a Supermicro P6DBS and it gives me RAID 5. Now I can really sleep sweet dreams with my data sound and safe in my RAID disks. In case you are not aware, NONE of Tyan's M/B with RAID Port support ARO-1130SA. I have confirmed that in person. Not even S1836DLUAN. Tough Luck. Larry jason wrote: > Rick Bowersox writes .. > >jason wrote in message ... > >.....> > >>do any of you guys actually have RAID working on your s1836s ? .. and if > >>so - do you also have other SCSI devices working ? > >> > >I have the ARO-1130 CA Raid controller installed in my s1836DLUAN. One > >channel is driving a raid stripe set and on the second I have a DAT drive > >connected to the 50 pin connector and have extended the 68 pin connector to > >the back of my system where I have attached a scanner (both the DAT and > >scanner are terminated). Everything works just great. > > oh you big tease .. this is exactly what I want to do - except connected > to my 50-pin is a ZIP disk .. and I haven't even tried connecting my > scanner yet (maybe I should) > > Rick .. can you tell me what drivers you installed .. have you installed > a driver specifically for the 7895 SCSI adapter ? .. or did you simply > install the Array1000 software .. and it drives both the 1130 and the > 7895 ?? > > also .. and I ask this with some trepidation .. are you running > Workstation - or Server ? > > one last question .. because each SCSI channel has a 40bit/sec transfer > maximum .. wouldn't it be better performance to connect one drive on each > channel ? .. ie. wouldn't it be almost double the performance ? .. and if > so - would this mean that you would still be able to run your scanner - > or does putting the striped disks on a channel close that channel off to > other devices ? > > -- > jason - remove all hyphens for email reply -
Subject: Re: s1836DLUAN w/ ARO-1130 RAID From: klaas a1.com.au (Klaas Visser) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 23:39:50 GMT On Fri, 19 Feb 1999 20:20:50 +0800, Larry Leung hklink.net> wrote: >Forget about Tyan if you want to use RAID. What's good in using ARO-1130CA when >you only get RAID 0, 1 or 0/1? I run ARO-1130"SA" on a Supermicro P6DBS and it >gives me RAID 5. Now I can really sleep sweet dreams with my data sound and safe >in my RAID disks. Larry, Different people have different requirements. I mess with large image files (25MB +), and prefer the high i/o path that striping gives me. I don't need high availability, so regular tape backups take care of my data safety. Adaptec list the follow possible uses for the different levels: Level 0 (striping) Any application which requires very high speed storage, but does not need redundancy. Level 1 (mirroring) Applications which require redundancy with fast random writes; entry-level systems where only two drives are available. Small file servers are an example. Level 4 (parity) Applications which require redundancy at low cost, or with high-speed reads. This is good for archival storage. Larger file servers are an example. Level 5 (distributed parity) Similar to level 4, but may provide higher performance if most I/O is random and in small chunks. Database servers are an example. Naturally, I'm not claiming right or wrong, just different. cheers Klaas Visser Sydney, Australia "If all men are created equal, then where's my Porsche??"
Subject: Re: s1836DLUAN w/ ARO-1130 RAID From: lucas internetmci.com Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 13:39:24 GMT e-lephant b-igpond.com (jason) wrote: > > do any of you guys actually have RAID working on your s1836s ? .. and if > so - do you also have other SCSI devices working ? > > -- > jason - remove all hyphens for email reply - > I've got the following working for several months, except for the zip drive. Adaptec claims zip is a known issue, and recommended not using it with 1130SA. Configuration: Tyan s1836DLUAN MB w/ AMI BIOS revision 1.07 graphical Dual Pentium II 450's 512 MB PC100 CAS2 SDRAM (4 DIMM's) Matrox Millenium G200 AGP Video Card Adaptec ARO-1130SA RAID Option Card NT Server 4 SP4 IDE disabled, no IDE devices SCSI Configuration: SCSI Channel A (50 pin connector) SCSI ID 1 - Plextor 12PLEX CDROM SCSI ID 3 - HP SureStor 24i DAT Tape Drive SCSI ID 5 - IOMEGA ZIP PC100 Termination: All channel A devices are unterminated, end of ribbon cable is actively terminated SCSI Channel A (68 pin connector) No devices attached SCSI Channel B (68 pin connector) SCSI ID 4 - Segate Cheetah 4LP (ST34501W) SCSI ID 5 - Segate Cheetah 4LP (ST34501W) SCSI ID 6 - Segate Cheetah 4LP (ST34501W) The Cheetah drives are members of a RAID 5 array NTFS Partioned with (1) 3MB Partition (Drive C:) and (1) 5MB Partition (Drive D:). When the system boots all devices are listed during Array1000 initialization (including zip drive). No zip in NT. -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own
Subject: Re: s1836DLUAN w/ ARO-1130 RAID From: e-lephant b-igpond.com (elephant) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 10:32:39 +1100 lucas internetmci.com writes .. >I've got the following working for several months, except for the zip drive. >Adaptec claims zip is a known issue, and recommended not using it with 1130SA. > >Configuration: > >Tyan s1836DLUAN MB w/ AMI BIOS revision 1.07 graphical >Dual Pentium II 450's >512 MB PC100 CAS2 SDRAM (4 DIMM's) >Matrox Millenium G200 AGP Video Card >Adaptec ARO-1130SA RAID Option Card >NT Server 4 SP4 thank-you thank-you thank-you .. the Adaptec bugger that I spoke to just told me to contact either Tyan or my supplier .. had he just said - Zip Drive is a known issue with the 1130 then I would have done months ago what I'm about to do get a PCI Promise SCSI Adapter w/ a 50pin and a 68-pin external (also a 68pin internal .. but only one channel - so either internal or external) and run my Zip and Scanner on that - rather than on the AIC-7895 btw - Lucas .. in NT using your Millenium G200 (also my graphics card) does OpenGL (specifically the OpenGL screen savers) work for you ? .. or is it grainy and distorted ? I've not been able to get it working properly -- jason - remove all hyphens for email reply -
Subject: Re: s1836DLUAN w/ ARO-1130 RAID From: "Terry" ameritech.net> Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 21:11:21 -0500 If you have the ARO up and running and the array is working, does the CD-ROM or other devices show up in the array management software? If your hard disks are on channel A and the other devices are on B and they are not displayed then there is probably a termination problem. Are you using the 50 pin port or the 68 pin B channel for the other devices? There is a problem with the ARO and the 7895 drivers, aren't the 7895 drivers for a 3940? I know you can not upgrade an ARO-1130CA raid controller by adding another 3940. Something about them trying to use the same resources. jason wrote in message ... >Terry writes .. >>When you reloaded NT, did you let it use the windows drivers or did you use >>the drivers that came with the new raid card. > >I installed the provided ARO drivers .. I'm not sure if we're on the same >track as each other .. my problem isn't with the ARO .. that works >flawlessly - my problem is with the AIC > >I have NT installed on the array .. and the array is working just fine >(despite the fact that the OEM put both drives on the same SCSI channel - >so my speed is limited) > >what's not working are other SCSI devices .. ie. the SCSI adapter is not >working under NT .. and I get errors every time I try to install the AIC >driver (whichever one I try) > >one of the Adaptec help files that I've had said that I needed to get a >BIOS upgrade to at least v1.24 for my AIC-7895 .. they also said that >this upgrade was available on their web site .. I've not been able to >find it anywhere > >the shit is that - they said that this upgrade was essential for people >using the AIC-7895 and the ARO-1130 if they wanted to be able to use >other SCSI devices > >-- > jason - remove all hyphens for email reply -
Subject: Re: s1836DLUAN w/ ARO-1130 RAID From: e-lephant b-igpond.com (jason) Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 13:27:00 +1100 Terry writes .. >If you have the ARO up and running and the array is working, does the >CD-ROM or other devices show up in the array management software? no .. only the two disks show up in the array software .. I haven't been able to install the SCSI driver .. only the array driver (btw .. the CD- ROM is an ATAPI .. it's just the ZIP disk that's on the SCSI chain) >If your hard disks are on channel A and the other devices are on B and they >are not displayed then there is probably a termination problem. Are you >using the 50 pin port or the 68 pin B channel for the other devices? I can't even install the 7895 drivers .. let alone start looking for the SCSI devices attached to it - or are you implying that I only need to install the raid software and that will handle the SCSI devices as well ? the ZIP disk was installed on the same channel as the two drives .. should it be on the other channel ? >There is a problem with the ARO and the 7895 drivers, aren't the 7895 >drivers for a 3940? I know you can not upgrade an ARO-1130CA raid >controller by adding another 3940. Something about them trying to use the >same resources. I have all the latest 7895 drivers .. and I've tried installing them all .. at no time has NT been able to find the AIC-7895 controller .. it looks for it but is unable to detect it -- jason - remove all hyphens for email reply -
Subject: Re: s1836DLUAN w/ ARO-1130 RAID From: klaas a1.com.au (Klaas Visser) Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 06:53:55 GMT On Sat, 13 Feb 1999 13:27:00 +1100, e-lephant b-igpond.com (jason) wrote: >I have all the latest 7895 drivers .. and I've tried installing them all >.. at no time has NT been able to find the AIC-7895 controller .. it >looks for it but is unable to detect it Jason, I'm running NT WKS with an ARO-1130CA, with only disks attached. However, what I understand from the docs, is that the Array driver (cda1000.sys) looks after all devices on the onboard SCSI channels (although it doesn't say anything about ZIP drives, it mentions CDroms, scanners, tapes, etc). If I understand your earlier posts, during system startup, the BIOS reports the RAIDport installation, then lists the two hard drives, and the zip drive as attached, but once you're into NT, you can't see the zip drive? I would definitely check termination (is the zip at the end of the chain?) or try it on the other channel, if it isn't used, and install/run the RAID card management software. Also, further to Terry's comment on the additional 3940 problem - there are two driver disks supplied with the hardware, and you run a utility off a boot disk to identify which one you need. If it is disk B, you cannot add an additional 3940 - this is specifically mentioned in the docs, as due to PCI ID conflicts. BTW the -CA flavour is definitely designated for use with NT Workstation. What I have done to ensure good bus utilisation, and to keep the configurationsane, is to install an additional AHA2940, for my CDrom, Jaz, DLT, and Scanner, so that onboard channels have only the five disks (I've set up stripe sets for high i/o). You may want to consider installing a second card for your zip drive. None of this probably helps your current problem, but hopefully may clarify things. Klaas Visser Sydney, Australia "If all men are created equal, then where's my Porsche??"
Subject: Re: s1836DLUAN w/ ARO-1130 RAID From: e-lephant b-igpond.com (jason) Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 22:45:39 +1100 [ item posted to alt.comp.periphs.mainboard.tyan and CCed to Klaas Visser ] Klaas Visser writes .. >I'm running NT WKS with an ARO-1130CA, with only disks attached. >However, what I understand from the docs, is that the Array driver >(cda1000.sys) looks after all devices on the onboard SCSI channels >(although it doesn't say anything about ZIP drives, it mentions >CDroms, scanners, tapes, etc). hmm .. so I presume that you have only installed the array family software .. and - not a specific driver for the SCSI adapter ? >If I understand your earlier posts, during system startup, the BIOS >reports the RAIDport installation, then lists the two hard drives, and >the zip drive as attached, but once you're into NT, you can't see the >zip drive? I would definitely check termination (is the zip at the >end of the chain?) or try it on the other channel, if it isn't used, >and install/run the RAID card management software. ok .. I will try those things .. don't know much about termination - only new to this whole SCSI deal (feel like an idiot to be honest) but I'm sure that my supplier can help perhaps you're right about putting the ZIP disk on the other SCSI channel .. but I gathered from the array software doco that you can run any device on any channel in any combination with the array disks .. so maybe that all points at the termination being the problem >Also, further to Terry's comment on the additional 3940 problem - >there are two driver disks supplied with the hardware, and you run a >utility off a boot disk to identify which one you need. If it is disk >B, you cannot add an additional 3940 - this is specifically mentioned >in the docs, as due to PCI ID conflicts. well .. it was disk A .. but I don't know what a 3940 is anyway - and I'm pretty sure that I don't have an additional one - but in any case - my utility told me to use DiskA (which I did) >BTW the -CA flavour is definitely designated for use with NT >Workstation. see - software is much more my thing that this hardware caper .. and I've worked pretty closely with NT (WS and Server) .. and I can confidently say that there really isn't any difference in the HALs of each >What I have done to ensure good bus utilisation, and to keep the >configurationsane, is to install an additional AHA2940, for my >CDrom, Jaz, DLT, and Scanner, so that onboard channels have only the >five disks (I've set up stripe sets for high i/o). You may want to >consider installing a second card for your zip drive. yeah .. this was the evil that I've been trying to avoid .. although perhaps if the problem is actually that the ZIP can't live on the same channel as the array then I'll have to install an additional card .. I say this because although both disks are on the same channel at the moment .. that's clearly not the best performance - and I will be changing it over as soon as I'm confident with my knowledge of this whole deal >None of this probably helps your current problem, but hopefully may >clarify things. all information is helpful .. at least you've given me a few things to try .. thanks for taking the time to go through my post and make these suggestions -- jason - remove all hyphens for email reply -
Subject: Re: s1836DLUAN w/ ARO-1130 RAID From: "Terry" ameritech.net> Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 08:56:12 -0500 I believe you will get faster performance of the SCSI bus if you separate the high I/O devices from the slower ones. Leave your Hard disk drives as is but terminate the last one and then put your Zip drive on the 50 pin SCSI Connector on board and use the Iomega SCSI terminator that came with the the SCSI drive. Iomega has real problems sharing SCSI bus with other devices. I have a SCSI Jaz drive installed on a S1696 and it works fine by itself on my 50 pin port. jason wrote in message ... >ok .. I will try those things .. don't know much about termination - only >new to this whole SCSI deal (feel like an idiot to be honest) but I'm >sure that my supplier can help > >perhaps you're right about putting the ZIP disk on the other SCSI channel >.. but I gathered from the array software doco that you can run any >device on any channel in any combination with the array disks .. so maybe >that all points at the termination being the problem > >>Also, further to Terry's comment on the additional 3940 problem - >>there are two driver disks supplied with the hardware, and you run a >>utility off a boot disk to identify which one you need. If it is disk >>B, you cannot add an additional 3940 - this is specifically mentioned >>in the docs, as due to PCI ID conflicts. > >well .. it was disk A .. but I don't know what a 3940 is anyway - and I'm >pretty sure that I don't have an additional one - but in any case - my >utility told me to use DiskA (which I did) > >>BTW the -CA flavour is definitely designated for use with NT >>Workstation. > >see - software is much more my thing that this hardware caper .. and I've >worked pretty closely with NT (WS and Server) .. and I can confidently >say that there really isn't any difference in the HALs of each > >>What I have done to ensure good bus utilisation, and to keep the >>configurationsane, is to install an additional AHA2940, for my >>CDrom, Jaz, DLT, and Scanner, so that onboard channels have only the >>five disks (I've set up stripe sets for high i/o). You may want to >>consider installing a second card for your zip drive. > >yeah .. this was the evil that I've been trying to avoid .. although >perhaps if the problem is actually that the ZIP can't live on the same >channel as the array then I'll have to install an additional card .. I >say this because although both disks are on the same channel at the >moment .. that's clearly not the best performance - and I will be >changing it over as soon as I'm confident with my knowledge of this whole >deal > >>None of this probably helps your current problem, but hopefully may >>clarify things. > >all information is helpful .. at least you've given me a few things to >try .. thanks for taking the time to go through my post and make these >suggestions > >-- > jason - remove all hyphens for email reply -
Subject: Re: s1836DLUAN w/ ARO-1130 RAID From: e-lephant b-igpond.com (jason) Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 11:16:25 +1100 Terry writes .. >I believe you will get faster performance of the SCSI bus if you separate >the high I/O devices from the slower ones. Leave your Hard disk drives as >is but terminate the last one and then put your Zip drive on the 50 pin SCSI >Connector on board and use the Iomega SCSI terminator that came with the the >SCSI drive. actually I've just checked inside .. and this is actually already how it is setup .. for some reason during bootup the BIOS sees the two drives and the ZIP disk on Channel A (as does the DOS based Array management software) .. but the drives are chained from one of the 68 pin connectors .. and the ZIP disk is the only thing connected to the 50-pin connector btw - Terry .. I lost that email of yours - could you resend it please -- jason - remove all hyphens for email reply -
Subject: Re: s1836DLUAN w/ ARO-1130 RAID From: klaas a1.com.au (Klaas Visser) Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 01:16:35 GMT On Sun, 14 Feb 1999 11:16:25 +1100, e-lephant b-igpond.com (jason) wrote: > >actually I've just checked inside .. and this is actually already how it >is setup .. for some reason during bootup the BIOS sees the two drives >and the ZIP disk on Channel A (as does the DOS based Array management >software) .. but the drives are chained from one of the 68 pin connectors >.. and the ZIP disk is the only thing connected to the 50-pin connector > Jason, The 50 pin connector is in fact hardwired to channel A (ie, channel A has both the UltraWide - 68pin - and the Narrow - 50 pin - connectors). Channel B has just the UltraWide. I would echo Terry's recommendation that you have the drives and the Zip on different channels for bus i/o optimization, eg, put the raid array on Channel B, and the Zip on the 50pin connector to Channel A. >ok .. I will try those things .. don't know much about termination - only >new to this whole SCSI deal (feel like an idiot to be honest) but I'm >sure that my supplier can help Regarding termination - Without being too technical, a SCSI bus requires termination at both ends of the bus. Generally, the adaptor/controller is terminated at one end, and the last device in the chain needs to be terminated. This is normally done by setting a jumper, or installing a resistor pack (depending on device, and vintage). Given that both your drives and the zip are on channel A, I would check the last drive and the zip aren't both terminated, or the drive is, and the zip isn't. >hmm .. so I presume that you have only installed the array family >software .. and - not a specific driver for the SCSI adapter ? That's right. The only driver installed is the cda1000.sys. >well .. it was disk A .. but I don't know what a 3940 is anyway - and I'm >pretty sure that I don't have an additional one - but in any case - my >utility told me to use DiskA (which I did) Well, a 3940 is the Adaptec brand name for a controller using the AIC 7895 chipset. This chipset is also used by the 2940. The onboard controller is also described as a 3940, as it has the same functionality as the add-on version, so much so, that my Tyan manual came with a second book, containing the AHA3940 User Guide, stating that this can be used when referencing the onboard controller. In general, SCSI is one of those things that works really well when it works, and can have you tearing your hear out when it doesn't. Just remember that it is only a bunch of electronics, and you only need to sacrifice a chicken occasionally to get it to work...... Regards
Subject: Re: s1836DLUAN w/ ARO-1130 RAID From: "Terry" ameritech.net> Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 21:57:04 -0500 Jason, Another thing you might try is go to EZ SCSI at boot, ( control-A), and go to channel A and lower the max sync transfer for the device ID that the Zip drive is using. And while you're there, check to see if your your hard disk drives are set to 40 if you have UW drives. I know when I installed mine the adapter defaulted to 20. You can also speed up the boot by changing the boot scan to no for each of the unused ID's, don't forget channel B as it gets scanned also. Are you using the Iomega terminator on the 50 pin cable to your zip drive? Terry Klaas Visser wrote in message >On Sun, 14 Feb 1999 11:16:25 +1100, e-lephant b-igpond.com (jason) >wrote: > >> >>actually I've just checked inside .. and this is actually already how it >>is setup .. for some reason during bootup the BIOS sees the two drives >>and the ZIP disk on Channel A (as does the DOS based Array management >>software) .. but the drives are chained from one of the 68 pin connectors >>.. and the ZIP disk is the only thing connected to the 50-pin connector >> > >Jason, > >The 50 pin connector is in fact hardwired to channel A (ie, channel A >has both the UltraWide - 68pin - and the Narrow - 50 pin - >connectors). Channel B has just the UltraWide. > >I would echo Terry's recommendation that you have the drives and the >Zip on different channels for bus i/o optimization, eg, put the raid >array on Channel B, and the Zip on the 50pin connector to Channel A. > >>ok .. I will try those things .. don't know much about termination - only >>new to this whole SCSI deal (feel like an idiot to be honest) but I'm >>sure that my supplier can help > >Regarding termination - Without being too technical, a SCSI bus >requires termination at both ends of the bus. Generally, the >adaptor/controller is terminated at one end, and the last device in >the chain needs to be terminated. This is normally done by setting a >jumper, or installing a resistor pack (depending on device, and >vintage). > >Given that both your drives and the zip are on channel A, I would >check the last drive and the zip aren't both terminated, or the drive >is, and the zip isn't. > >>hmm .. so I presume that you have only installed the array family >>software .. and - not a specific driver for the SCSI adapter ? > >That's right. The only driver installed is the cda1000.sys. > >>well .. it was disk A .. but I don't know what a 3940 is anyway - and I'm >>pretty sure that I don't have an additional one - but in any case - my >>utility told me to use DiskA (which I did) > >Well, a 3940 is the Adaptec brand name for a controller using the AIC >7895 chipset. This chipset is also used by the 2940. The onboard >controller is also described as a 3940, as it has the same >functionality as the add-on version, so much so, that my Tyan manual >came with a second book, containing the AHA3940 User Guide, stating >that this can be used when referencing the onboard controller. > >In general, SCSI is one of those things that works really well when it >works, and can have you tearing your hear out when it doesn't. Just >remember that it is only a bunch of electronics, and you only need to >sacrifice a chicken occasionally to get it to work...... > > >Regards > > >
Subject: Re: s1836DLUAN w/ ARO-1130 RAID From: e-lephant b-igpond.com (jason) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 23:23:51 +1100 Terry writes .. > Another thing you might try is go to EZ SCSI at boot, ( control-A), and >go to channel A and lower the max sync transfer for the device ID that the >Zip drive is using. >... > And while you're there, check to see if your your hard disk drives are >set to 40 I'll have a look at that .. it's all happening tomorrow *8^) > Are you using the Iomega terminator on the 50 pin cable to your zip >drive? don't know .. I just assumed that the tech guys set it all up correctly .. now - I'm not so sure .. I don't even know what an Iomega terminator looks like .. I'm sure they talk about it either in the accompanying manual or on their web site >Klaas wrote .. >>The 50 pin connector is in fact hardwired to channel A (ie, channel A >>has both the UltraWide - 68pin - and the Narrow - 50 pin - >>connectors). Channel B has just the UltraWide. ok .. so I'll probably switch the drives over onto Chan-B .. and use the whole Ctrl+A thing to reconfigure the SCSI settings >>Given that both your drives and the zip are on channel A, I would >>check the last drive and the zip aren't both terminated, or the drive >>is, and the zip isn't. well .. I'm assuming that both should be terminated once I move the drives over to Channel B .. but I'll check it all out (it's like a whole new world *8^) >>That's right. The only driver installed is the cda1000.sys. ooh .. wish something had have said that in the doco that I read .. probably seems obvious to anyone who has things working correctly .. but not so obvious to me as I was trying to troubleshoot the problem also not so obvious (apparently) to the Adaptec Tech fool who replied to my email .. one day I'll learn never to bother with tech support >>Well, a 3940 is the Adaptec brand name for a controller using the AIC >>7895 chipset. This chipset is also used by the 2940. The onboard >>controller is also described as a 3940, as it has the same >>functionality as the add-on version, so much so, that my Tyan manual >>came with a second book, containing the AHA3940 User Guide, stating >>that this can be used when referencing the onboard controller. oic .. I'm sure that will come in handy as I peruse future documentation >>In general, SCSI is one of those things that works really well when it >>works, and can have you tearing your hear out when it doesn't. Just >>remember that it is only a bunch of electronics, and you only need to >>sacrifice a chicken occasionally to get it to work...... hee hee .. will the neighbours guinea pigs suffice ? .. I'm still crossing my fingers that all this isn't a waste of time and it turns out that the 1130CA really does only work with NT Workstation .. but I really really doubt it .. from everything that everyone's said - I think I've got a lot of things to check before I resign myself to that end thanks again .. I'll let y'all know how things go tomorrow (it's almost bedtime here now - so tomorrow's in 12 hours or so) -- jason - remove all hyphens for email reply -
Subject: Re: s1836DLUAN w/ ARO-1130 RAID From: stauning REMOVEvestnet.dk (Michael "Psycho" Stauning) Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 21:27:18 GMT On Sat, 13 Feb 1999 06:53:55 GMT, klaas a1.com.au (Klaas Visser) wrote: >I'm running NT WKS with an ARO-1130CA, with only disks attached. >However, what I understand from the docs, is that the Array driver >(cda1000.sys) looks after all devices on the onboard SCSI channels >(although it doesn't say anything about ZIP drives, it mentions >CDroms, scanners, tapes, etc). I've do think about getting, one for these, but still want to dual-boot NT / Win98.. Can Win98 run with it ? Later Michael.
Subject: Re: s1836DLUAN w/ ARO-1130 RAID From: klaas a1.com.au (Klaas Visser) Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 23:11:46 GMT On Sun, 14 Feb 1999 21:27:18 GMT, stauning REMOVEvestnet.dk (Michael "Psycho" Stauning) wrote: >I've do think about getting, one for these, but still want to >dual-boot NT / Win98.. Can Win98 run with it ? Michael, All the docs specifically refer to NT, with nary a mention of Win98 (ie, System Requirements lists NT 4.0 or higher). I haven't tried it, as I don't need to run Win98. Regards Klaas Visser Sydney, Australia "If all men are created equal, then where's my Porsche??"
Subject: Re: s1836DLUAN w/ ARO-1130 RAID From: e-lephant b-igpond.com (jason) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 23:27:36 +1100 Michael writes .. >I've do think about getting, one for these, but still want to >dual-boot NT / Win98.. Can Win98 run with it ? I can almost guarantee that it will not work under Win9x .. I think we're several years away from RAID suppliers writing drivers for Win9x level OSs .. egads .. NT is accomplishment enough I'd say you're looking at an IDE drive for your Win9x if you want to add on the RAID controller .. just as I've had to do for Linux which I dual boot on this machine -- jason - remove all hyphens for email reply -
Subject: Re: s1836DLUAN w/ ARO-1130 RAID From: e-lephant b-igpond.com (jason) Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 15:14:30 +1100 ok .. I said that I'd give y'all an update .. so here it is it still aint workin' it breaks down like this originally ChanA #5 Zip Terminated ChanA #8 Cheetah1 ChanA #9 Cheetah2 Terminated first attempt ChanA #5 Zip Terminated ChanB #8 Cheetah1 ChanB #9 Cheetah2 Terminated second ChanA #5 Zip Terminated ChanB #8 Cheetah1 ChanB #9 Cheetah2 third ChanA #5 Zip ChanB #8 Cheetah1 ChanB #9 Cheetah2 Terminated fourth *8^) .. getting silly by now ChanA #5 Zip ChanB #8 Cheetah1 ChanB #9 Cheetah2 fifth (ok - so it's the same as the first - but who knows - it might work now) ChanA #5 Zip Terminated ChanB #8 Cheetah1 ChanB #9 Cheetah2 Terminated and still no luck rang the supplier him: "should just plug together and work .. oh - have you got the latest drivers from Iomega" me: "DRIVERS ?!?!? it's a SCSI Zip disk - there are no drivers" him: "check the Iomega site - they've got new drivers" me: "there really are no drivers y'know .. I've installed two SCSI Zip drives before - never any drivers" and on it went .. groan so - again - I'm at a loss it's very frustrating .. during bootup the Array1000 utility finds both the drives and the Zip drive .. but the CIO Management software under NT can only see the drives .. aaaaarrrgh I'm beginning to believe the whole - works on NT Workstation - but not on NT Server deal that's the next move - btw .. installing NT Workstation on this machine to see if I can see the drive then -- jason - remove all hyphens for email reply -
Subject: Re: S1386 DLUAN Blue Screen of Death with aic78xx.sys From: bergmania my-dejanews.com Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 21:04:09 GMT > Latest SCSI Driver from adaptec web page My 1836DLUAN also bluescreens with the drivers of adaptec web.. but the ones that came with the mobo (v2.10 if I remeber correctly) works perfectly.. BUT the adaptec ones works on my win98.. ?!?.. So I don't realy have an answer.. but there is an old saying: -If it ain't broke.. Don't fix it.. and it seems it fits here.. :-) -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own
Subject: Re: S1386 DLUAN Blue Screen of Death with aic78xx.sys From: zarnok usa.net (Zarnok) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 05:22:37 GMT I hate to be the oen to tell yuou this but those numbers are memory address errors. Yuo need to buy memory that is on the list on tyan's website. I used to get those errors and as soon as i used the Viking SDRAM PC100 ECC DIMM i no longer got any erros like that. Jim On Wed, 10 Feb 1999 23:33:58 -0700, Tom Starkweather aros.net> wrote: >Problem : I get the blue screen of death using DISK manager and Version >4.1 EZ-SCSI CD Writer utility. >Also Gear replicator CD copying software dies. Version 4.0 EZ-SCSI CD >writer utility works. > >IRQL_NOT_LESS_OR_EQUAL address 801eef6c has base at 801e7000 - >aic78xx.sys. >IRQL_NOT_LESS_OR_EQUAL address 801ecf6c has base at 801e5000 - >aic78xx.sys. > >Computer Information >S1386 DLUAN MotherBoard >2X 400 mHz PII CPU's >440 GX chip set >IBM Deskstar 14.4 gig 7200 RPM >ATI AGP video >Pioneer 36X CD-ROM >JVC 2010 CDR >STD 1.44 Floppy >128MB ECC SDRAM (Samsung) >Software Information >NT4.0 Build 1381 (SP4) >Latest SCSI Driver from adaptec web page >American Megatrends AMI BIOS Tyan Thunder V1.12a >Tyan's IDE Bus Master v2.1 > >Does anyone have any ideas ???? > >Thanks >TPS > >P.S. >In regards to Tyan tech support I would rate them a F-. I have sent them >4 e-mails in the last 4 weeks without any responce at all. Not even an >acknowledgment. > > > > >
Subject: Re: S1386 DLUAN Blue Screen of Death with aic78xx.sys From: Tom Starkweather aros.net> Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 18:49:12 -0700 The memory I am using is top of the line samsung. I see no other instability in the system at all. If I disable the aic78xx.sys I have no problems at all with the disk manager. (Several articles highly recommended this memory for the tyan motherboard.) TPS Zarnok wrote: > I hate to be the oen to tell yuou this but those numbers are memory > address errors. Yuo need to buy memory that is on the list on tyan's > website. I used to get those errors and as soon as i used the Viking > SDRAM PC100 ECC DIMM i no longer got any erros like that. > > Jim > > On Wed, 10 Feb 1999 23:33:58 -0700, Tom Starkweather > aros.net> wrote: > > >Problem : I get the blue screen of death using DISK manager and Version > >4.1 EZ-SCSI CD Writer utility. > >Also Gear replicator CD copying software dies. Version 4.0 EZ-SCSI CD > >writer utility works. > > > >IRQL_NOT_LESS_OR_EQUAL address 801eef6c has base at 801e7000 - > >aic78xx.sys. > >IRQL_NOT_LESS_OR_EQUAL address 801ecf6c has base at 801e5000 - > >aic78xx.sys. > > > >Computer Information > >S1386 DLUAN MotherBoard > >2X 400 mHz PII CPU's > >440 GX chip set > >IBM Deskstar 14.4 gig 7200 RPM > >ATI AGP video > >Pioneer 36X CD-ROM > >JVC 2010 CDR > >STD 1.44 Floppy > >128MB ECC SDRAM (Samsung) > >Software Information > >NT4.0 Build 1381 (SP4) > >Latest SCSI Driver from adaptec web page > >American Megatrends AMI BIOS Tyan Thunder V1.12a > >Tyan's IDE Bus Master v2.1 > > > >Does anyone have any ideas ???? > > > >Thanks > >TPS
Subject: Re: S1386 DLUAN Blue Screen of Death with aic78xx.sys From: eyewatch onramp.net (eyewatch) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 04:16:06 GMT On Mon, 15 Feb 1999 18:49:12 -0700, Tom Starkweather aros.net> wrote: >The memory I am using is top of the line samsung. I see no other instability >in the system at all. If I disable the aic78xx.sys I have no problems at all >with the disk manager. (Several articles highly recommended this memory for >the tyan motherboard.) > It's not your memory Tom. It's those damn aic78xx.sys drivers that come with the board. There actually not compatible. I don't have the info in front of me but there is a work around at the Tyan FAQ area. If I recall it's more of a procedure on how and which aic78xx.sys drivers to install. After I installed it the way they outlined my blue screens and SCSI CD problems dissappeared, even got my Dual Voodoo2's to install properly.
Subject: Re: S1386 DLUAN Blue Screen of Death with aic78xx.sys From: "Matthew L. Walker" airmail.net> Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 16:13:08 -0600 You can also check on adaptec's web site for updated drivers. There are a few known issues with the AIC78xx.sys drivers under NT. Also check http://support.microsoft.com/support and do a search for aic78xx.sys you might be surprised what will turn up. Cheers.. and good luck. Matthew L. Walker eyewatch wrote in message <36c8ef76.7420422 news.onramp.net>... >On Mon, 15 Feb 1999 18:49:12 -0700, Tom Starkweather > aros.net> wrote: > >>The memory I am using is top of the line samsung. I see no other instability >>in the system at all. If I disable the aic78xx.sys I have no problems at all >>with the disk manager. (Several articles highly recommended this memory for >>the tyan motherboard.) >It's not your memory Tom. It's those damn aic78xx.sys drivers that >come with the board. There actually not compatible. I don't have the >info in front of me but there is a work around at the Tyan FAQ area. >If I recall it's more of a procedure on how and which aic78xx.sys >drivers to install. After I installed it the way they outlined my blue >screens and SCSI CD problems dissappeared, even got my Dual Voodoo2's >to install properly.
Subject: Re: S1836DLUAN THUNDER 100 And PIII 500? From: jyoung erols.com (Joel Young) Date: 12 Feb 1999 22:13:39 GMT Jeffrey Haluska mail.utexas.edu> writes: > Does anybody know from first hand experience whether the S1836DLUAN > THUNDER 100 will support a PIII 500? I know from experience that it will support dual PII-504s... Joel Young jyoung erols.com
Subject: Re: S1836DLUAN THUNDER 100 And PIII 500? From: "Nathan Widmyer" mindspring.com> Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 18:26:52 -0500 I'm trying to overclock two Celeron 300A's and I've reached speeds of 500 MHz exactly per processor but I can't get it to run in dual mode, can you talk me through it. I have 2 SL2WM's overclocked and work fine.
Subject: Re: S1836DLUAN THUNDER 100 And PIII 500? From: jyoung erols.com (Joel Young) Date: 13 Feb 1999 00:49:24 GMT "Nathan Widmyer" mindspring.com> writes: > I'm trying to overclock two Celeron 300A's and I've reached speeds of 500 > MHz exactly per processor but I can't get it to run in dual mode, can you > talk me through it. I have 2 SL2WM's overclocked and work fine. You've gottit, the BIOS only displays 500, but if you check, it is really 504. Joel Young jyoung erols.com
Subject: Re: S1836DLUAN THUNDER 100 And PIII 500? From: mmayhle crl.com (Mark Mayhle) Date: 12 Feb 1999 19:53:50 -0800 In article <7a2ddr$lnt$2 samsara0.mindspring.com>, "Nathan Widmyer" mindspring.com> wrote: >I'm trying to overclock two Celeron 300A's and I've reached speeds of 500 >MHz exactly per processor but I can't get it to run in dual mode, can you >talk me through it. I have 2 SL2WM's overclocked and work fine. Forgive me if this is already well-known to you, but dual Celerons will not work unless they are modified (a small hole drilled in the PCB and some delicate jumper-wire soldering). It can be done, however. It is much, MUCH easier if you start with PPGA Celerons rather than Slot 1 processors, and put them on an appropriate adapter such as the MSI MS-6905. One jumper wire soldered on the adapter, no modification to the processor itself, and you're home free! -- -- Mark Mayhle mmayhle crl.com (preferred address) mmayhle netcom.com (please use only if mail to crl.com bounces)
Subject: Re: S1836DLUAN THUNDER 100 And PIII 500? From: jdyoung m486.young (Joel Young) Date: 13 Feb 1999 00:50:11 GMT Jeffrey Haluska mail.utexas.edu> writes: >> > Does anybody know from first hand experience whether the S1836DLUAN >> > THUNDER 100 will support a PIII 500? >> >> I know from experience that it will support dual PII-504s... > > Is that a 400 or 450 PII overclocked? That is dual PII-300s at 4.5x112 Joel Young jyoung erols.com
Subject: Re: S1836DLUAN THUNDER 100 And PIII 500? From: Jeffrey Haluska mail.utexas.edu> Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 21:40:15 -0600 Jeffrey Haluska wrote: > Does anybody know from first hand experience whether the S1836DLUAN > THUNDER 100 will support a PIII 500? > I know it has jumper settings for it, but I have not seen any > information about it on the website. > > Thanks, > > Jeff Uhm...my question was regarding the PIII 500, not whether it will support 500Mhz. Its nice to know and I appreciate it, but I was wondering about the PIII. Thanks, Jeff
Subject: S1836DLUAN Sound Problem + Update From: "Nathan Widmyer" mindspring.com> Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 22:01:38 -0500 I recently posted a message about my sound card only playing a half second out of every other second of music. Someone responded by disabling it's plug and play ability and making it run on a certain IRQ. I don't see where on the board or in the manual to change the IRQ from plug and play mode for the sound card to a specific one. Can anyone help? Update: CD Audio works fine, it's like file playback, like MIDI, Wav, MP3, etc.. that doesn't work.
Subject: Re: S1836DLUAN Sound Problem + Update From: "Nathan Widmyer" mindspring.com> Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 13:00:53 -0500 I fixed this problem by disabling in the BIOS, the choice if the OS is Plug and Play capable, as soon as this was changed, sound worked fine. Thanks. Nathan Widmyer wrote in message <7a2q0j$hs4$1 camel19.mindspring.com>... >I recently posted a message about my sound card only playing a half second >out of every other second of music. Someone responded by disabling it's >plug and play ability and making it run on a certain IRQ. I don't see where >on the board or in the manual to change the IRQ from plug and play mode for >the sound card to a specific one. Can anyone help? > >Update: CD Audio works fine, it's like file playback, like MIDI, Wav, MP3, >etc.. that doesn't work.
Subject: S1836DLUAN " Compatibility Chart " From: Guy Begmann wanadoo.fr> Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 04:52:27 +0100 I' ve just own a S1836DLUAN board , but leaving in a little town in the east of France , I get difficulties to find a 128Mb SDRAM module which match with the " PC 100 Compatibility Chart List " edited by Tyan. Have you all guys ,bought SDRAM modules according to this List? Is there really a high likelihood to get problems when buying anyone PC 100 memory module?
Subject: Re: S1836DLUAN " Compatibility Chart " From: "Nathan Widmyer" mindspring.com> Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 23:25:17 -0500 I have the same board. When I bought my RAM, I never looked at the compatability chart and I put 2 128 MB SDRAM simms in and they work fine. Guy Begmann wrote in message <36C4F6FB.7AC4E099 wanadoo.fr>... >I' ve just own a S1836DLUAN board , but leaving in a little town >in the east of France , I get difficulties to find a 128Mb SDRAM >module which match with the " PC 100 Compatibility Chart List " >edited by Tyan. >Have you all guys ,bought SDRAM modules according to this >List? >Is there really a high likelihood to get problems when buying >anyone PC 100 memory module? >
Subject: Re: S1836DLUAN " Compatibility Chart " From: "Rick Bowersox" inav.net> Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 14:49:57 -0600 Nathan Widmyer wrote in message <7a2uth$i7t$1 camel19.mindspring.com>... >I have the same board. When I bought my RAM, I never looked at the >compatability chart and I put 2 128 MB SDRAM simms in and they work fine. > On the other hand, when I purchased my 1836DLUAN I ordered memory at the same time and told the vendor that I wanted him to make sure it was compatible. I received a couple of sticks of 128 MB 'no name' memory. My system would constantly blue screen when under load (when using either one or both DIMMS). Sent the memory back, dealer replaced with memory on Tyan's list, and haven't had any more problems. Rick Bowersox
Subject: Re: S1836DLUAN " Compatibility Chart " From: zarnok usa.net (Zarnok) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 04:45:03 GMT Yes, i bought generic PC100 memory and i got all sorts of erros with the memory in windows NT and windows 98 even if it costs more money stick to the list On Sat, 13 Feb 1999 04:52:27 +0100, Guy Begmann wanadoo.fr> wrote: >I' ve just own a S1836DLUAN board , but leaving in a little town >in the east of France , I get difficulties to find a 128Mb SDRAM >module which match with the " PC 100 Compatibility Chart List " >edited by Tyan. >Have you all guys ,bought SDRAM modules according to this >List? >Is there really a high likelihood to get problems when buying >anyone PC 100 memory module? >
Subject: Re: S1836DLUAN THUNDER 100 And PIII 500? I'm Sure So From: 3mil my-dejanews.com Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 09:18:23 GMT I DO THINK SO, Jeff! Tyan released the new 1.16a BIOS just when the P3-500MHz has come out...We have jumpers, too and the manual speaks explicitly about a possible 500MHz Processor "not yet tested" on the S1836 : Again, I'm sure the P3-500MHz will live happily in our THUNDER 100's! But a confirmation would be the best thing! See you, Gianluca > Does anybody know from first hand experience whether the S1836DLUAN > THUNDER 100 will support a PIII 500? > I know it has jumper settings for it, but I have not seen any > information about it on the website. > > Thanks, > > Jeff > > Official address - sunflux geocities.com -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own
Subject: Disabling SCSI on S1836DLUAN From: Stephen Boulet enteract.com> Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 13:49:12 -0600 Hi. I've had this board for a while and like it a lot for linux and NT. I don't have any SCSI devices. When the bios stuff starts, after it checks the ram, it loads the scsi bios, and then waits for a half minute looking for a scsi devices before deciding that there aren't any and continues on. How can I tell it not to bother looking for a SCSI boot record since there are no SCSI devices? Thanks. -- Stephen Grayslake, IL, USA spboulet at enteract dot com
Subject: Re: Disabling SCSI on S1836DLUAN From: "Terry" ameritech.net> Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 17:35:27 -0500 Go to the Bios and change the boot order something like A: C: from A: SCSI. Stephen Boulet wrote in message <36C5D738.F34ABBAB enteract.com>... >Hi. I've had this board for a while and like it a lot for linux and NT. > >I don't have any SCSI devices. When the bios stuff starts, after it >checks the ram, it loads the scsi bios, and then waits for a half minute >looking for a scsi devices before deciding that there aren't any and >continues on. > >How can I tell it not to bother looking for a SCSI boot record since >there are no SCSI devices? Thanks. > >-- > >Stephen > >Grayslake, IL, USA >spboulet at enteract dot com
Subject: Should I go with the S1836Dluan From: bobcatou mindspring.com (Bryan Cady) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 16:47:54 GMT Hi, I am building a new system and planning on Networking it with my other home computer using NT in the near future. I see three possiblities. 1. Asus p2b-LS 2. Tyan S1836Dluan 3. SuperMicro P6DGU. I actually like the Tyan the best out of the bunch but it doesn't have the Ultra2Scsi, which the others do. I haven't really been able to find any reviews on any other these except the ASUS so I am looking for anyone that might know something about these. I guess what I am looking for in a dual board is; 1. Stability 2. Performance 3. Overclocking Ability. If you have any reccommendations on above boards or any other Dual board I would be happy to hear them. I don't necessarily need the onboard SCSI and Ethernet but the price diference seemed like it might be worth it. Thanks in Advance Bryan Cady bobcatou mindspring.com
Subject: Re: Should I go with the S1836Dluan From: "Nathan Widmyer" mindspring.com> Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 18:13:24 -0500 Hey Bryan, I have a S1836DLUAN, when I started to use it, it was very stable. All components worked right out of the box. I am in the process of overclocking 2 300A's and the board says that after overclocking 300A's, it runs the processors at 500 MHz. I can run Windows 98 for several days without a reset, it's a very good board, I'm satisfied. Bryan Cady wrote in message >Hi, > >I am building a new system and planning on Networking it with my other >home computer using NT in the near future. > >I see three possiblities. > >1. Asus p2b-LS > >2. Tyan S1836Dluan > >3. SuperMicro P6DGU. > >I actually like the Tyan the best out of the bunch but it doesn't have >the Ultra2Scsi, which the others do. > >I haven't really been able to find any reviews on any other these >except the ASUS so I am looking for anyone that might know something >about these. > >I guess what I am looking for in a dual board is; > >1. Stability >2. Performance >3. Overclocking Ability. > >If you have any reccommendations on above boards or any other Dual >board I would be happy to hear them. I don't necessarily need the >onboard SCSI and Ethernet but the price diference seemed like it might >be worth it. > >Thanks in Advance > >Bryan Cady >bobcatou mindspring.com
Subject: Re: Should I go with the S1836Dluan From: "Bos" bellsouth.net> Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 04:25:26 GMT Bryan, Check here for a review: http://www.anandtech.com/html/review_display.cfm?document=215 As for the board, I have no complaints and I do believe Tyan is coming out with a onboard U2W version. Bos Bryan Cady wrote in message <36cca126.49805757 news.mindspring.com>... >Hi, > >I am building a new system and planning on Networking it with my other >home computer using NT in the near future. > >I see three possiblities. > >1. Asus p2b-LS > >2. Tyan S1836Dluan > >3. SuperMicro P6DGU. > >I actually like the Tyan the best out of the bunch but it doesn't have >the Ultra2Scsi, which the others do. > >I haven't really been able to find any reviews on any other these >except the ASUS so I am looking for anyone that might know something >about these. > >I guess what I am looking for in a dual board is; > >1. Stability >2. Performance >3. Overclocking Ability. > >If you have any reccommendations on above boards or any other Dual >board I would be happy to hear them. I don't necessarily need the >onboard SCSI and Ethernet but the price diference seemed like it might >be worth it. > >Thanks in Advance > >Bryan Cady >bobcatou mindspring.com
Subject: Is Tyan going to ever put an Ultra2SCSI on its S1836DLuan? From: bobcatou mindspring.com (Bryan Cady) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 16:50:12 GMT Subject says it all
Subject: Re: Is Tyan going to ever put an Ultra2SCSI on its S1836DLuan? From: bobcatou mindspring.com (Bryan Cady) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 01:09:33 GMT I saw a S1837DLUan on the Onsale website that stated that it had Ultra2scsi. I don't see it on their website though. BC On 16 Feb 1999 23:17:12 GMT, sratakeo aol.comdie (SRATakeo) wrote: >Yeah I hear that a new board is coming out that is almost exactly like the >S1836 with Ultra 2 SCSI, don't know what it's called but it's supposed to be >out soon.
Subject: S1836DLUAN Parallel Port Problems. From: Dave Stragand ketchum.com> Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 12:50:49 -0500 Hi All, I had to reset my CMOS when I made an incorrect setting and locked up the machine. Since then, I haven't been able to get the parallel port to work, even under a DOS boot. What are the CMOS settings I need to use? Specifically, does the parallel port use "PCI/PNP" or "ISA" settings for the parallel port IRQ? (According to Tyan, "the parallel port uses neither PCI or ISA -- it is on the IRQ bus"... That's pretty sad tech support. I zapped the CMOS this weekend, and still no luck. The port is recognized by NT/98, and by a DOS boot and MSD. However, prininting anything, from any OS, to the parallel port still yields all garbage. The printer & cable are okay, because I hooked them to another machine and everything woked just fine. Anyone have any ideas what might still be causing the printer port to act so strangely? (I've tried 4 different printers and 6 different cables...) Tyan also tells me that it's a driver problem... I tried to explain that to do a PRTSCRN in DOS doesn't use any drivers. The tech support guy apparently has nevered used DOS at all... If it were a driver issue, it should still print okay through a DOS boot then. You can type like "DIR > PRN" and it will dump the directory listing to the printer. Also, MSD.exe (MS Diagnostics) has a printer test... It's the exact same garbled line of text as when printing under 98/NT. The DOS tests don't use a driver -- that's why I used them first. Sooo.... Now that the tech support department at TYAN has stopped answering my emails, does anyone here have any advice for me on getting this board to work correctly?
Subject: Re: S1836DLUAN and LINUX From: Christian.Kruelle t-online.de (Christian Krülle) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 22:43:29 +0100 Hi Michael, I'am running a red hat linux distribution with that board - works fine anyways. I got the last (newest distribution), all necessary software is on the cds, even for the onboard sound system - try it out and have fun ! Regards, Chris Michael Cain schrieb in Nachricht >I was thinking of buying the S1836DLUAN Thunder 100 with dual Pentium >II Xeon processors. However I need to know if anyone has gotten Linux >to run on the board with problems (or minimal problems). My main >concern is support for the on board SCSI and the ethernet card. As for >sound, I do not care. TIA for any information. > >Michael Cain >
Subject: Re: S1836DLUAN and LINUX From: bergmania my-dejanews.com Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 21:47:25 GMT Michael Cain acs.tamu.edu> wrote: > I was thinking of buying the S1836DLUAN Thunder 100 with dual Pentium > II Xeon processors. However I need to know if anyone has gotten Linux > to run on the board with problems (or minimal problems). My main > concern is support for the on board SCSI and the ethernet card. As for > sound, I do not care. TIA for any information. > > Michael Cain > > My S1836DLUAN with 2 350 PII's screams under Linux.. tested kernel 2.0.34- and running now on 2.2.1.. no problems setting it up.. BUT I'm not so sure that you can fit XEON on the 1836.. I suspect that you have to get the S1952 (Thunder X).. Dan Bergman
Subject: Re: S1836DLUAN and LINUX From: "William Taylor" yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 06:23:38 GMT I'm running Mandrake Linux 5.3 (a RedHat variant) with kernel 2.0.36 and 2.2.1 with no problems on an 1836DLUAN with dual PII/450's. It flies. RedHat/Mandrake found the onboard SCSI and LAN devices with no problems. I have not tried the onboard sound though. I'm using a nVidia TNT AGP card with the latest XFree release with zero problems as well. I noticed that Kernel 2.2.1 seems to map/access IRQ's higher than 15. It assigns IRQ 18 to the onboard SCSI. I have not spent any time investigating it further though. All the best, Michael Cain wrote in message <36CA5F9F.49556A77 acs.tamu.edu>... >I was thinking of buying the S1836DLUAN Thunder 100 with dual Pentium >II Xeon processors. However I need to know if anyone has gotten Linux >to run on the board with problems (or minimal problems). My main >concern is support for the on board SCSI and the ethernet card. As for >sound, I do not care. TIA for any information. > >Michael Cain >
Subject: Re: S1836DLUAN and LINUX From: "Mike Smith" NOSPAMearthlink.net> Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 12:14:15 -0500 Michael Cain wrote in message <36CA5F9F.49556A77 acs.tamu.edu>... >I was thinking of buying the S1836DLUAN Thunder 100 with dual Pentium >II Xeon processors. However I need to know if anyone has gotten Linux >to run on the board with problems (or minimal problems). My main >concern is support for the on board SCSI and the ethernet card. As for >sound, I do not care. TIA for any information. The S1836 is a Slot 1 motherboard -- the Xeon will not fit. -- Mike Smith. No, the other one.
Subject: Re: S1836DLUAN and LINUX From: sflaxa hotmail.com Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 11:08:55 GMT Go for the S1952DLU THUNDER X DUAL XEON U2W g "Mike Smith" NOSPAMearthlink.net> wrote: > Michael Cain wrote in message > >I was thinking of buying the S1836DLUAN Thunder 100 with dual Pentium > >II Xeon processors. However I need to know if anyone has gotten Linux > >to run on the board with problems (or minimal problems). My main > >concern is support for the on board SCSI and the ethernet card. As for > >sound, I do not care. TIA for any information. > > The S1836 is a Slot 1 motherboard -- the Xeon will not fit. > > -- > Mike Smith. No, the other one. > > Official address - sunflux geocities.com
Subject: Re: SC750A case and S1836 Tyan mobo From: ggg mediaoneBADGES.net (Gerald; don't need no stnkin' BADGEs to email) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 01:10:28 GMT It is the over temperature sensor light and I don't think a S1836 has a place to attach it. Blair Wilson mail.microserve.net> wrote: >I have a recently purchased SC750A case. I am having a problem >understanding what is one of the leads on the front of the case is for. >The lead looks like a thermometer. Where does it go on the mother >board. I have a Tyan S1836 dual main board. Any/all suggestions are >welcomed. -- Gerald ggg mediaoneBADGES.net (Don't need no stinkin BADGES to email)
Subject: S1836 DLUAN and Win98 From: "Urs Steiner" maximilianeum.ch> Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 13:18:00 +0100 Hi all i'm trying to install Win98 on my DLUAN- Board but it crashes ...: it does the detection of plug'n'play-Cards fine, then reboots and after the dos-part it tells me: unable to write to Drive C: ... after that, it tell's me something about not starting SHELL and some problem in kernel386.exe ... then comes the statment: You can now turn off your computer ... Any one had / solved this problem? i can't figure out what i'm doning wrong ... Many Thanks in advance ... Urs -- mail: urs [dot] steiner [at] switzerland [dot] org http://www.vis.ethz.ch/~urs/
Subject: Re: S1836 DLUAN and Win98 From: "Jan-Willem Kruse" worldonline.nl> Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 22:20:24 +0100 Search http://support.microsoft.com/support on 1. ACPI and win98 2. SCSI and win98 I had the same troubles. Solution is: change the bios cache option from write back to write through during install of win98. Yes your computer will slow done. Another thing has to do with IRQ sharing. You have to run win98 setup.exe with some options regarding to ACPI. For some reason IRQ problems which can happen are over. This can be found at the microosft support site. Good luck, Jan-Willem Kruse, The Netherlands Urs Steiner wrote in message <7ajkrt$qi7$1 news.eunet.ch>... >Hi all > >i'm trying to install Win98 on my DLUAN- Board but it crashes ...: > >it does the detection of plug'n'play-Cards fine, then reboots and after the >dos-part it tells me: unable to write to Drive C: ... >after that, it tell's me something about not starting SHELL and some problem >in kernel386.exe ... >then comes the statment: You can now turn off your computer ... > >Any one had / solved this problem? i can't figure out what i'm doning wrong >... > > >Many Thanks in advance ... > >Urs > >-- >mail: urs [dot] steiner [at] switzerland [dot] org >http://www.vis.ethz.ch/~urs/
Subject: Re: S1836 DLUAN and Win98 From: "Urs Steiner" maximilianeum.ch> Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 13:04:35 +0100 Well here i'm back again :) and i got it running with Win98 ... it's actually easy, but ç"+&%/ : it seems one just can't boot from channel B to install '98, so i plugged the cable in the wide-channel A and it rocked ... and you can plug it back to B afterwards Thanks to everybody woh helped me here in the 'group and with PM Urs -- mail: urs [dot] steiner [at] switzerland [dot] org http://www.vis.ethz.ch/~urs/
Subject: Re: S1836DLUAN and LINUX and ARO-1130CA Raid Card From: decam nospam.usa.net Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 09:37:20 -0500 On Wed, 17 Feb 1999 06:20:15 +0000, Michael Cain (mlc2301 acs.tamu.edu) wrote: > I was thinking of buying the S1836DLUAN Thunder 100 with dual Pentium > II Xeon processors. However I need to know if anyone has gotten Linux > to run on the board with problems (or minimal problems). My main > concern is support for the on board SCSI and the ethernet card. As for > sound, I do not care. TIA for any information. > > Michael Cain > > I'd also like to know if Linux will run from SCSI drives controlled by an ARO-1130CA. Thanks. -- David Campbell ps:remove nospam from email address.
Subject: Re: S1836DLUAN and LINUX and ARO-1130CA Raid Card From: e-lephant b-igpond.com (jason) Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 15:17:10 +1100 decam nospam.usa.net writes .. >I'd also like to know if Linux will run from SCSI drives controlled by an >ARO-1130CA. Thanks. there are no drivers for any of the Adaptec RAID solutions .. ARO-1130CA included I spoke briefly to Adaptec about this - and they said that there was no intention of either writing the drivers - or handing over existing Array1000 source so don't hold your breath -- jason - remove all hyphens for email reply -
Subject: S1836DLUAN SCSI Bios Problems, Help Please From: "Fred" yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 01:10:32 -0500 On start-Up the scsi bios boots,sees my cd-rw, and scanner, but then the bios fails to install. Is there a necessary amibios setting that allows the scsi bios to install? Secondly, I'm using NT 4.0 w/S.P#4, after I install the scsi drivers, I can no longer see other computers on my LAN. My TCP/IP communications are not affected. Is this a Service Pack 4 problem, or an Adaptec driver problem? Help would be greatly appreciated. Fred
Subject: Re: S1836DLUAN SCSI Bios Problems, Help Please From: "Urs Steiner" maximilianeum.ch> Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 11:18:50 +0100 Fred wrote in message >On start-Up the scsi bios boots,sees my cd-rw, and scanner, but then the >bios fails to install. Is there a necessary amibios setting that allows the >scsi bios to install? if you have no harddisks attached to scsi-controller, it won't install the bios, which isn't needed for cr-drives and so on ... >Secondly, I'm using NT 4.0 w/S.P#4, after I install the scsi drivers, I can >no longer see other computers on my LAN. My TCP/IP communications are not >affected. Is this a Service Pack 4 problem, or an Adaptec driver problem? no idea, worked perfect for me in NT, my problems on the Win98 side ... you got the right drivers? did you test your card with the intel utility? Urs -- mail: urs [dot] steiner [at] switzerland [dot] org http://www.vis.ethz.ch/~urs/ phone: 01/261 57 26 "I'm McDonald," he said archly.
Subject: Re: S1836DLUAN SCSI Bios Problems, Help Please From: mdr home.com> Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 19:03:38 GMT The SCSI bios will install if you have hard disks that need it, the CD-rw and scanner don't which is why it doesn't install. Ref adaptecs white pages for details. As for your other problem I would guess it has to do with the SCSI drivers. I am assuming your network card is not affected? Start the trouble shooting procces by taking everything out and stabalize your settings with NT4.0/SP4. Then add and test everything ONE at a time. I have 5 power work stations and a server at work that all have the S1836DLUAN, with a mix of SCSI and UIDE drives with NT4/SP4 and everything is harmonized. However I have found hiccups with AGP cards and SCSI settings with my home S 1696 DLU and the work S1836 especially the G200 cards. This has nothing to do with NT as it never gets out of the bios start. I've gone back to the PCI cards with no probs and little preformance difference. Fred wrote: > On start-Up the scsi bios boots,sees my cd-rw, and scanner, but then the > bios fails to install. Is there a necessary amibios setting that allows the > scsi bios to install? > > Secondly, I'm using NT 4.0 w/S.P#4, after I install the scsi drivers, I can > no longer see other computers on my LAN. My TCP/IP communications are not > affected. Is this a Service Pack 4 problem, or an Adaptec driver problem? > > Help would be greatly appreciated. > > Fred
Subject: Re: S1836DLUAN SCSI Bios Problems, Help Please From: Greg Causey pris.eeap.cwru.edu> Date: 21 Feb 1999 14:07:03 -0500 "Fred" yahoo.com> writes: > Secondly, I'm using NT 4.0 w/S.P#4, after I install the scsi drivers, I can > no longer see other computers on my LAN. My TCP/IP communications are not > affected. Is this a Service Pack 4 problem, or an Adaptec driver problem? I had a similar problem with sp4 and the network. However, I lost the whole network, not just the browser. It turned out that sp4 insisted on relocating the video card to the same place as the network card causing the network to fail. I got a new video card (matrox G200) and everything is happy now. I originally was using an old diamond stealth 64 video VRAM. -- Greg Causey, Research Associate Dept. of Mechanical & Aerospace Engineering Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland Ohio, 44106 gcc pris.eeap.cwru.edu http://dora.eeap.cwru.edu/gcc
Subject: S1836 Thunder 100 SCSI bus reset From: Knut Kristan Weber urz.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 16:10:36 +0100 Hi alltogether, I have a problem with my Adaptec SCSI controller onboard. I get spontaneous bus resets, so that any DAT-backup or CD-burning trashes. I have attached: IBM disk UW, terminated correctly on one cable. On the other cable, but same channel I have a TEAC CD_ROM and a TEAC CD-recorder, and a HP DAT-tape. The last device on this cable is terminated also, the controller set to automatic. The second channel has no devices at all. I am running Windows NT Server 4.0 german, SP4. Please reply also via personal e-mail. TIA Knut Weber
Subject: Re: S1836 Thunder 100 SCSI bus reset From: mbarker netset.com (Michael A. Barker) Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 23:49:55 GMT Take a look at the following article from the MS knowledge base. How to Troubleshoot Event 9 and Event 11 Error Messages Article ID: Q154690 http://support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/q154/6/90.asp I had a similar problem some time back, the only way that I fixed it was to remove the offending device. Hope you do better. Mike On Sat, 20 Feb 1999 16:10:36 +0100, Knut Kristan Weber urz.uni-heidelberg.de> wrote: >Hi alltogether, >I have a problem with my Adaptec SCSI controller onboard. >I get spontaneous bus resets, so that any DAT-backup or CD-burning >trashes. >I have attached: >IBM disk UW, terminated correctly on one cable. >On the other cable, but same channel I have a TEAC CD_ROM and a TEAC >CD-recorder, and a HP DAT-tape. The last device on this cable is >terminated also, the controller set to automatic. The second channel has >no devices at all. > >I am running Windows NT Server 4.0 german, SP4. > >Please reply also via personal e-mail. > >TIA > >Knut Weber ______________________________________ Michael A. Barker Systems Engineer
Subject: thunder 2 bios 2.02? From: Brian DeWan proaxis.com> Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 20:30:05 -0800 Have been trying to find this. If anyone has it or knows where to get it I would be very grateful. Have tried e-mailing two of the group members but have not heard back from them. Thanks Brian bd proaxis.com
Subject: Re: thunder 2 bios 2.02? From: Doug Schmidt sympatico.ca> Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 23:55:10 -0500 Brian, I've only just read your request and have eMailed you the BIOS. You should have it shortly. ...Doug Brian DeWan wrote: > Have been trying to find this. If anyone has it or knows where to get it > I would be very grateful. Have tried e-mailing two of the group members > but have not heard back from them. > Thanks > Brian > bd proaxis.com
Subject: S1836DLUAN - GX Thunder 100 Bios Upgrading? From: Master Sinanju.com (Shiva - The Destroyer) Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 06:02:28 GMT I have a S1836DLUAN - GX Thunder 100 and dont know how to update the bios, also the bios flash utility on the tyan site lists a utility to update every kind of chipset except a GX chipset, which one do you use? I downloaded the newest bios. Also can you take me through the steps of updating bios? Thanks Shiva
Subject: Re: S1836DLUAN - GX Thunder 100 Bios Upgrading? From: jmestes xspammediaone.net (James M. Estes) Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 12:31:05 GMT Your best bet is to use the procedure outlined in the manual. Briefly, you rename the BIOS update file to amiboot.rom, put it on a blank floppy, put the floppy in the drive, and turn on the computer while holding down ctrl and home keys. Please consult the manual or online pdf file for your board prior to performing this, so you cant blame me if it fails. . . On Sun, 21 Feb 1999 06:02:28 GMT, Master Sinanju.com (Shiva - The Destroyer) wrote: >I have a S1836DLUAN - GX Thunder 100 and dont know how to update the >bios, also the bios flash utility on the tyan site lists a utility to >update every kind of chipset except a GX chipset, which one do you >use? I downloaded the newest bios. Also can you take me through the >steps of updating bios? Thanks > >Shiva
Subject: Re: S1836DLUAN - GX Thunder 100 Bios Upgrading? From: Master Sinanju.com (Shiva - The Destroyer) Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 21:44:33 GMT Thanks a lot, I didnt see anything in the manual, ill look for it better now that i know its in there, Ill report the outcome. Thanks again . On Sun, 21 Feb 1999 12:31:05 GMT, jmestes xspammediaone.net (James M. Estes) wrote: >Your best bet is to use the procedure outlined in the manual. Briefly, >you rename the BIOS update file to amiboot.rom, put it on a blank >floppy, put the floppy in the drive, and turn on the computer while >holding down ctrl and home keys. > >Please consult the manual or online pdf file for your board prior to >performing this, so you cant blame me if it fails. . . > >On Sun, 21 Feb 1999 06:02:28 GMT, Master Sinanju.com (Shiva - The >Destroyer) wrote: > >>I have a S1836DLUAN - GX Thunder 100 and dont know how to update the >>bios, also the bios flash utility on the tyan site lists a utility to >>update every kind of chipset except a GX chipset, which one do you >>use? I downloaded the newest bios. Also can you take me through the >>steps of updating bios? Thanks >> >>Shiva
Subject: S1836DLUAN with Dual PII 400 - Constant NT Bluescreens From: axey |NoSpam|.axe.net (Alex Kremer) Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 12:50:11 GMT Anyone else having problems with this? The system I've just set up is essentially bare bones. Here is the config: 2x PII 400 (Not overclocked) 2x 128MB Dimm's Matrox Marvel G200 AGP Seagate Cheetah on SCSI Everything else is what's on the board. I've left the default bios settings (except for the obvious, like boot config et al). System installed fine with Multi-proc Kernel. However, it just blue screens at any time and without any specific reason it seems. Sometimes just a mouse movement will trigger it. Other times it'll blue screen while switching from one app to another. Then another time it blue-screened while my browser (IE) started a Java applet. And to top it all off, sometimes when I'm working in one app, another one will just randomly crash and generate a Dr. Watson error. Blue Screen messages I've gotten include: KMODE_EXCEPTION_NOT_HANDLED (80159342 has base at 80100000) in win32k.sys IRQL_NOT_LESS_OR_EQUAL (801179A1 has base at 80100000) in ntoskrnl.exe MEMORY_MANAGEMENT(0x0000001a,00042284,A07E9000,000015CE,C0C00000) Anyone have a remote idea what this might be? I should note that the Ram I got is *not* on Tyan's "approved" list, but I want to make sure that there isn't something else I'm missing before I even try to get better ram. Thanks in advance!
Subject: Re: S1836DLUAN with Dual PII 400 - Constant NT Bluescreens From: e-lephant b-igpond.com (jason) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 00:49:30 +1100 Alex Kremer writes .. >Anyone else having problems with this? The system I've just set up is >essentially bare bones. Here is the config: I have 2x PII-450 s1836DLUAN w/ 1130 RAID and/ AGP Millenium w/ 1x 256meg DIMM .. running two Cheetah's in a stripe set with NT4 Server if I remember correctly - I had one blue screen before installing Service Pack 3 .. are you up to date with your service packs ? if so - then I'd guess it's a problem with your RAM .. are you using Dimms from the 'approved' list >Anyone have a remote idea what this might be? I should note that the >Ram I got is *not* on Tyan's "approved" list, but I want to make sure >that there isn't something else I'm missing before I even try to get >better ram. ooh .. just read this paragraph .. definitely the RAM then .. update your service pack - but then get approved ram anyway - honestly .. the RAM is giving you problems .. I guessed it was the ram before even reading your paragraph above - happens all the time -- jason - remove all hyphens for email reply -
Subject: Re: S1836DLUAN with Dual PII 400 - Constant NT Bluescreens From: axey |NoSpam|.axe.net (Alex Kremer) Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 20:50:40 GMT Jason, Thanks for your reply... I just checked Tyan's pages again, and it seems that my memory IS on the approved list.. sort of. I have Micron memory, and Tyan's PC100 list lists "Crucial" Brand memory as "pending approval". "Crucial" is a subdivision of Micron, so I'm guessing the memory I have can't entirely be crap. Is there anyone out there using Micron memory with this board on NT? I have a friend who's running 98 fine with the same memory on a S1836DLU, no problems at all. I heard NT is a little more picky about memory timing though... -Alex On Mon, 22 Feb 1999 00:49:30 +1100, e-lephant b-igpond.com (jason) wrote: >Alex Kremer writes .. >>Anyone else having problems with this? The system I've just set up is >>essentially bare bones. Here is the config: > >I have 2x PII-450 s1836DLUAN w/ 1130 RAID and/ AGP Millenium w/ 1x 256meg >DIMM .. running two Cheetah's in a stripe set with NT4 Server > >if I remember correctly - I had one blue screen before installing Service >Pack 3 .. are you up to date with your service packs ? > >if so - then I'd guess it's a problem with your RAM .. are you using >Dimms from the 'approved' list > >>Anyone have a remote idea what this might be? I should note that the >>Ram I got is *not* on Tyan's "approved" list, but I want to make sure >>that there isn't something else I'm missing before I even try to get >>better ram. > >ooh .. just read this paragraph .. definitely the RAM then .. update your >service pack - but then get approved ram anyway - honestly .. the RAM is >giving you problems .. I guessed it was the ram before even reading your >paragraph above - happens all the time
Subject: Re: S1836DLUAN with Dual PII 400 - Constant NT Bluescreens From: maceda pobox.com Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 06:11:11 GMT Not necessarily, Micron might be the manufacturer of the individual chips on your DIMM, not of the whole package. The are a lot of independent "assemblers" of DIMMs out there and this might pose a problem. Post the markings on the chips so we can check on Micron's site if at least they are rated for PC100 (they have to run at 125 MHz to be PC100 compliant). Even if the chips are OK this would mean little since the PCB is also a key component of the PC100 spec. Francisco Garcia Maceda maceda pobox.com On Sun, 21 Feb 1999 20:50:40 GMT, axey |NoSpam|.axe.net (Alex Kremer) wrote: >Jason, > >Thanks for your reply... I just checked Tyan's pages again, and it >seems that my memory IS on the approved list.. sort of. I have Micron >memory, and Tyan's PC100 list lists "Crucial" Brand memory as "pending >approval". "Crucial" is a subdivision of Micron, so I'm guessing the >memory I have can't entirely be crap. Is there anyone out there using >Micron memory with this board on NT? I have a friend who's running 98 >fine with the same memory on a S1836DLU, no problems at all. I heard >NT is a little more picky about memory timing though... > >-Alex
Subject: Re: S1836DLUAN with Dual PII 400 - Constant NT Bluescreens From: jmmarks my-dejanews.com Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 18:32:10 GMT Install Windows NT Service Pack 4. That should eliminate Blue Screens. axey |NoSpam|.axe.net (Alex Kremer) wrote: > Jason, > > Thanks for your reply... I just checked Tyan's pages again, and it > seems that my memory IS on the approved list.. sort of. I have Micron > memory, and Tyan's PC100 list lists "Crucial" Brand memory as "pending > approval". "Crucial" is a subdivision of Micron, so I'm guessing the > memory I have can't entirely be crap. Is there anyone out there using > Micron memory with this board on NT? I have a friend who's running 98 > fine with the same memory on a S1836DLU, no problems at all. I heard > NT is a little more picky about memory timing though... > > -Alex > > On Mon, 22 Feb 1999 00:49:30 +1100, e-lephant b-igpond.com (jason) > wrote: > > >Alex Kremer writes .. > >>Anyone else having problems with this? The system I've just set up is > >>essentially bare bones. Here is the config: > > > >I have 2x PII-450 s1836DLUAN w/ 1130 RAID and/ AGP Millenium w/ 1x 256meg > >DIMM .. running two Cheetah's in a stripe set with NT4 Server > > > >if I remember correctly - I had one blue screen before installing Service > >Pack 3 .. are you up to date with your service packs ? > > > >if so - then I'd guess it's a problem with your RAM .. are you using > >Dimms from the 'approved' list > > > >>Anyone have a remote idea what this might be? I should note that the > >>Ram I got is *not* on Tyan's "approved" list, but I want to make sure > >>that there isn't something else I'm missing before I even try to get > >>better ram. > > > >ooh .. just read this paragraph .. definitely the RAM then .. update your > >service pack - but then get approved ram anyway - honestly .. the RAM is > >giving you problems .. I guessed it was the ram before even reading your > >paragraph above - happens all the time > >
Subject: Re: S1836DLUAN with Dual PII 400 - Constant NT Bluescreens From: axey |NoSpam|.axe.net (Alex Kremer) Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 20:52:23 GMT RS, The ntoskrnl.exe ones with IRQ_NOT_LESS... are the most common. I'm running SP4. Could it maybe be my video card? -Alex On Sun, 21 Feb 1999 10:50:22 -0700, "RS" rmci.net> wrote: >You may have multiple problems. Here are 2 technet articles dealing with >your problem. I have never seen a blue screen in win32k.sys. So I question >if RAM is causing that problem. Ram may be causing your >IRQL_NOT_LESS_OR_EQUAL (801179A1 has base at 80100000) in ntoskrnl.exe >AND >MEMORY_MANAGEMENT(0x0000001a,00042284,A07E9000,000015CE,C0C00000) >Problems. > >There were about 12 things that technet says can cause a BSOD in win32k.sys. >Most of which are fixed with service pack 4. The first article deals >specifcally with a mouse movement causing problems. >
Subject: Re: S1836DLUAN with Dual PII 400 - Constant NT Bluescreens From: axey |NoSpam|.axe.net (Alex Kremer) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 02:37:52 GMT RS, Ok, well, I did all of what you quoted below. Here is what I came up with: One of my bluescreens looked like so (output from dumpchk): Filename . . . . . . .memory.dmp Signature. . . . . . .PAGE ValidDump. . . . . . .DUMP MajorVersion . . . . .free system MinorVersion . . . . .1381 DirectoryTableBase . .0x00030000 PfnDataBase. . . . . .0x8fe7f000 PsLoadedModuleList . .0x80153dd0 PsActiveProcessHead. .0x80153cc8 MachineImageType . . .i386 NumberProcessors . . .2 BugCheckCode . . . . .0x0000000a BugCheckParameter1 . .0x00000000 BugCheckParameter2 . .0x00000002 BugCheckParameter3 . .0x00000001 BugCheckParameter4 . .0x801304ca ExceptionCode. . . . .0x80000003 ExceptionFlags . . . .0x00000001 ExceptionAddress . . .0x80143e8c NumberOfRuns . . . . .0x3 NumberOfPages. . . . .0xff9d Run #1 BasePage . . . . . .0x1 PageCount. . . . . .0x9e Run #2 BasePage . . . . . .0x100 PageCount. . . . . .0xeff Run #3 BasePage . . . . . .0x1000 PageCount. . . . . .0xf000 This was an IRQL_NOT_LESS_OR_EQUAL one. Here is my output from PSTAT: ModuleName Load Addr Code Data Paged LinkDate ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ntoskrnl.exe 80100000 287424 44032 439232 Mon Oct 12 14:40:36 1998 hal.dll 80001000 25184 4384 9920 Fri Aug 28 17:39:05 1998 atapi.sys 80012000 22400 1088 0 Fri Aug 28 15:39:20 1998 SCSIPORT.SYS 801de000 9792 32 16896 Thu Aug 27 16:35:31 1998 aic78xx.sys 801e7000 57568 5888 0 Tue Jul 01 18:28:20 1997 Disk.sys 80019000 3328 0 7072 Wed Apr 22 14:06:22 1998 CLASS2.SYS 801f8000 7232 0 1696 Thu Oct 15 21:15:43 1998 Cdr4vsd.sys 801fc000 36928 160 0 Wed Oct 29 09:06:09 1997 Ntfs.sys 80206000 68864 5728 276128 Tue Oct 13 12:42:43 1998 (rest snipped, load addr's nowhere near 801) So it seems the closest is ntoskrnl.exe.. Right? Overall, from the error code, we get: Memory referenced: 0x00000000 IRQL: 2 Write Operation Address that memory referenced: 0x801304ca (which is NTOSKRNL.EXE) Now, IRQ 2, from WINNT Diagnostics is this: MPS 1.4 - APIC Platform If I click on properties for that, I get: Resource Owner: MPS 1.4 - APIC Platform Bus Type: Internal Bus Number: 0 Vector: 2 Affinity: 0x00000003 Type: Level Sensitive Share Disposition: Driver Exclusive Now, here is that MEMORY_MANAGEMENT one I got: Filename . . . . . . .memory.dmp Signature. . . . . . .PAGE ValidDump. . . . . . .DUMP MajorVersion . . . . .free system MinorVersion . . . . .1381 DirectoryTableBase . .0x00030000 PfnDataBase. . . . . .0x8fe7f000 PsLoadedModuleList . .0x80153dd0 PsActiveProcessHead. .0x80153cc8 MachineImageType . . .i386 NumberProcessors . . .2 BugCheckCode . . . . .0x0000001a BugCheckParameter1 . .0x00041284 BugCheckParameter2 . .0xa07e9000 BugCheckParameter3 . .0x000015ce BugCheckParameter4 . .0xc0c00000 ExceptionCode. . . . .0x80000003 ExceptionFlags . . . .0x00000001 ExceptionAddress . . .0x8012fac5 NumberOfRuns . . . . .0x3 NumberOfPages. . . . .0xff9d Run #1 BasePage . . . . . .0x1 PageCount. . . . . .0x9e Run #2 BasePage . . . . . .0x100 PageCount. . . . . .0xeff Run #3 BasePage . . . . . .0x1000 PageCount. . . . . .0xf000 I really don't know what to make of this except the possibility of the memory being bad. What do you think? -Alexd
Subject: Re: S1836DLUAN with Dual PII 400 - Constant NT Bluescreens From: spamblock nospam.invalid (Pete the Plumber) Date: 22 Feb 1999 03:47:02 GMT axey |NoSpam|.axe.net (Alex Kremer) wrote: >RS, > >Ok, well, I did all of what you quoted below. Here is what I came up >with: > >One of my bluescreens looked like so (output from dumpchk): >[...] Hi, I've just been going through a major blue screen nightmare with my 1590s with K6-2 350, Matrox G200, and Microsoft Intellipoint PS/2 mouse running NT4 server. The cure was the most bizarre, unlikely thing - essentially a last resort. I was getting blue screens every few days that seemed to be triggered by opening or closing applications. I didn't even think of the mouse connection until later. I was using the standard NT support for the MS PS/2 mouse. The cure? Don't laugh... I installed the Intellipoint drivers from the floppy disk that came with the MS Intellipoint mouse. It's been rock solid ever since. This problem has been affecting me since last December. What clued me in to this was after flashing a new BIOS, repartitioning and reformatting the hard drive, and reinstalling NT... I installed the Matrox drivers. When the screen switched from VGA resolution to high res, I lost the mouse. This made me suspicious that there was some undesirable interaction between the G200 and the PS/2 mouse. And sure enough, there was. Pete
Subject: Re: S1836DLUAN with Dual PII 400 - Constant NT Bluescreens From: maceda pobox.com Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 06:05:48 GMT Several possibilities come to mind. First try changing your front side bus frequency to 66 MHz. This will make your processors run at 266 MHz. If the problems disappear we can almost certainly blame the hardware. If not, then its almost certainly software. Let's suppose that running at 66 MHz cured the BSOD's. Since you had a MEMORY_MANAGEMENT I would first go with the memory: What make do you have (not the individual chips but the DIMM as a whole. i.e. having Micron chips does not warrant PC 100 compliant DIMMs)? If you do not have the maker of the DIMM, then what are the markings on the individual chips? Can you try a DIMM that is currently running without problems at 100 MHz frontal bus speed? If your memory checks OK I would focus on my processors. Download CPUID.EXE from Intel's site run it and compare the results with Intel's database to confirm that you did not get remarked processors. It is very, very usual this days. Last I would check the power source. Get at least 300 W for a Dual setup. Francisco Garcia Maceda maceda pobox.com On Sun, 21 Feb 1999 12:50:11 GMT, axey |NoSpam|.axe.net (Alex Kremer) wrote: >Anyone else having problems with this? The system I've just set up is >essentially bare bones. Here is the config: > >2x PII 400 (Not overclocked) >2x 128MB Dimm's >Matrox Marvel G200 AGP >Seagate Cheetah on SCSI > >Everything else is what's on the board. I've left the default bios >settings (except for the obvious, like boot config et al). System >installed fine with Multi-proc Kernel. However, it just blue screens >at any time and without any specific reason it seems. Sometimes just a >mouse movement will trigger it. Other times it'll blue screen while >switching from one app to another. Then another time it blue-screened >while my browser (IE) started a Java applet. And to top it all off, >sometimes when I'm working in one app, another one will just randomly >crash and generate a Dr. Watson error. Blue Screen messages I've >gotten include: > >KMODE_EXCEPTION_NOT_HANDLED (80159342 has base at 80100000) in >win32k.sys > >IRQL_NOT_LESS_OR_EQUAL (801179A1 has base at 80100000) in ntoskrnl.exe > >MEMORY_MANAGEMENT(0x0000001a,00042284,A07E9000,000015CE,C0C00000)
Subject: 1836DLUAN and 0x9c STOP in NT????? From: Nathan Whitford urbanvisuals.com> Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 20:14:38 -0800 I've just sent the following message to tech support at TYAN, but thought I would include it here, too. So if anyone can help that please do. Okay, here goes. I've just purchased an 1836 DLUAN mb with one 350Mhz P-II. I've got it set up as follows: bios 1.12a G-200 Millenium Video 128 MB Ram 6.2 GB eide HD CD-ROM eide SCSI has CD-R, UW HardDisk, Syjet and Scanner using onboard LAN adapter and Service Pack 4 with NT The error which seems to happen independantly of what I'm doing. I could be using Netscape, Photoshop, or premiere, and it'll happen just the same The text from the 'blue screen' is as follows: The computer has rebooted from a bugcheck. The bugcheck was: 0x0000009c (0x00000003, 0x00000000, 0xf2000000, 0x0002010a). Microsoft Windows NT [v15.1381]. A dump was saved in: C:\WINNT\MEMORY.DMP. MS's Knowledge Base reports that an 0x9c error is one relayed by the OS, and that it is the result of a hardware error or fault reported by the processor. I've seen on the Tyan newsgroup of a couple people claiming the same problem, also on the intel newsgroups, an Intel Tech advised changing the "BIOS Updation" or "Microcode" options in the bios, but the bios for the 1836 seems to have no such options. From what I've seen in the newsgroups, it seems that this error pops up most often on dual processor systems, and although some report that the problems happen only when using two processors, my problem happens when I'm only using one, (I have no second processor, as above). I've Downloaded the most recent bios (1.16a), but have not flashed it yet. Also, the error didn't start happening until 2 weeks after getting the system together. Since then they've been happening at least once a day. Thanks Nathan Whitford Urban Visuals
Subject: Re: 1836DLUAN and 0x9c STOP in NT????? From: jmestes xspammediaone.net (James M. Estes) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 12:39:20 GMT I think the most likely cause for your problem is bad memory. Try running with "safe settings" in the BIOS or remove all but one memory stick to see if the problem recurs. Good luck. Jim E. On Sun, 21 Feb 1999 20:14:38 -0800, Nathan Whitford urbanvisuals.com> wrote: >I've just sent the following message to tech support at TYAN, but >thought I would include it here, too. >So if anyone can help that please do. > >Okay, here goes. I've just purchased an 1836 DLUAN mb with one 350Mhz >P-II. I've got it set up as follows: > >bios 1.12a >G-200 Millenium Video >128 MB Ram >6.2 GB eide HD >CD-ROM eide >SCSI has CD-R, UW HardDisk, Syjet and Scanner >using onboard LAN adapter >and Service Pack 4 with NT > >The error which seems to happen independantly of what I'm doing. I could > >be using Netscape, Photoshop, or premiere, and it'll happen just the >same > >The text from the 'blue screen' is as follows: > >The computer has rebooted from a bugcheck. The bugcheck was: 0x0000009c > >(0x00000003, 0x00000000, 0xf2000000, 0x0002010a). Microsoft Windows NT >[v15.1381]. A dump was saved in: C:\WINNT\MEMORY.DMP. > >MS's Knowledge Base reports that an 0x9c error is one relayed by the OS, > >and that it is the result of a hardware error or fault reported by the >processor. > >I've seen on the Tyan newsgroup of a couple people claiming the same >problem, also on the intel newsgroups, an Intel Tech advised changing >the "BIOS Updation" or "Microcode" options in the bios, but the bios for > >the 1836 seems to have no such options. From what I've seen in the >newsgroups, it seems that this error pops up most often on dual >processor systems, and although some report that the problems happen >only when using two processors, my problem happens when I'm only using >one, (I have no second processor, as above). > >I've Downloaded the most recent bios (1.16a), but have not flashed it >yet. > >Also, the error didn't start happening until 2 weeks after getting the >system together. Since then they've been happening at least once a day. > >Thanks >Nathan Whitford > >Urban Visuals > >
Subject: S1836 and supplied drivers From: Blair Wilson mail.microserve.net> Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 09:20:19 -0500 Question! I just configured Tyan S1836 mobo and PIII 500 MHz. The supplied cdrom that came with mobo; is it mandatory that I install the cd; Either way what apps should I install.; I don't want to cause a problem by installing unnecessary s/w.; If anybody have the similar configuration, let me know your experiences.; Again, thank you in advance. Blair Wilson bwilson mail.microserve.net
Subject: Re: S1836DLUAN with Dual PII 400 - Constant NT Bluescreens - Solved From: axey |NoSpam|.axe.net (Alex Kremer) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 18:16:59 GMT Hi - It seems like I found the culprit. Last time I blue-screened I opened my case and put my 2 dimm's in sockets 3 and 4. Booted, been running BSOD-free ever since (Over 16 hours now - Oh the stability! :) Anyhow, thanks to everyone who helped and responded (especially RS). I really appreciate it! -Alex
Subject: 1836DLUAN Stability From: falbof rl.af.mil (F. Robert Falbo) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 22:08:48 GMT There seem to be a lot of people here that are having stability problems with the Thunder 100 motherboards... especially the DLUAN version, with all the extras. The general opinion expressed in this newsgroup seems to blame the memory, or the BIOS, or some other hardware. Did anyone ever think that it may be poorly written software? Let's face it,... there are lots of places in those tens of millions of lines of code for an error to hide. And using 2 processors complicates the situation even further. What software are most people that are getting errors using?... NT? What about other OSs? Are people complaining that Linux SMP fails on the 1836?... How about OS/2 SMP? Let's not be too quick to blame the hardware unless other software is having problems on it too. Maybe its time to start a database of software/hardware that produces problems on the 1836, like:
=== What speed is it running at? What's the correct CPU speed? What type of memory (mfr/pn/speed/features) is being used. What speed is it being clocked at? What video card is installed? What OS (name/ver/sp) is being used?
=== I wonder where the problem lies. I've been testing an 1836DLUAN on the bench for about a month now, and I've NEVER had a lockup due to hardware... (at least I've never had the OS lockup) Maybe its because I'm only running 333MHZ, and have PC100 memory installed (500MB in 4-128MB sticks)... and maybe its because I use BeOS 4.0 instead of NT 4.0 (well, you never get a BSoD!)... Who knows? Maybe when I go to dual 400s, I'll have the same problems. BTW, I have the luxury of being able to test my DIMMs on a Simcheck II, and the ones I'm using come out a bit iffy at PC100, so 400MHz will be a real challenge! ;) -bob-
Subject: Re: 1836DLUAN Stability From: eyewatch onramp.net (eyewatch) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 03:08:47 GMT On Mon, 22 Feb 1999 22:08:48 GMT, falbof rl.af.mil (F. Robert Falbo) wrote: >There seem to be a lot of people here that are having stability >problems with the Thunder 100 motherboards... especially the DLUAN >version, with all the extras. I am running S1836DLUAN w/Dual PII400's running at 450Mhz on 112Mhz bus, 256MB PC100 SDRAM, Matrox Mystique 220 w/RR(there's a reason for this), Dual 12MB Creative Labs Voodoo2's SLI, etc, etc. The board runs rock solid under Windows 98 and NT4SP4. However, I did experience blue screens and lockups with NT4 only at one point when I went a little to aggressive with memory timings. Also there is a real problem with the SCSI drivers provided with the board and this took a couple of months to resolve before my SCSI devices under NT showed up and this also seemed to solve a problem with the board recognizing my Dual Voodoos but finally they also installed. It is an extremely fast and reliable board but there are some minor issues usually related to drivers that cause weird lockups and blue screens, mostly under NT. I have resolved all these issues so far and have been running it 24/7 crunching through Lightwave and Bryce 3D renders under NT4 pretty much non-stop. The CPU temp hovers around 99.5F but there are no problems otherwise.
Subject: Re: 1836DLUAN Stability From: "William Taylor" yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 06:33:20 GMT Well, other than some WIn98 installation issues with having my SCSI disks on channel B at install time, my DLUAN has been 100% solid. It runs NT4SP4, Win98, BeOS and Linux with no problems: Dual PII/450 384MB Kingston CAS2 PC100 SDRAM 2 IBM Ultrastar 9LP UW disks Plextor 32TSi and PlexWriter 4/12 Diamond Viper550 AGP Voodoo2 SLI AWE64 and SBlive Its a lot more stable than the Intel SE440BX it replaced.
Subject: Re: 1836DLUAN Stability From: "Urs Steiner" maximilianeum.ch> Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 09:18:08 +0100 William Taylor wrote in message ... >Well, other than some WIn98 installation issues with having my SCSI disks on >channel B at install time, Hi there, that sounds interesting ... I'm having trouble installing Win98 (mostly SCSI) and i boot from my channel B ... so how did you resolve this problem? Many Thanks ... Urs -- mail: urs [dot] steiner [at] switzerland [dot] org http://www.vis.ethz.ch/~urs/ phone: 01/261 57 26 Ring around the collar.
Subject: Re: 1836DLUAN Stability From: mmayhle crl.com (Mark Mayhle) Date: 23 Feb 1999 19:23:27 -0800 In article <7atobj$9qg$1 news.eunet.ch>, "Urs Steiner" maximilianeum.ch> wrote: >William Taylor wrote in message ... >>Well, other than some WIn98 installation issues with having my SCSI disks on >>channel B at install time, >Hi there, that sounds interesting ... >I'm having trouble installing Win98 (mostly SCSI) and i boot from my channel >B ... >so how did you resolve this problem? Try putting the drive on Channel A for the install; you can switch it to B later (remember to set the SCSI BIOS to boot from Channel B when you make the switch). -- -- Mark Mayhle mmayhle crl.com (preferred address) mmayhle netcom.com (please use only if mail to crl.com bounces)
Subject: Re: 1836DLUAN Stability From: "Urs Steiner" maximilianeum.ch> Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 13:00:41 +0100 yep it already did that this morning ... and it works ... but i think TYAN or MS could at least mention this somewhere, it wasn't much fun ... now i only have to get my WinTV running in Win98 (in WinNT it does), but that seems to be an IRQ problem, so replugging the cards a bit should work there Thanks once more Urs -- mail: urs [dot] steiner [at] switzerland [dot] org http://www.vis.ethz.ch/~urs/
Subject: Re: 1836DLUAN Stability From: "William Taylor" yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 00:42:17 GMT Thats exactly what I had to do. Only Win98 had this problem. NT and Linux installed fine on ChannelB. Interestingly WIn98 would hang up after the first reboot during the installation process in the aic78xx.vxd driver. After the installation completed, it never had a problem. Go figure. WT
Subject: Re: 1836DLUAN Stability - BEOS info? From: sflaxa hotmail.com Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 14:00:54 GMT Hello from Italy, I do agree with you Robert : my S1836DLUAN is perfectly STABLE. I've never seen a single "Blue Screen Of Death" in my NT4 Server Build 1381 + SP4 configuration. I consider the S1836 the only component above all suspicion of my entire system. When some problem occurs, either I'm wrong or an additional device is misconfigured or there's a bad driver. Never had problems with SDRAM, even if I mixed different kinds (and different speeds!) of PC100 DIMM's. Like you, I'm using the S1836 with 2 processors and the BUS at 66MHz.. ..I don't know if things could change at 100MHz+, but something tells me everything would be alright the same. Now, a question : Could you tell me anything more about the BEOS OS, please? I have am extra 2.1Gb UDMA33 HD to fill with something and I was very curious about BEOS...Does it support the SMP well? And..what applications are available? Internet connection? Where to find it? Well, thank you for the information! Gianluca sunflux geocities.com
Subject: Re: 1836DLUAN Stability - BEOS info? From: mmayhle crl.com (Mark Mayhle) Date: 23 Feb 1999 19:23:36 -0800 sflaxa hotmail.com wrote: > Now, a question : Could you tell me anything more about > the BEOS OS, please? > I have am extra 2.1Gb UDMA33 HD > to fill with something and I was very curious > about BEOS...Does it support the SMP well? Yes, BeOS supports SMP from the ground up. Multithreaded, multitasking, memory protection, etc etc. And you're especially in luck with an 1836DLUAN because the hardware support list for BeOS is not too huge just yet, but ALL the onboard goodies are supported! > And..what applications are available? Apps are pretty meager but Be is focusing on the media side of things (audio and video, graphics)-- a large number of the premier audio hardware and software vendors recently announced support so good things should be happening. In the meantime, go ahead and install it on your extra HD (2.1 gig is _plenty_; it's got a small footprint) and get to know it! > Internet connection? It comes with its own browser; Netscape/Mozilla and Opera ports are coming. Hooking up to the net is generally very easy. Windows networking clients should also be here shortly. > Where to find it? www.be.com, comp.sys.be.* -- Mark Mayhle mmayhle crl.com mmayhle netcom.com (please use if mail to crl.com bounces)
Subject: Re: 1836DLUAN Stability - BEOS info? From: falbof rl.af.mil (F. Robert Falbo) Date: 27 Feb 99 01:07:24 GMT On Thu, 25 Feb 1999 18:30:59, sflaxa hotmail.com wrote: >you really convinced me to try it on my S1836DLUAN. >I just have to decide WHEN. >http://www.be.com sells the R4.0 at 69$ at the moment >and it seems a good price, above all if this OS >can handle 2 processors with the described efficacy. >Be Software defines it as a "multimedia OS" and this's >encouraging. My audiocard is (though partially) supported, BeOS 4.0 has been rock solid on the s1836DLUAN. The on-board Vibra16x, while not supported "out of the box" is supported by an SB2 driver available from Be's site. OpenGL hardware accel. support should be in BeOS 4.1, due about the end of March, and it should be free to anyone who buys 4.0. >But, maybe, it could be better to wait for this >nice OS to be mature. What do you think? I almost have enough applications in Be not to have to use Windows. What Be needs most right now is applications, but they also need JAVA, which should be out this Summer. -bob- __________________________________________________________ F. Robert Falbo | TheRef(tm) Drive & Controller Guide OS/2 & BeOS | http://theref.aquascape.com/theref.html
Subject: Re: 1836DLUAN Stability - BEOS info? From: falbof rl.af.mil (F. Robert Falbo) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 18:51:29 GMT On Tue, 23 Feb 1999 14:00:54 GMT, sflaxa hotmail.com wrote: > Now, a question : Could you tell me anything more about the BEOS OS, please? > ...Does it support the SMP well? BeOS uses both processors very well, being designed to take full advantage of 2 processors. The built-in monitor (Pulse) shows how each CPU is doing, and you can turn the second CPU on & off on the fly. > And..what applications are available? Applications for the x86 version of BeOSare a bit on the scarce side right now, but some of the basic stuff is already there. (BeOS changed between v3.2 & v4.0, which broke all applications designed for the x86 version) I have 2 productivity suites (Word Proc., Spreadsheet, Drawing), 2 mail programs, a newsreader, a graphical FTP program, an a TV-card program, a File Manager program, and an HTML editor. BeOS comes with it's own Browser, but there are 2 more in the works. >Internet connection? While BeOS does have PAP dial-up support, it does not yet support MS-CHAP, which many people require. Its actual networking does work very well, but a limited number NICs are currently supported. > Where to find it? Go to Be's website at http://www.be.com. There you'll find info on where to get a copy or demo. This version of BeOS has only been available since December, so things are still comming together. Every BeOS CDRom contains Development tools. Ciao! -bob-
Subject: S1836DLUAN BX Board 1.16 BIOS problems with IRQs From: "Kalle" telia.com> Date: 26 Feb 1999 07:45:02 -0600 I get IRQs like 24,80,90,32 showing up on my installed PCI cards. I got this after flashing to the new 1.16a BIOS. I did reset the CMOS on the board also to clear the settings after i flashed it. Anyone else got this problem?
Subject: Re: S1836DLUAN BX Board 1.16 BIOS problems with IRQs From: "Tom" nabi.net> Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 14:57:22 GMT I am also interested in an answer to this question as I just downloaded BIOS ver. 1.16. I would call tyan tech support to ask but I've only got 3 weeks of vacation banked at work. :-| By the way DVD, have you had any other problems with the new bios rev.? I have heard that from time to time, bios manuf. put out a bad bios update that screws things up. Hoping that is not the case here. -Tom
Subject: Re: S1836DLUAN BX Board 1.16 BIOS problems with IRQs From: "Michael Loehle" inka.de> Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 11:49:58 +0100 I have the same problems with my 1636DLUAN GX Board and the Bios 1.16a. System: 2 Pentium II 350, 512 MB RAM, Diamond Viper 550, IBM Ultrastar 18XP DGHS 18,2 GB, Plextor UltraPlex 32 Dual Boot Win NT4 + SP4 with Win98 with Tyan 98 Patch, in a FAT partition, While became problems after flashing bios,i'm formating the system and no other cards in the slots. Now my IRQ for the onboard Intel netware controller is 68, the IRQ for the SCSI controller is 72 and 73. The system-diagnose-report in german:
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======= Microsoft-Diagnosebericht für\\ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Betriebssystem-Versionsbericht ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Microsoft (R) Windows NT (TM) Workstation Version 4.0 (Build 1381: Service Pack 4) x86 Multiprocessor Free ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Systembericht ---------------------------------------------------------------------- System: AT/AT COMPATIBLE Hardware-Abstraktionsschicht: MPS 1.4 - APIC platform BIOS-Datum: 07/15/95 BIOS-Version: Prozessorliste: 0: x86 Family 6 Model 5 Stepping 2 GenuineIntel ~350 Mhz 1: x86 Family 6 Model 5 Stepping 2 GenuineIntel ~350 Mhz ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Videoanzeigebericht ---------------------------------------------------------------------- BIOS-Datum: 09/21/98 BIOS-Version: [Diamond Viper V550 Version 1.94E4820 Adapter: Einstellung: 1280 x 1024 x 32 Bits/Pixel 85 Hz Typ: dimd_nv4-kompatible Grafikkarte Bezeichung: Diamond Viper V550 Series Speicher: 16 MB Chip-Typ: nVidia Riva TNT DAC-Typ: 250 MHz (integrated) Treiber: Lieferant: Datei(en): dimd_nv4.sys, dimd_nv4.dll Version: , 4.0.0 Laufwerksbericht ---------------------------------------------------------------------- C:\ (Lokal - FAT) WIN98_NT4 Insgesamt: 2.096.160 KB, Frei: 1.036.800 KB D:\ (Lokal - FAT) WIN98PROG Insgesamt: 2.096.160 KB, Frei: 2.072.416 KB E:\ (Lokal - FAT) WINNTPROG Insgesamt: 2.096.160 KB, Frei: 2.081.664 KB F:\ (Lokal - FAT) DATEN Insgesamt: 2.096.160 KB, Frei: 1.204.352 KB G:\ (Lokal - FAT) Insgesamt: 2.096.160 KB, Frei: 1.944.032 KB H:\ (Lokal - NTFS) NT-Daten Insgesamt: 2.096.450 KB, Frei: 1.906.748 KB I:\ (Lokal - NTFS) NT-Daten2 Insgesamt: 5.341.580 KB, Frei: 5.337.072 KB Speicherbericht ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Handles: 1.029 Threads: 101 Prozesse: 17 Realer Speicher (KB) Insgesamt: 523.696 Verfügbar: 473.360 Datei-Cache: 10.616 IRQ- und Anschlußbericht ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Geräte Vektor Ebene Affinität ---------------------------------------------------------------------- MPS 1.4 - APIC platform 8 8 0x00000003 MPS 1.4 - APIC platform 0 0 0x00000003 MPS 1.4 - APIC platform 1 1 0x00000003 MPS 1.4 - APIC platform 2 2 0x00000003 MPS 1.4 - APIC platform 3 3 0x00000003 MPS 1.4 - APIC platform 4 4 0x00000003 MPS 1.4 - APIC platform 5 5 0x00000003 MPS 1.4 - APIC platform 6 6 0x00000003 MPS 1.4 - APIC platform 7 7 0x00000003 MPS 1.4 - APIC platform 8 8 0x00000003 MPS 1.4 - APIC platform 9 9 0x00000003 MPS 1.4 - APIC platform 10 10 0x00000003 MPS 1.4 - APIC platform 11 11 0x00000003 MPS 1.4 - APIC platform 12 12 0x00000003 MPS 1.4 - APIC platform 13 13 0x00000003 MPS 1.4 - APIC platform 14 14 0x00000003 MPS 1.4 - APIC platform 15 15 0x00000003 MPS 1.4 - APIC platform 16 16 0x00000003 MPS 1.4 - APIC platform 17 17 0x00000003 MPS 1.4 - APIC platform 18 18 0x00000003 MPS 1.4 - APIC platform 19 19 0x00000003 MPS 1.4 - APIC platform 20 20 0x00000003 MPS 1.4 - APIC platform 21 21 0x00000003 MPS 1.4 - APIC platform 22 22 0x00000003 MPS 1.4 - APIC platform 23 23 0x00000003 MPS 1.4 - APIC platform 24 24 0x00000003 MPS 1.4 - APIC platform 25 25 0x00000003 MPS 1.4 - APIC platform 26 26 0x00000003 MPS 1.4 - 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APIC platform 225 225 0x00000003 MPS 1.4 - APIC platform 253 253 0x00000003 MPS 1.4 - APIC platform 254 254 0x00000003 MPS 1.4 - APIC platform 255 255 0x00000003 l8042prt 1 1 0xffffffff l8042prt 12 12 0xffffffff Serial 4 4 0x00000000 Serial 3 3 0x00000000 E100B 68 68 0x00000000 Floppy 6 6 0x00000000 sndblst 178 5 0x00000003 aic78xx 72 72 0x00000000 aic78xx 73 73 0x00000000 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Geräte Physische Adresse Länge ---------------------------------------------------------------------- MPS 1.4 - APIC platform 0x00000000 0x0000000010 MPS 1.4 - APIC platform 0x00000020 0x0000000002 MPS 1.4 - APIC platform 0x00000040 0x0000000004 MPS 1.4 - APIC platform 0x00000048 0x0000000004 MPS 1.4 - APIC platform 0x00000061 0x0000000001 MPS 1.4 - APIC platform 0x00000070 0x0000000002 MPS 1.4 - APIC platform 0x00000080 0x0000000010 MPS 1.4 - APIC platform 0x00000092 0x0000000001 MPS 1.4 - APIC platform 0x000000a0 0x0000000002 MPS 1.4 - APIC platform 0x000000c0 0x0000000010 MPS 1.4 - APIC platform 0x000000f0 0x0000000010 l8042prt 0x00000060 0x0000000001 l8042prt 0x00000064 0x0000000001 Parport 0x00000378 0x0000000003 Serial 0x000003f8 0x0000000007 Serial 0x000002f8 0x0000000007 E100B 0x0000ef40 0x000000001e Floppy 0x000003f0 0x0000000006 Floppy 0x000003f7 0x0000000001 sndblst 0x00000224 0x000000000c sndblst 0x00000220 0x0000000004 aic78xx 0x0000e400 0x0000000100 aic78xx 0x0000e800 0x0000000100 VgaSave 0x000003b0 0x000000000c VgaSave 0x000003c0 0x0000000020 VgaSave 0x000001ce 0x0000000002 DMA- und Speicherbericht ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Geräte Kanal Anschluß ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Floppy 2 0 sndblst 3 0 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Geräte Physische Adresse Länge ---------------------------------------------------------------------- MPS 1.4 - APIC platform 0xfec00000 0x00000400 MPS 1.4 - APIC platform 0xfee00000 0x00000400 E100B 0xfc4ff000 0x0000001e aic78xx 0xfebfe000 0x00001000 aic78xx 0xfebff000 0x00001000 dimd_nv4 0xfd000000 0x01000000 dimd_nv4 0xf3000000 0x01000000 VgaSave 0x000a0000 0x00020000
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The problems did't disappear after flashing Bios 1.12a. I've allways reset the CMOS and plug off the powercord. After checking the Adaptec Bios 1.32 appear the following PCI-Devices: PCI Onboard PCI Bridge PCI Onboard Bridge Device PCI Onboard USB Contoller, IRQ 11 PCI Onboard IDE PCI Onboard PCI Bridge PCI SLOT 4 Ethernet, IRQ 11 PCI Slot 3 SCSI, IRQ 10 PCI Slot 3 SCSI, IRQ 10 PCI Bridge VGA, IRQ 10 Thats under NT 4.0 with SP4. In Win 98 I've got the same problems, after installing the patch from TYAN for Win98 and the Intel GX chipset it looks better normal IRQ's and some IRQ-conflicts.
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======= [Konflikte/Freigabe] IRQ 9 IRQ-Holder für PCI-Steuerung IRQ 10 Adaptec AHA-2940U/UW Dual/AHA-394xAU/AUW/AUWD PCI SCSI Controller IRQ 10 Adaptec AHA-2940U/UW Dual/AHA-394xAU/AUW/AUWD PCI SCSI Controller IRQ 10 Diamond Viper V550 for Windows 98 IRQ 10 IRQ-Holder für PCI-Steuerung IRQ 11 Intel 82558-based Integrated Ethernet with Wake on LAN IRQ 11 Intel 82371AB/EB PCI/USB Universal Host Controller IRQ 11 IRQ-Holder für PCI-Steuerung [DMA] 1 Creative Sound Blaster 16 Plug & Play 2 Standard-Diskettenlaufwerk-Controller 3 Creative Sound Blaster 16 Plug & Play 4 DMA-Controller 0 (frei) 5 (frei) 6 (frei) 7 (frei) [E/A] x0000 - x000F DMA-Controller x0010 - x001F Motherboard-Ressourcen x0020 - x0021 Programmierbarer Interrupt-Controller x0022 - x003F Motherboard-Ressourcen x0040 - x0043 Systemzeitgeber x0050 - x0052 Motherboard-Ressourcen x0060 - x0060 Standard (101/102 Tasten) oder Microsoft Natural Keyboard x0061 - x0061 Systemlautsprecher x0064 - x0064 Standard (101/102 Tasten) oder Microsoft Natural Keyboard x0070 - 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xF3BB Alias of Diamond Viper V550 for Windows 98 xF3C0 - xF3DF Alias of Diamond Viper V550 for Windows 98 xF7B0 - xF7BB Alias of Diamond Viper V550 for Windows 98 xF7C0 - xF7DF Alias of Diamond Viper V550 for Windows 98 xFBB0 - xFBBB Alias of Diamond Viper V550 for Windows 98 xFBC0 - xFBDF Alias of Diamond Viper V550 for Windows 98 xFFB0 - xFFBB Alias of Diamond Viper V550 for Windows 98 xFFC0 - xFFDF Alias of Diamond Viper V550 for Windows 98 [IRQs] 0 Systemzeitgeber 1 Standard (101/102 Tasten) oder Microsoft Natural Keyboard 2 Programmierbarer Interrupt-Controller 3 COM-Anschluss (COM2) 4 COM-Anschluss (COM1) 5 Creative Sound Blaster 16 Plug & Play 6 Standard-Diskettenlaufwerk-Controller 7 Druckeranschluss (LPT1) 8 CMOS-/Echtzeitsystemuhr 9 IRQ-Holder für PCI-Steuerung 10 Adaptec AHA-2940U/UW Dual/AHA-394xAU/AUW/AUWD PCI SCSI Controller 10 Adaptec AHA-2940U/UW Dual/AHA-394xAU/AUW/AUWD PCI SCSI Controller 10 Diamond Viper V550 for Windows 98 10 IRQ-Holder für PCI-Steuerung 11 Intel 82558-based Integrated Ethernet with Wake on LAN 11 Intel 82371AB/EB PCI/USB Universal Host Controller 11 IRQ-Holder für PCI-Steuerung 12 WheelMouse2 (PS/2) 13 Numerischer Coprozessor 14 (frei) 15 (frei) [Arbeitsspeicher] x00000000 - 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======= I can't reserve a other IRQ (like 15) for the SCSI controller, the IDE-controller is deaktivated in the bios. When other cards plugged in they will get on IRQ 10 and 11. Is there a problem with the SCSI-controller and his own bios? Must TYAN deliver a patch for NT4.0 like the patch for Win98? Have my mainboard a defect? I can't spend more time with the system, please help! Thanks for your posts. Michael
Subject: Shutdown and switch off under NT4(SVP4) with S1836DLUAN (Bios AMI V 1.16)? From: Karl-Heinz.Lintz t-online.de (Karl-Heinz Lintz) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 06:16:50 +0100 Hello Users! I have just read about shuting down NT 4.0 (SVP 4) and switch off the computer with ATX V 2.01 compatible mainboards with ACPI 2.0 complient Bios. It should be able by changing registry and changing bios entrys. So I Have a Tyan S1836DLUAN Board with AMI-Bios V 1.16 and Dual P II with SCSI harddrives. Does anyone knows about to enable this feature and how to get it? thanks a lot in advance! please,you also can contact: khlintz gmx.de
Subject: S1836DLUAN und FritzCard PCI Treiber V 3.06-12 From: Karl-Heinz.Lintz t-online.de (Karl-Heinz Lintz) Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 18:28:45 +0100 Hello Users! Habe da ein Problem mit dem Tyan S1836DLUAN (AmiBios V 1.16 und einer eingebauten FritzCard-PCI ISDN-Karte unter NT 4.0 (SVP4). Die Treiber Version der Capi 2.0 ist V 3.06-12. Die Grafikkarte ist eine Elsa Erazor II mit RivaTNT-Chipsatz. Das Problem: Des oefteren ein BlueScreen mit IRQL_LESS_OR_NOT_EQUAL haupsaechlich waehrend Online-Sitzungen Die Karte belegt auf dem PCI-Bus IRQ 10 zusammen mit AIC7895(PCI) und der Ethernet-Schnittstelle (PCI). Kennt jemand dieses Problem oder weiss Abhilfe? Vielen Dank! MFG karl-heinz.lintz t-online.de
Subject: Re: S1836DLUAN und FritzCard PCI Treiber V 3.06-12 From: eyewatch onramp.net (eyewatch) Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 01:21:06 GMT I don't believe EVERYONE should have to speak English but it does help soooo........Here I'll give it a stab at translating.... >In article <7bh7u9$v09$1 news05.btx.dtag.de>, > Karl-Heinz.Lintz t-online.de (Karl-Heinz Lintz) wrote: >> Hello Users! >> >> Habe da ein Problem mit dem Tyan S1836DLUAN (AmiBios V 1.16 und einer >> eingebauten FritzCard-PCI ISDN-Karte unter NT 4.0 (SVP4). Die Treiber >> Version der Capi 2.0 ist V 3.06-12. I have a problem with my Tyan S1836DLUAN(AmiBios V 1.16 and the FritzCard-PCI ISDN-card under NT4.0 (SVP4). The (something) version of (something) 2.0 v3.06-12 >> >> Die Grafikkarte ist eine Elsa Erazor II mit RivaTNT-Chipsatz. My graphics card is the Elsa Erazor II w/Riva TNT chipset. >> >> Das Problem: Des oefteren ein BlueScreen mit IRQL_LESS_OR_NOT_EQUAL >> haupsaechlich waehrend Online-Sitzungen The problem is that after awhile (or something) I get a BLUE SCREEN with the message [IRQ_LESS_OR_NOT_EQUAL.....something, something and (I think it) happens when negotiating an online session. >> >> Die Karte belegt auf dem PCI-Bus IRQ 10 zusammen mit AIC7895(PCI) und der >> Ethernet-Schnittstelle (PCI). The card is PCI-Bus using IRQ 10 and I'm using AIC7895(PCI) "drivers" under Ethernet...something(PCI) >> >> Kennt jemand dieses Problem oder weiss Abhilfe? Can someone help with this problem, or something, something, yada yada.. >> >> Vielen Dank! Thanks >> MFG >> karl-heinz.lintz t-online.de The only advise I can give you Karl is forgive my translation I don't speak German or whatever that was but you could make sure that IRQ steering is set to AUTO under your BIOS settings and see if it's able to renogotiate the settings of your FritzCard. Or your FritzCard is set for a particular IRQ and insists on using it and crashing into another device. In which case find out what it is and reset the other device to a different IRQ. You will have to disable AUTO IRQ steering and set your IRQ's manually in the BIOS. Sometimes just MOVING the card to another PCI slot will straighten things out so try this first, since it's the easiest thing to do. Good Luck Karl PS. Funny how BLUE SCREEN is a Universal Language...hehe
Subject: Re: S1836DLUAN und FritzCard PCI Treiber V 3.06-12 From: "Urs Steiner" maximilianeum.ch> Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 11:21:29 +0100 Eyewatch wrote in message >>> Habe da ein Problem mit dem Tyan S1836DLUAN (AmiBios V 1.16 und einer >>> eingebauten FritzCard-PCI ISDN-Karte unter NT 4.0 (SVP4). Die Treiber >>> Version der Capi 2.0 ist V 3.06-12. >I have a problem with my Tyan S1836DLUAN(AmiBios V 1.16 and the >FritzCard-PCI ISDN-card under NT4.0 (SVP4). The (something) version of treiber=driver >(something) 2.0 v3.06-12 capi=capi (telephony interface) >The problem is that after awhile (or something) I get a BLUE SCREEN not after a while, but: des oefteren=engl. often, a lot of times >with the message [IRQ_LESS_OR_NOT_EQUAL.....something, something and mostly when being online >(I think it) happens when negotiating an online session. near miss :) >>> Die Karte belegt auf dem PCI-Bus IRQ 10 zusammen mit AIC7895(PCI) und der >>> Ethernet-Schnittstelle (PCI). >The card is PCI-Bus using IRQ 10 and I'm using AIC7895(PCI) "drivers" >under Ethernet...something(PCI) and the ethernet port on the mobo >>> Kennt jemand dieses Problem oder weiss Abhilfe? >Can someone help with this problem, or something, something, yada >yada.. yep, that's correct :) >The only advise I can give you Karl is forgive my translation I don't >speak German or whatever that was yep, german is right :=) >PS. Funny how BLUE SCREEN is a Universal Language...hehe :=) Urs
Subject: Re: S1836DLUAN und FritzCard PCI Treiber V 3.06-12 From: eyewatch onramp.net (eyewatch) Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 17:50:07 GMT THANKS URS! I must admit I had an amusing time trying to figure out Karls message. I just hope ole Karl wasn't to insulted, it was done in good humor as I see you got it. Some of my translations where just to riduculous to post like... >>>> Kennt jemand dieses Problem oder weiss Abhilfe? I orginally translated as: Can anyone help with this problem, otherwise have a nice life. and... >> Ethernet-Schnittstelle (PCI). as Internet-Weiner.. hehehe
Subject: Re: S1836DLUAN und FritzCard PCI Treiber V 3.06-12 From: "Urs Steiner" maximilianeum.ch> Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 21:52:42 +0100 eyewatch wrote in message <36dd73f5.297243070 news.onramp.net>... >THANKS URS! no prob ... >Some of my translations where just to riduculous to post like... >>>>> Kennt jemand dieses Problem oder weiss Abhilfe? >I orginally translated as: Can anyone help with this problem, >otherwise have a nice life. grin :) >and... >>> Ethernet-Schnittstelle (PCI). >as Internet-Weiner.. well, this leaves for me just one question open as non-native english speaker from europe .... what the devil ist w**** ? Urs
Subject: Re: S1836DLUAN und FritzCard PCI Treiber V 3.06-12 From: eyewatch onramp.net (eyewatch) Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 21:45:33 GMT >>and... >>>> Ethernet-Schnittstelle (PCI). >>as Internet-Weiner.. > > >well, this leaves for me just one question open as non-native english >speaker from europe .... > >what the devil ist w**** ? Not sure if I spelled it right but a weiner to us Yanks is like a small sausage that goes inside a Hot Dog or sometimes people are called "weiners, weenies" if they are like geeky or prick-like. Some guys may also refer to their penis as their "weiner or prick" thus the connection...it's all to confusing. Later, URS
Subject: Re: 75 MHz Jumper for S1836DLU?? From: Norbert Goebel uni-duesseldorf.de> Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 00:08:48 +0100 Brian Proulx wrote: > > Is this possible??? too bad there is no voltage tweaking... No jumper for this, but the FSB is Bios-selectable, but you will get an annoying message at startup you have to pass, because 75 MHz is not the default FSB of the CPU. Voltage tweaking is possible via pin covering, my Celeron 300A runs fine and really stable at 450 MHz and 2.2V Core.
Subject: 1836DLUAN: AIC-7895 fw flashable?? From: bergmania my-dejanews.com Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 12:15:05 GMT Just a stupid q: Is the scsi firmware flashable..??!
Subject: Re: 1836DLUAN: AIC-7895 fw flashable?? From: sratakeo aol.comdie (SRATakeo) Date: 3 Mar 1999 15:29:39 GMT Yeah, every time you upgrade the mainboard BIOS it also upgrades the SCSI BIOS.
Subject: Re: 1836DLUAN: AIC-7895 fw flashable?? From: bergmania my-dejanews.com Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 21:47:56 GMT Hmmm I wrote firmware.. :-) I suspected that the SCSI bios was upgradable but I was wondering 'bout the firmware.. as there are a 1.34 on adaptec's web and my version is 1.32 :-) But im not THAT brave to try to flash with it..
Subject: Re: Tyan S1836DLUAN External SCSI Support From: jdyoung m486.young (Joel Young) Date: 3 Mar 1999 22:22:31 GMT In article <7bjvmq$h45$1 nnrp1.dejanews.com>, jmmarks my-dejanews.com writes: > I've recently purchased a Tyan S1836DLUAN as the foundation of a power > system. I thought that I had read somewhere that you have to use proprietary > Tyan SCSI cables. Is this true? How do I deal with external SCSI devices? It is not true that you have to use proprietary Tyan SCSI cables. Here is my cabling for the Tyan 1836 DLUAN, which has proven very stable since I switched from computer show cables: Bus 0: 50Pin connector using cable shipped with MOBO to external 50 pin high density bulkhead to generic external 50 pin high density cable to 50 pin SCSI-1 connector to external DAT drive to SCSI-1 active terminator. 68Pin connector to Micro Quick Twist internal cable to 68 pin to 50 pin internal adapter with Active Negation to Teac 32x SCSI-2 CDROM drive with active termination enabled. Bus 1: 68Pin connector to 68pin cable shipped with MOBO to IBM UW 9.1 GB drive with active termination enabled. The Micro Quick Twist cable is awesome. It is twisted pair cable rather than ribbon cable so you can route it through the case very easily. It is available from http://www.cableseast.com/ They made and shipped the cable (and my terminators/connectors) on the day I ordered with only $8 fee for two day air. The cable had a pin by pin test report with it. If you are in the market for SCSI cables/terminators/connectors, I recommend you check cables east out. BTW, I am running a dual PII system OCed to 504Mhz (112Mhz FSB). The drives are stable at very heavy multiuser system load (load factor of 30-50 under linux 2.2.) The drives are in constant use. Joel Young jyoung erols.com
Subject: Re: Tyan S1836DLUAN External SCSI Support From: mmayhle crl.com (Mark Mayhle) Date: 4 Mar 1999 23:50:35 -0800 In article <7bkcn7$16q$1 winter.news.rcn.net>, jdyoung m486.young (Joel Young) wrote: >It is not true that you have to use proprietary Tyan SCSI cables. Here is my >cabling for the Tyan 1836 DLUAN, which has proven very stable since I switched >from computer show cables: > >Bus 0: >50Pin connector using cable shipped with MOBO to external 50 pin high >density bulkhead to generic external 50 pin high density cable to 50 pin >SCSI-1 connector to external DAT drive to SCSI-1 active terminator. > >68Pin connector to Micro Quick Twist internal cable to 68 pin to 50 pin >internal adapter with Active Negation to Teac 32x SCSI-2 CDROM drive with >active termination enabled. > >Bus 1: > >68Pin connector to 68pin cable shipped with MOBO to IBM UW 9.1 GB drive >with active termination enabled. Well, you already answered the question I had, I guess, but I'll put it explicitly just for confirmation: From your configuration, I take it as a given that it's OK to use both the 50 and 68 pin connectors of Channel A simultaneously? I currently have an UW HD and 50-pin DVD-ROM connected to Channel A, using an internal 68 pin cable with multiple connectors, one of which is connected to the DVD-ROM with a 68-to-50 pin adapter (not an Adaptec proprietary one, BTW, regarding the previous question from someone else). Would I gain (or lose) anything by connecting the HD to the mobo by itself with a 68 pin cable, and the DVD-ROM by itself with a 50 pin cable? (The Channel B 68 pin connector goes to my UW boot drive). -- -- Mark Mayhle mmayhle crl.com (preferred address) mmayhle netcom.com (please use only if mail to crl.com bounces)
Subject: S1836DLUAN & CL TNT (AGP) From: gstrom easoftware.com (Gregory J. Strom) Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 22:14:15 -0500 I've got a S1836DLUAN configured as follows: BIOS - V1.12 2 - P2/400MHz 256M RAM No IDE - ATAPI CD-ROM Micropolis 9G UW SCSI OS - dual-boot NTW4 SP3 and W98 CL TNT AGP video card w/16M I purchased the CL TNT card especially to play 3D games under W98. The card works just fine in both OS's in 2D. Starting a 3D game in W98 hangs the system - hardware re-set or power cycle off/on is the only way out. Forsaken, Half-Life, Incoming, Descent 3 demo and Falcon 4 all exhibit the same behavior. I've run the gamut of CL tech support without success. I've tried several flavors of the NVIDIA & CL drivers to no avail. Has anyone gotten this combination of mobo and video card to work in 3D? Any suggestions re: mobo BIOS or video card settings welcome. -- Engineered Applications Software, Inc.
Subject: Re: S1836DLUAN & CL TNT (AGP) From: bergmania my-dejanews.com Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 10:38:36 GMT > I purchased the CL TNT card especially to play 3D games under W98. The > card works just fine in both OS's in 2D. Starting a 3D game in W98 hangs > the system - hardware re-set or power cycle off/on is the only way out. > > Forsaken, Half-Life, Incoming, Descent 3 demo and Falcon 4 all exhibit > the same behavior. I've run the gamut of CL tech support without > success. I've tried several flavors of the NVIDIA & CL drivers to no > avail. > > Has anyone gotten this combination of mobo and video card to work in 3D? > Any suggestions re: mobo BIOS or video card settings welcome. I had the same problems with a Diamond Viper550.. I solved it by exchanging the Viper for a Banshee board.. :-) But you may want to flash the bios on the 1836 up to 1.16 as I borrowed a MGA G200 card and tested if it was the mobo together with a AGPx2 gfx card that was bad.. But the G200 performed as it should so my conclusion was that there something strange with the TNT chipset.. or maybe the mobo doesn't deliver enuff power to the TNT.. or something like that.. anyway I think I made the right swap cause EAW looks just great under GLIDE at 1024x768.. sure its "only" in 16bit color.. Dan -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own
Subject: Re: S1836DLUAN & CL TNT (AGP) From: "William Taylor" yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 06 Mar 1999 22:32:51 GMT I had this problem with my Viper550 AGP. My system would lock hard whenever I tried to access any 3D feature of the card. What happens is that Win98 has not correctly identified the AGP to XEON processor (Its says Xeon no matter what) bridge in the 440GX chipset. Your 1836 came with a CD that includes and INF update patch for Win98. You need to install the drivers for the card and then install the patch. Win98 will then be able to correctly ID the AGP bridge that the GX chipset uses. If you install the INF update before installing an AGP driver the OS will incorrectly use the standard AGP to Processor bridge and won't work. FWIW, after installing in the correct order my system has run with zero problems with an Viper550 AGP. WT Gregory J. Strom wrote in message ... >I've got a S1836DLUAN configured as follows: > >BIOS - V1.12 >2 - P2/400MHz >256M RAM >No IDE - ATAPI CD-ROM >Micropolis 9G UW SCSI >OS - dual-boot NTW4 SP3 and W98 >CL TNT AGP video card w/16M > >I purchased the CL TNT card especially to play 3D games under W98. The >card works just fine in both OS's in 2D. Starting a 3D game in W98 hangs >the system - hardware re-set or power cycle off/on is the only way out. > >Forsaken, Half-Life, Incoming, Descent 3 demo and Falcon 4 all exhibit >the same behavior. I've run the gamut of CL tech support without >success. I've tried several flavors of the NVIDIA & CL drivers to no >avail. > >Has anyone gotten this combination of mobo and video card to work in 3D? >Any suggestions re: mobo BIOS or video card settings welcome. >-- >Engineered Applications Software, Inc.
Subject: 1836DLU FSB Speed setting from software From: tmtan SPAMFREE.tm.net.my (Meng) Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 03:24:41 GMT Hi All I found a potentially extremely cool program at this web site http://www2.tky.3web.ne.jp/~nrklv/index_e.html Its called SoftFSB and could allow you to modify your system FSB (Front Side Bus - in case anyone asks) clock from win95 on the fly. Unfortunately, no Tyan boards are listed. Alternatively, you can specify the PLL (Phase Locked Loop?) clock generator chip type which generates the FSB clock. Imagine the possibilities .... system startup at default CPU speed (so no dumb Tyan press any key warning message) then kick in the overclocking after that :). WARNING : selecting the wrong PLL is not a good idea (I tried one at random and my system locked up something nasty, which needed a hard power down....reset and soft power didn't work).... SO, that brings me to my point, what the heck PLL chip does the 1836 DLU use ? Otherwise, can someone point me to which part of the m/b does this beastie reside so I can have a look at it ? Cheers Meng
Subject: S1836overclocking with 400 or 450 Mhz P2.... From: "Splash_Guy" wanadoo.fr> Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 04:19:02 +0100 I' ve just purchased an S1836 mobo but not yet install it in a box. Untill now I' d always heard that it were no possible to overclock most of the Tyan mobo , especially the S1836DLUAN. But from what I' ve seen on the newsgroups it seems that this is possible. Could anybody tell me if he had overclocked its Thunder100 ( and the way how to do it ) and how much he has reach , but it' s important with constant stability remaining : .With a 400Mhz P2 .With a 450Mhz P2 Thanks in anticipation. Guy
Subject: Re: S1836overclocking with 400 or 450 Mhz P2.... From: eyewatch onramp.net (eyewatch) Date: Tue, 09 Mar 1999 04:28:28 GMT On Sat, 6 Mar 1999 04:19:02 +0100, "Splash_Guy" wanadoo.fr> wrote: >I' ve just purchased an S1836 mobo but not yet install it in a box. >Untill now I' d always heard that it were no possible to overclock >most of the Tyan mobo , especially the S1836DLUAN. >But from what I' ve seen on the newsgroups it seems that this is possible. Wth 400-450Mhz chips the problem is the chips and not the board. If the chips weren't clock-locked they could be jumper set up to 500Mhz ...but.. that doesn't mean you can't OVERBUS the whole board. You can set the board from 103Mhz bus to 112Mhz. Setting 112Mhz w/400Mhz PII will give you 450Mhz n 504Mhz w/450Mhz PII n 560Mhz w/500Mhz PII(in theory) single or dual. > >Could anybody tell me if he had overclocked its Thunder100 ( and >the way how to do it ) and how much he has reach , but it' s important >with constant stability remaining : > > .With a 400Mhz P2 > .With a 450Mhz P2 > >Thanks in anticipation. > Guy >
Subject: Re: S1836overclocking with 400 or 450 Mhz P2.... From: tmtan SPAMFREE.tm.net.my (Meng) Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 04:33:32 GMT On Sat, 6 Mar 1999 04:19:02 +0100, "Splash_Guy" wanadoo.fr> wrote: >I' ve just purchased an S1836 mobo but not yet install it in a box. >Untill now I' d always heard that it were no possible to overclock >most of the Tyan mobo , especially the S1836DLUAN. >But from what I' ve seen on the newsgroups it seems that this is >possible. Mine is overclocked but not with 400/450 P2s, I have a Celeron 300A SL32A (Costa Rica) running at 463Mhz - 103 Mhz FSB, has been running fine since day 1 at around 55 Celsius (ambient 25 C). I have also tested a P2-266 SL2W7 (Malaysia) at 448 Mhz (112 Mhz FSB - the max the 1836 will go to) and that was working fine too but I get more MHz with the Celeron :) >Could anybody tell me if he had overclocked its Thunder100 ( and >the way how to do it ) and how much he has reach , but it' s important >with constant stability remaining : Make sure you have the 1.12 or 1.16 BIOS, set the FSB what ever you desire and its done. With the C300A, 4.5 multiplier, default FSB is 66MHz, I set mine to 103 Mhz which gives 463.5 Mhz With the P2-266, 4.0 multipler, default FSB is 66 Mhz, I set mine to 112 Mhz which gives 448 Mhz With the P2-400 and 450, the FSB default is 100 Mhz so your overclock ability is limited to trying 103 Mhz and 112 Mhz. P2-400, 4.0 multiplier, Set FSB to 103 gives 412 Mhz, and 112 FSB gives 448 Mhz. P2-450, 4.5 multiplier, set FSB to 103 gives 463 Mhz, and 112 FSB gives 504 Mhz. Now you can see why the Celeron 300A is so popular :) BTW while your 1836 is uninstalled, would you mind having a look at the PLL (Phase Locked Loop) clock generator chip and let me know the type ? It should be either a IC-Works WXXX, ICS 9XXXX or Winbond WXXXX.....I think it is the metal casing rectangular device. Cheers Meng
Subject: Re: S1836overclocking with 400 or 450 Mhz P2.... From: tmtan SPAMFREE.tm.net.my (Meng) Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 04:24:44 GMT On Wed, 10 Mar 1999 01:33:57 -0800, "OsiTech" osifeso.com> wrote: >Is this dooable in me 1696DLUA?. I'm not familiar with the 1696 So, look around in your BIOS to look for a FSB (Front Side Bus aka Memory Bus) speed setting. If it allows you to set FSB to faster than your CPU default, then you can overclock. Otherwise there is another option, if you have a 66 Mhz FSB CPU (like a Celeron or P2-266, P2-300) I remember www.tomshardware.com has something about masking out a pin on the CPU to get it to run at 100 Mhz FSB. Cheers Meng
Subject: Re: S1836overclocking with 400 or 450 Mhz P2.... From: tmtan SPAMFREE.tm.net.my (Meng) Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 04:16:29 GMT On Wed, 10 Mar 1999 17:43:47 GMT, eyewatch onramp.net (eyewatch) wrote: >Why would you take a $500.00 Dual processing mobo like the Thunder 100 >and stick "one" overclocked Celeron in it??? Good question :) Thats all I can afford for the moment as far as CPU is concerned and it gives me a 2-3 year upgrade path on the same mobo ....one day when I get enough courage I might start drilling holes and soldering wires on my Celerons. Cheers Meng
Subject: Re: S1836overclocking with 400 or 450 Mhz P2.... From: "Splash_Guy" wanadoo.fr> Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 03:08:04 +0100 I don' t remember exactly where I read it or if rather somebody tell me that, , but I' ve heard , that' s there was no ability at all for seting fsb ( same for multiplier ) on an Thunder 100 mobo (even on most Tyan mobo generally speaking.) The reason were : S1836DLUAN automatically detects processor type & speed ( by reading this in one of the core's register or something like that ) , then deducting suitable freq & multipl. Since the PC 100 SDRAM modules have already to work at such a high frequence and also the PCI & AGP devices , don' t you think it' s better to use a higher multiplier but to choose a lower freqence level ,that' s to say , 103Mhz or even to stay at the usually 99/100Mhz? Because performances without reliability has no interest. Anyway I consider 112Mhz like the upper maxi and valid limit , above , you certainly get problem with your PCI / AGP devices. Guy
Subject: Re: S1836overclocking with 400 or 450 Mhz P2.... From: George notmail.com (George) Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 00:47:41 GMT On Thu, 11 Mar 1999 13:20:13 GMT, sflaxa hotmail.com wrote: > > FALSE : the S1836DLUxx allows to change the FSB as you want > > That's all :) Let me rephrase. If I force my 1836DLUAN to run my dual PII 300s at 450, does the PCI and AGP frequencies remain the same as if I was running at 300? The board runs fine at 450, but when I reboot to win 98 for some games, my STB AGB Viper 4400 wont play at anything higher than 400!
Subject: Re: S1836overclocking with 400 or 450 Mhz P2.... From: tmtan SPAMFREE.tm.net.my (Meng) Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 08:13:27 GMT On Fri, 12 Mar 1999 00:47:41 GMT, in alt.comp.periphs.mainboard.tyan you wrote: >On Thu, 11 Mar 1999 13:20:13 GMT, sflaxa hotmail.com wrote: >> >> FALSE : the S1836DLUxx allows to change the FSB as you want >> >> That's all :) > >Let me rephrase. If I force my 1836DLUAN to run my dual PII 300s at >450, does the PCI and AGP frequencies remain the same as if I was >running at 300? Your P2-300 has a multiplier of 4.5. To get 450 you need to set FSB to 100 Mhz - up from the default 66 Mhz. Your PCI clock will be FSB/3 = 33 Mhz = normal - so PCI should work fine. This is how it works with PCI (I'm sticking to FSBs you can set in the 1836): FSB PCI Divider PCI Clock 66 2 33 - ok 75 2 37.5 - not ok, my adaptec AHA2940 goes nuts 83 2 41.5 - not ok, my adaptec AHA2940 goes nuts 100 3 33 - ok 103 3 34 - ok 112 3 37.3 - probably not ok, never tried The PCI divider switch is automatic as far as I can tell. AGP dividers are fixed at However, youy AGP will be at 100 Mhz so your AGP device may fail since it is overclocked. > The board runs fine at 450, but when I reboot to >win 98 for some games, my STB AGB Viper 4400 wont play at anything >higher than 400! Ok, your AGP device does fail. If you have a PCI card to try...give it a shot just to see. I don't have any AGP devices, and may never because of this problem. The Abit BH6 allows you to manually set AGP divider to 2/3 to get around this problem. 100 Mhz x 2/3 = 66 Mhz Tyan give you the ability to change FSB but unlike Abit, not the ability to control AGP and PCI speeds, although to support P2-400s and above with an FSB of 100 Mhz must mean that somehow the mobo set the 2/3 AGP divider automatically when the FSB is auto selected and this does not occur when the FSB is manually selected. Cheers Meng
Subject: Re: S1836overclocking with 400 or 450 Mhz P2.... From: tmtan SPAMFREE.tm.net.my (Meng) Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 07:42:08 GMT On Thu, 11 Mar 1999 03:08:04 +0100, "Splash_Guy" wanadoo.fr> wrote: >I don' t remember exactly where I read it or if rather somebody tell me >that, , but I' ve heard , that' s there was no ability at all for seting >fsb ( same for multiplier ) on an Thunder 100 mobo (even on most Tyan mobo >generally speaking.) dunno about other Tyan mobos, I also have the 1570? Titan Turbo AT and that doesn't allow you to change anything. BUT the 1836 does....at least with BIOS 1.12 and above >The reason were : S1836DLUAN automatically detects processor type & speed >( by reading this in one of the core's register or something like that ) , >then deducting suitable freq & multipl. Yes, but you can disable auto setting and manually select FSB >Since the PC 100 SDRAM modules have already to work at such a high >frequence and also the PCI & AGP devices , >don' t you think it' s better to use a higher multiplier but to choose a >lower freqence level ,that' s to say , 103Mhz or even to stay at the usually >99/100Mhz? Higher, frequency means higher performance. The FSB determines how fast your RAM access is. example: Celeron 300A with 100 Mhz FSB, 4.5 multiplier = 450 Mhz CPU and memory access at 100 Mhz. Celeron 400 with 75 Mhz FSB, 6.0 multiplier = 450 Mhz CPU and memory access at 75 Mhz Both CPUs run at the same speed, so register operations should be identical. Memory fetch in the 300A 100Mhz FSB is faster *theoretically* However, I remember seeing benchmarks which show very little difference between 66 Mhz FSB and 100 Mhz FSB....my guess it the benchmarks don't stress the FSB enough to show the difference. >Because performances without reliability has no interest. Agreed, thats why I'm leaving my 300A at 463Mhz, I get both performance AND reliability ... I could try to go for 504 Mhz but it would be unstable without messing the CPU voltage and extreme cooling. >Anyway I consider >112Mhz like the upper maxi and valid limit , above , you certainly get >problem with your PCI / AGP devices. Thats true, unless you have a motherboard that allows you to set the following: FSB clock to PCI clock divider FSB clock to AGP clock divider As far as I know, the Abit BX6-2 Mobo does this. It also allows you to change your CPU core voltage. Abit's target market is the die hard overclocker. Fortunately Tyan has bowed to the casual overclocker like me, at least in the 1836 anyway....but not without a fight....see the issue with the overclocking warning in another thread. Cheers Meng
Subject: Re: S1836overclocking with 400 or 450 Mhz P2.... From: "Splash_Guy" wanadoo.fr> Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 03:03:17 +0100 Hi meng, are you really telling me that I could buy a Celeron 300A ( assuming it's the model with 128kb cache )or a pair , and making it ( them ) work at 463Mhz (103Mhz X 4,5) ? And this with constant stability & reliability remaining ? I must tell you that when I first read your answer on the newsgroup I didn' t really react, probably because I' ve a lot of work and I'm very busy in that moment.That' s why if you read my first e-mail you' ll see that I don'' t make any comment regarding the 300A Celeron. But buy reading your mail a second time %) As you know it: > >I' ve just purchased an S1836 mobo but not yet install it in a box. Then it' s yet possible for me to buy a pair of Celeron 300A > Mine is overclocked but not with 400/450 P2s, I have a Celeron 300A > SL32A > (Costa Rica) If you notice me the ref. "SL32A" I assume is important. Do all the Celeron 300A have this ref.? When I buy the processor can I read this inscription (to check it ) onto it? Do not all the Intel processor being mask & coverd by a black box? I suppose Costa Rica is the "alias "(surname) for the Celeron 300A? In other terms , are all the Celeron 300A "Costa Rica" type. running at 463Mhz - 103 Mhz FSB, has been running fine > since > day 1 With no video problems (PCI or AGP?) especially running 3D games for example with 3Dfx Voodoo II chip? Or errors in running hard intensive I/O applications? at around 55 Celsius (ambient 25 C). Really (?) Using an heat sink with an unique or a double fan cooler? I have also tested a P2-266 > SL2W7 (Malaysia) at 448 Mhz ... Once more time , does this "SL2W7" ref being on the processor? > and that was working fine too but I get more MHz with the Celeron :) I had read on the "Tom's hardwre site " on the web , several month ago , that you cannot overpass the 66Mhz fsb on a celeron . Unless you cover (to disconnect it) a certain processor's contact , by Isolating <> if I remember well. Have you also had ,to make this modification ? > Make sure you have the 1.12 or 1.16 BIOS, set the FSB what ever you > desire and its done.With the C300A, 4.5 multiplier, default FSB is 66MHz, I set > mine to 103Mhz which gives 463.5 Mhz Assuming I' ll not be able to know by Bios version before installing my DLUAN.... > Now you can see why the Celeron 300A is so popular :) ....with 2 Celeron 300A probably now , if you certify me that I'll really reach more than 450Mhz without hardware problem. ( I'll probably work in dual boot with Windows98 and Linux , with the last fantastic kernel v2.2 core) > P2-400, 4.0 multiplier, Set FSB to 103 gives 448 Mhz. > P2-450, 4.5 multiplier, set FSB to 103 gives 504 Mhz. It' s a pity that I cannot reach about 500Mhz with a PII 400Mhz which is relatively cheap. Sure not so cheap as a Celeron. > BTW while your 1836 is uninstalled, would you mind having a look at > the > PLL (Phase Locked Loop) clock generator chip and let me know the type > ? It > should be either a IC-Works WXXX, ICS 9XXXX or Winbond WXXXX.....I > think i > t is the metal casing rectangular device. Precisely I got difficulties to find the "PLL" as you say ,and have finally found something like a " reduce model of a corned beef tinned box "without label :^) BUT I've not find any brand like IC-Work or ICS and also no Winbond devices I found it near the lithium battery , a metallic gray box with these ref.: CO1100 40.000MHZ RALTRON 98A07 Is that my Clock generator chip? Anyway thank you very much for your kindly help. Regards. Guy B.
Subject: 1836DLUAN 1.12 BIOS From: "Wei K. Zhan" bigfoot.com> Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 23:06:55 -0500 I need the graphical version of this bios. If anyone of you have this would should send it to me. The version on tyan's site is strange. On the boot up screen it would say 1.12a but when you enter the bios setup, it would say 1.16 (what the #$ , tyan). Thanks in advance.
Subject: DLUAN S1836 and adding Memory From: mulyk ee.ualberta.ca (Orest Mulyk) Date: 6 Mar 1999 06:46:52 GMT I have just got a 2nd stick of 64Mb RAM and have installed it, but the BIOS does not seem to recognize it. Do all the slots have to be filled if I want to add more memory? I have a DLUAN S1836 motherboard. Thanks, Orest
Subject: Re: 1836DLUAN + NT4SP4SVR + ATI RAGE FURY AGP = Page fault in non-paged area From: molinari mediaone.net (Brian Molinari) Date: Sat, 06 Mar 1999 13:17:34 GMT On Fri, 05 Mar 1999 22:08:57 -0800, Daniel Bruce mygen.com> wrote: > Appears the video card is stomping on my memory. > > Many frowns. <{ <{ <{ > > I have been futzing with this now for 3 hours. NO JOY. > > Any help is appreciated. Please E-mail me. Send me to 3D heaven. > > TIA I don't know if this helps but NT doesn't support 3D graphics. This info is on tyan's website as well as via's website..... I know, I'm running NT with sp4 here.. Microsoft is planning to support 3D in NT 5........ Brian.......... molinari mediaone.net Traveling across the net at WARP SPEED !!!!!
Subject: Re: 1836DLUAN + NT4SP4SVR + ATI RAGE FURY AGP = Page fault in non-paged area From: "William Taylor" yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 06 Mar 1999 22:28:17 GMT Sure NT supports 3D. It uses OpenGL though and not Direct3D. Any app that needs DirectX 5 or 6 for 3D won't run, but GL games like Quake will. More likely this user's Rage128 drivers have not even been tested by ATI on dual CPU box. Lots of sound cards have problems with SMP, and my guess is that as new as ATI's drivers are, and as much emphasis as they put on Win98, that the drivers for NT will be pretty week. WT Brian Molinari wrote in message <36e12a6a.1114782 news.ne.mediaone.net>... >On Fri, 05 Mar 1999 22:08:57 -0800, Daniel Bruce mygen.com> wrote: > >> Appears the video card is stomping on my memory. >> >> Many frowns. <{ <{ <{ >> >> I have been futzing with this now for 3 hours. NO JOY. >> >> Any help is appreciated. Please E-mail me. Send me to 3D heaven. >> >> TIA > >I don't know if this helps but NT doesn't support 3D graphics. This info is on >tyan's website as well as via's website..... I know, I'm running NT with sp4 >here.. Microsoft is planning to support 3D in NT 5........ > >Brian.......... >molinari mediaone.net
Subject: Re: 1836DLUAN + NT4SP4SVR + ATI RAGE FURY AGP = Page fault in non-paged area From: Devo losangeles.sgi.com> Date: Mon, 08 Mar 1999 14:15:08 -0800 Here is the state of NT for graphics and PIII: OpenGL support: Yes, both software and hardware DirectX support: Yes, but only to DirectX3 (need service pack 3 or 4) Nt and Pentium III: NT4.0 needs a special driver from intel's developer site: "If you plan to run Windows NT* 4.0 on your Pentium III processor-based system, you may need a driver from Intel that is specially designed for these systems. Find out moreinformation by visiting the Developer's Web site." http://developer.intel.com/vtune/optidrvr/index.htm Devin Cambridge Silicon Graphics
Subject: Re: 1836DLUAN + NT4SP4SVR + ATI RAGE FURY AGP = Page fault in non-paged area From: Daniel Bruce mygen.com> Date: Tue, 09 Mar 1999 23:27:20 -0800 Yep, this is turning into a major MS NT problem. I finished a clean install of NT4 with SP4 and the ATI Rage Fury installed cleanly and worked fine. The main issue I am looking at is the previous graphics card was a Creative Extreme PCI card. I don't really want to reinstall my main machine just to get this card working! Of course this is all still really curious. I mean why is this happening at all? The test installs still did not include all the networking/sound/services that the target has, so it might still fall over. Any thoughts appreciated, Thanks All.
Subject: S1836 1.16 Buggy Bios From: "Anthony K. Enright" indigo.ie> Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 21:57:58 -0000 The 1.16 Bios seems Buggy , especially when using the overclocking feature.With the overclock warning dissabled the cpu temp reads 7.............and the frequency is incorrect......Does Tyan ever respond to E-Mail questions re. bios problems or do they just not care about the purchasers of TYAN products? Thoughts anyone? Anthony K Enright
Subject: Re: S1836 1.16 Buggy Bios From: "William (Wild Bill) Parrish" No_spam.nortel.com.die_spammers.die> Date: Sat, 06 Mar 1999 20:42:16 -0500 I would be very surprised if they replied concerning any situation with overclocking in effect. While we can debate the merits of this from a customer service standpoint, I dont think Tyan would be swayed. It is my impression that Tyan's position has been if you overclock you are on your own even if the board is designed to allow it.
Subject: Re: S1836 1.16 Buggy Bios From: "crowz" acs-isp.com> Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 20:36:44 -0600 I can see their position but I dont think thats what he meant. If you dont turn on the warning message in the cmos it doesnt actually do anything when you select a higher bus speed. I can live with the warning poping up at boot time but why should I be forced to have to hit the space bar everytime my computer boots. This is not a very smart way to handle bios functions. Pretty pathetic in my opinion. William (Wild Bill) Parrish No_spam.nortel.com.die_spammers.die> wrote in message >I would be very surprised if they replied concerning any situation with >overclocking in effect. While we can debate the merits of this from a >customer service standpoint, I dont think Tyan would be swayed. > >It is my impression that Tyan's position has been if you overclock you >are on your own even if the board is designed to allow it.
Subject: Thunder 1836DLU and SB Live From: Francis Vidal videotron.ca> Date: Sun, 07 Mar 1999 15:06:58 -0500 My SB live work well but the joystick port is not working at all. Under device manager it's OK, DirectX Diag says it's OK but the game controller say it's not plug-in. Is anyone got the same problem and find a solution? Francis Vidal
Subject: Re: Thunder 1836DLU and SB Live From: "crowz" acs-isp.com> Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 14:46:48 -0600 Ive got the sblive and it all works on mine. Ive read alot of post on the sblive board about people having problems like the one your having. Bad news is I havent seen a cure yet thought :( Francis Vidal videotron.ca> wrote in message >My SB live work well but the joystick port is not working at all. Under >device manager it's OK, DirectX Diag says it's OK but the game >controller say it's not plug-in. Is anyone got the same problem and >find a solution? > >Francis Vidal
Subject: Re: Thunder 1836DLU and SB Live From: tmtan SPAMFREE.tm.net.my (Meng) Date: Mon, 08 Mar 1999 05:23:11 GMT On Sun, 07 Mar 1999 15:06:58 -0500, Francis Vidal videotron.ca> wrote: >My SB live work well but the joystick port is not working at all. Under >device manager it's OK, DirectX Diag says it's OK but the game >controller say it's not plug-in. Is anyone got the same problem and >find a solution? I have the SBLive Value and the joystick port works fine. The SB Live is in SLot 2, IRQ set to 5/9. Cheers Meng
Subject: Re: Thunder 1836DLU and SB Live From: "Splash_Guy" wanadoo.fr> Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 13:37:44 +0100 Doesn' t matter if DirectX says it' s OK , the first thing you' ve to do is to know if ther' s a hard or soft problem. Hard: use a DOS port utility to know if your port is working (on port 1/A) , you can find such utilities by Thrustmaster (TMScope) or by LDPD (Testport), in fact any Dos port utility. If utility reconize the port , it' s probably a soft / windows 98(one more :( ) problem. Just tell me something: have you yet in the Sound,video & Game Controller section of the Device Manager the " Gameport joystick " line ? Meng a écrit dans le message >On Sun, 07 Mar 1999 15:06:58 -0500, Francis Vidal > videotron.ca> wrote: > >>My SB live work well but the joystick port is not working at all. Under >>device manager it's OK, DirectX Diag says it's OK but the game >>controller say it's not plug-in. Is anyone got the same problem and >>find a solution? > >I have the SBLive Value and the joystick port works fine. The SB Live >is in SLot 2, IRQ set to 5/9. > >Cheers > >Meng >
Subject: Re: Thunder 1836DLU and SB Live From: Francis Vidal videotron.ca> Date: Mon, 08 Mar 1999 02:37:23 -0500 Thanks a lot. I've tried so much thing to make it work, I was in total despair. Power to the people "Christian Krülle" wrote: > > Hi Francis, > > simply plug the SB Live in one of the first 3 pci slots below the agp > slot - for some reason, it doesn't like to be "behind" a pci-to-pci bridge. > You can use the onboard joystick port as well as both ports. > > Have fun and enjoy your card :) > > Chris > > Francis Vidal schrieb in Nachricht > >My SB live work well but the joystick port is not working at all. Under > >device manager it's OK, DirectX Diag says it's OK but the game > >controller say it's not plug-in. Is anyone got the same problem and > >find a solution? > > > >Francis Vidal
Subject: Keyboard Power-ON S1836DLUAN? From: "TELIA" hotmail.com> Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 20:08:14 +0100 Is there any possibility to get the S1836DLUAN to work with Keyboard Power-ON just like the Asus and Abit boards does? Its so nice just to press the spacebar and the system turns on.
Subject: Re: Keyboard Power-ON S1836DLUAN? From: "Urs Steiner" maximilianeum.ch> Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 11:31:34 +0100 TELIA wrote in message >Is there any possibility to get the S1836DLUAN to work with Keyboard >Power-ON just like the Asus and Abit boards does? >Its so nice just to press the spacebar and the system turns on. as i'd also be insterested in this feature and didn't see any answers here : did you get any private answers ? TIA Urs -- mail: urs [dot] steiner [at] switzerland [dot] org http://www.vis.ethz.ch/~urs/
Subject: Q on S1836DLU: Will it fit into ATX BigTower? From: Axel Dahmen Zoom.germany> Date: Tue, 09 Mar 1999 19:32:16 +0100 I'm not good in hardware issues, so this might be a silly question: In the specifications of the S1836DLU main board I noticed that its size (13" * 12") differs from the others' (8.3" * 12"). Will it fit into a standard ATX Big Tower? Thanks in advance! Best regards - Axel Dahmen
Subject: Re: Q on S1836DLU: Will it fit into ATX BigTower? From: "Urs Steiner" maximilianeum.ch> Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 21:28:51 +0100 Axel Dahmen wrote in message >In the specifications of the S1836DLU main board I noticed that its size (13" * 12") differs from the others' >(8.3" * 12"). > >Will it fit into a standard ATX Big Tower? weeeeellllllll it fit into mine, but that doens't have to say anything about yours :) if i remember correctly the dluan has an "EATX" form factor, so you should perhaps check for that ... the simple other way if you already have the case: measure it ... or try to get the measures of the case from your vendor ... Urs -- mail: urs [dot] steiner [at] switzerland [dot] org http://www.vis.ethz.ch/~urs/
Subject: Re: Q on S1836DLU: Will it fit into ATX BigTower? From: bergmania my-dejanews.com Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 19:12:56 GMT It fits in large MIDI Towers so it should fit in Big Towers.. My case got lost in the mail so I went out and bought a noname midi tower (I just did have to get my machine running.. heheh) and it did fit BUT I was only able to use the topmost 5.25" bay or I hit the membanks with the device I put in.. Anyhow I got a Enlightment 7233 MIDI now and I got room to spare.. (but not much) Dan B
Subject: 1836Dluan w/PIII no video problem From: mcpbob banet.net Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 18:29:20 -0500 I have a 1836Dluan-GX with dual PIII 450 processors, when I go to power up I get no video and no beeps. Any clues?
Subject: Re: 1836Dluan w/PIII no video problem From: "Phil Weldon" mindspring.com> Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 19:30:41 -0500 You need to provide a lot more information. Without it, I can only guess no power. You need to provide several bits: 1. Is this an upgrade; have the power supply and other peripherals worked before? 2. Does the LED on the motherboard illuminate, and what color? 3. Do the LED indicators on the drives illuminate? 4. Have you checked the orientation of the I/O cable connections? You will have to approach the problem methodically. After trying other actions, you may, based on what you discover, need to assemble the bare bones of the system outside the case to check for shorts. Based on the current information you supply the problem could be anything; a bad power supply, incorrectly oriented I/O cables, bad motherboard, short caused by a mounting machine screw, incorrectly attached power switch, etc. -- Phil Weldon, pweldon mindspring.com mcpbob banet.net wrote in message >I have a 1836Dluan-GX with dual PIII 450 processors, when I go to power >up I get no video and no beeps. Any clues?
Subject: Re: 1836DLUAN + NT4SP4SVR + ATI RAGE FURY AGP = Page fault in non-paged area FIXED! From: Daniel Bruce mygen.com> Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 21:56:47 -0800 FIXED!!!!! Status: NT registry problem. Previous graphics adapter driver Creative EXXtreme PCI and/or VGA was in the way of the new ATI driver. Also, by default the ATI driver sets the max screen capability to 1600x1200x85Hz. I really don't know how I fixed this. I assume I finally got the registry in sync. In NT boot (VGA boot mode), I reloaded the VGA driver which seemed redundant. Rebooted as normal. Display settings showed ATI driver but was running VGA driver. Looked at devices and both the VGA and the ATI driver were running (at least it booted!). Re-Loaded the ATI driver. Disabled any unnessary devices for the boot. In regedit, reset the max res in the ATI to 800x600x60Hz (current control set 1,2,3). Re-booted. HARRAH. I BEAT YOU! I BEAT YOU! Now does NTB3 have a beta driver for this ...... I never had this much trouble with linux.... Daniel Bruce wrote: > Please HELP! > > After three months of waiting I got my ATI Rage Fury AGP and now the > fun starts! > > 1836DLUAN with 256Meg dual 450 PII is rock solid with 8Meg Creative > Exxtreme PCI. BIOS 1.12a > > 1. go to vga driver > 2. install card > > 3. Look at BIOS settings. > > Questions ... What is the correct/optimum configuration for an AGP > card > Display memory window? default is 64Meg > (whats MPS 1.1 - MPS 1.4 ?) > > 4 Install ATI NT drivers goes fine and detects the card. > > `5, Reboot , NT loads and is about to go into video mode when CRASH!!! > > Page fault in non-paged area. > > Appears the video card is stomping on my memory. > > Many frowns. <{ <{ <{ > > I have been futzing with this now for 3 hours. NO JOY. > > Any help is appreciated. Please E-mail me. Send me to 3D heaven. > > TIA * --------------------------------------------------- * * Daniel Bruce - mailto:Daniel.Bruce mygen.com * http://www.mygen.com * P.O. Box 7167 , Tahoe City Ca. 96145 * --------------------------------------------------- *
Subject: 1836DLUAN Description / Explanation of all BIOS settings for TYAN boards ? AMIBIOS Utilities Guide? From: Daniel Bruce mygen.com> Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 22:24:56 -0800 Hi All! I am curious about all these BIOS settings ! The tyan manual does a good job. Tyan manual states "see AMIBIOS Utilities guide for additional information". Where is it? Is there anywhere that describes in detail to the effects of some/all of these settings? I am particularly interested in the chipset and other settings like: What does Power down SDRAM do? ACPI control register ENA/DIS ? AGP clock/timer/Aperature size? How about "BIOS Devnode for shadow RAM"? Is there any utility in win95/NT to read the BIOS settings to record/save/print them out? Does print screen key work? It would be good to share tweaked settings known to work that improve performance in particular cases. TIA -- * --------------------------------------------------- * * Daniel Bruce - mailto:Daniel.Bruce mygen.com * http://www.mygen.com * P.O. Box 7167 , Tahoe City Ca. 96145 * --------------------------------------------------- *
Subject: Re: 1836DLUAN Description / Explanation of all BIOS settings for TYAN boards ? AMIBIOS Utilities Guide? From: "Robert Coleman" fastlane.net> Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 08:40:38 -0600 Amen! I have only been able to find "general" explanations to these settings. Is there a site with more specific explanations of each of these options? Robert Daniel Bruce wrote in message <36E8B338.EFD77E52 mygen.com>... > Hi All! > > > I am curious about all these BIOS settings ! The tyan manual does a >good job. Tyan manual states "see AMIBIOS Utilities guide for additional >information". Where is it? Is there anywhere that describes in detail >to the effects of some/all of these settings? I am particularly >interested in the chipset and other settings like: > > What does Power down SDRAM do? > ACPI control register ENA/DIS ? > AGP clock/timer/Aperature size? > How about "BIOS Devnode for shadow RAM"? > > Is there any utility in win95/NT to read the BIOS settings to >record/save/print them out? > > Does print screen key work? > > It would be good to share tweaked settings known to work that >improve performance in particular cases. > > > TIA > >-- >* --------------------------------------------------- * >* Daniel Bruce - mailto:Daniel.Bruce mygen.com >* http://www.mygen.com >* P.O. Box 7167 , Tahoe City Ca. 96145 >* --------------------------------------------------- * > >
Subject: Tyan s1836 Overclock 400mhz? Also not powering down.. From: wilsonb pobox.com Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 05:21:03 GMT Hola, I bought a Tyan s1836dlu Thunder 100 as per Boot magazine -Building YOUR DREAM MACHINE' Well, went out and got a PII- 400 System: Tyan S1836 Thunder 100 1X - PII 400MHZ Ati - All in wonder Pro Voodoo II Turtle beach sound card I can't seem to overclock it. I raised the Bus speed in the bios and when I do I get the warning about the bus speed change at boot. Then when going into windows it locks up hard. Has anyone successfully overclocked a PII 400Mhz on this board? What are the optimal bios settings? I flashed to the latest version from Tyan. Was not impressed and saw other people talking about problems. So I went down one version level. Also, what should my power management be set to in the bios. ACPI aware O/S ? The system will not power down anymore. Just has the message that it's safe to turn off. What changed? Thank you so much for any feedback..
Subject: Re: Tyan s1836 Overclock 400mhz? Also not powering down.. From: eyewatch onramp.net (eyewatch) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 02:35:39 GMT The board used on the Boot Magazine was the S1836DLUAN I think we're talking the same board but just checking. I am running this board with Dual 400Mhz PII's at 450Mhz and 112Mhz bus for about 6 months now no problems, Win98 and NT4SP4. Using high performance BIOS settings with slight tweek to memory CAS timing from 3 to 2 otherwise all as preset. Try removing ALL cards from board except Video and Boot drive Make sure you are using PC100 SDRAM, I am using 256MB PC100 SDRAM some PC66 mem may work but you're taking your chances. If it still won't boot try a different video card, your's may not like a 112Mhz bus specialy if it boots fine at 100Mhz but no higher. The overclock warning in the beginning is normal and you will have to live with it because disabling it under new Bios will also disable the overclocking and reset your CPU even though the boot up screen may read 450Mhz. It's some kind of little Tyan/Intel see if we can fool them crap. Good luck, >Which O/S are you windows are you talking of? 95/98/nt? >Which frequencies did you try the 400 on? 4x112? >Does it oc on other systems (because the cache-timings are a problem)? >Did you try to raise the Core-Voltage? Because sometimes you have to do >this to oc (like my Celeron 300A needed 2.2V to run stabl at 450 MHz). > >As I know, no O/S does support (stable and bugless) ACPI at the moment >(and there is not one bios I know of, having no bugs in the ACPI >implementations), so say no to this. >Did you install Windoof with ACPI support? If so, be sure to reinstall >Windoof, because ACPI can not be removed properly again (this is second >hand info, I read it somewhere). > >What other BIOS settings do you use (because O/C also puches other >devices above their specs)? > >Did you try to run Windoof without all "unimportant" hardware, only >using the VGA-Card? > >Norbert
Subject: Re: Tyan s1836 Overclock 400mhz? Also not powering down.. From: wilsonbradley hotmail.com Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 14:41:50 GMT Tried to reply to Email... no luck.. hope you see this reply Hi ya', Thanks for the reply. Ya, thats the same board, mine just doesnt have Sound or Nic on it.. (Already had those cards). I didn't like the latest Bios Rev. so I took it down one. What version are you using. You would be the man to talk to since we have most of the same equip. :-) What specif, do you have set in the bios? Just set it for Optimal and change the Cas memory timing ? I'll try that. for some reason my system will not power off anymore.. just gives me the message it's safe to turn off. Do you also keep the Power management settings default? I have PC100 SDram Did you change the PCI bus or somehow raise the voltage? Is that nessesary? Do you use ICQ or Aol messenger(WilsoonIsOn) ? eyewatch onramp.net (eyewatch) wrote: > The board used on the Boot Magazine was the S1836DLUAN I think we're > talking the same board but just checking. I am running this board with > Dual 400Mhz PII's at 450Mhz and 112Mhz bus for about 6 months now no > problems, Win98 and NT4SP4. Using high performance BIOS settings with > slight tweek to memory CAS timing from 3 to 2 otherwise all as preset. > > Try removing ALL cards from board except Video and Boot drive > > Make sure you are using PC100 SDRAM, I am using 256MB PC100 SDRAM some > PC66 mem may work but you're taking your chances. > > If it still won't boot try a different video card, your's may not like > a 112Mhz bus specialy if it boots fine at 100Mhz but no higher. > > The overclock warning in the beginning is normal and you will have to > live with it because disabling it under new Bios will also disable the > overclocking and reset your CPU even though the boot up screen may > read 450Mhz. It's some kind of little Tyan/Intel see if we can fool > them crap. > > Good luck,
Subject: Re: Tyan s1836 Overclock 400mhz? Also not powering down.. From: eyewatch onramp.net (eyewatch) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 17:01:33 GMT > >Hi ya', > >Thanks for the reply. >Ya, thats the same board, mine just doesnt have Sound or Nic on it.. (Already >had those cards). I didn't like the latest Bios Rev. so I took it down one. >What version are you using. You would be the man to talk to since we have most >of the same equip. :-) The Bios I am using is 1.16a but 1.12a works just as well, it isn't a BIOS problem. > >What specif, do you have set in the bios? Just set it for Optimal and change >the Cas memory timing ? I'll try that. >for some reason my system will not power off anymore.. just gives me the >message it's safe to turn off. Do you also keep the Power management settings >default? Yes Optimal settings with slight memory tweek and I disabled ALL Power mangement crap, don't really care for a "green" PC. Also make sure your BIOS PCI-IRQ's are set to AUTO, this seems to work best when adding new periph's unless you have some old stuff that has to be manually set.. > >I have PC100 SDram > >Did you change the PCI bus or somehow raise the voltage? Is that nessesary? >Do you use ICQ or Aol messenger(WilsoonIsOn) ? No change to voltage or PCI bus is necessary. Bus speed will be effected by overclock and there is really no way to configure this so your only option is to have high performance tolerant devices. I have no messenger running on this system. It is used as a Graphics workstation. It is not connected to the internet. I do online and web services through a separate Dual TomcatIV w/233MMX's. Your 1386DLU is slight different from the DLUAN but the difference shouldn't be that significant. The thing to keep in mind when trouble shooting your board is keep it VERY simple, remove any unnecessary devices and run it with bare essentials. If it runs fine then start adding your periphs, one at a time closely observing how your board reacts to each component. If you have not success with fundemental setup then your concerns should focus on memory, power supply, cabling pin-outs, and your processors are they a matched pair. Good luck, > > >In article <36f9fb4b.30817078 news.onramp.net>, > eyewatch onramp.net (eyewatch) wrote: >> The board used on the Boot Magazine was the S1836DLUAN I think we're >> talking the same board but just checking. I am running this board with >> Dual 400Mhz PII's at 450Mhz and 112Mhz bus for about 6 months now no >> problems, Win98 and NT4SP4. Using high performance BIOS settings with >> slight tweek to memory CAS timing from 3 to 2 otherwise all as preset. >> >> Try removing ALL cards from board except Video and Boot drive >> >> Make sure you are using PC100 SDRAM, I am using 256MB PC100 SDRAM some >> PC66 mem may work but you're taking your chances. >> >> If it still won't boot try a different video card, your's may not like >> a 112Mhz bus specialy if it boots fine at 100Mhz but no higher. >> >> The overclock warning in the beginning is normal and you will have to >> live with it because disabling it under new Bios will also disable the >> overclocking and reset your CPU even though the boot up screen may >> read 450Mhz. It's some kind of little Tyan/Intel see if we can fool >> them crap. >> >> Good luck,
Subject: Re: S1836DLUAN-GX Thunder 100 with Pentium III 450? From: beemer NOSPAMstar.net (Paul) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 03:33:34 GMT Hello: I have s1836 DLUAN GX running PIII500. After you flash the bios be shure to clear the bios with the jumper on the motherboard. This should work. Also, another strange problem which may have not been addressed here is the 1836 dluan gx does not like pci video in any slot but the 1st. When I got mine I did not have an agp video card and the board refused to boot unless the pci video card was in the top pci slot. I also did not like the way it rean with the pci card. After I changed to agp card the board seems much more stable. Paul (remove NOSPAM from email to reply) On Sat, 20 Mar 1999 17:58:09 GMT, wand walden.mvp.net (wand) spewed forth the following witty prose: >Has anyone been able to get the S1836GX motherboard to work with a PIII >450 processor? > >I have upgraded the BIOS version to the latest on Tyan's website 1.16a, >which is supposed to have support for PIII 450/500, but the board still >does not POST with the PIII processor. > >Does anyone have any ideas? > >TIA, > >Terry Penn >Sr. Network Analyst >Unity Health System
Subject: Re: S1836DLUAN-GX Thunder 100 with Pentium III 450? From: "Urs Steiner" maximilianeum.ch> Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 09:24:24 +0100 Lo Paul > Also, another strange problem which may have not been addressed here > is the 1836 dluan gx does not like pci video in any slot but the 1st. > When I got mine I did not have an agp video card and the board refused > to boot unless the pci video card was in the top pci slot well,my collegues 1836-gx runs fine with his mystique in the SECOND PCI slot ... Urs -- mail: urs [dot] steiner [at] switzerland [dot] org http://www.vis.ethz.ch/~urs/
Subject: Re: S1836DLUAN-GX Thunder 100 with Pentium III 450? From: 3mil my-dejanews.com Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 13:17:05 GMT My S1836DLUAN-BX likes a TSENG ET6000 PCI videocard everywhere... s "Urs Steiner" maximilianeum.ch> wrote: > Lo Paul > > > Also, another strange problem which may have not been addressed here > > is the 1836 dluan gx does not like pci video in any slot but the 1st. > > When I got mine I did not have an agp video card and the board refused > > to boot unless the pci video card was in the top pci slot > > well,my collegues 1836-gx runs fine with his mystique in the SECOND PCI > slot ... > > Urs > > -- > mail: urs [dot] steiner [at] switzerland [dot] org > http://www.vis.ethz.ch/~urs/ Official address - sunflux geocities.com
Subject: Re: S1836DLUAN-GX Thunder 100 with Pentium III 450? From: beemer NOSPAMstar.net (Paul) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 04:53:53 GMT Ok, I'll 'fess up, Number 9 Imagine128 series II 4meg. Anybody else got one of these want to try it in their 1836DLUAN GX w/PIII500 to see if we can duplicate my results?!!! Paul remove NOSPAM to reply On Mon, 22 Mar 1999 09:24:24 +0100, "Urs Steiner" maximilianeum.ch> spewed forth the following witty prose: >Lo Paul > >> Also, another strange problem which may have not been addressed here >> is the 1836 dluan gx does not like pci video in any slot but the 1st. >> When I got mine I did not have an agp video card and the board refused >> to boot unless the pci video card was in the top pci slot > >well,my collegues 1836-gx runs fine with his mystique in the SECOND PCI >slot ... > >Urs
Subject: S1836DLU & CDROm=PIO 0 From: bproulx wna-linknet.com (Brian Proulx) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 11:44:23 GMT Purchased a S1836DLU, running it with duall PII 333.Bios 1.16a , noticed that myy primary slave (TEAC X32 CD-ROM) during the boot up sequence shows that it is set to PIO 0. I have not tested the drive, it seems to run just fine but I was wondering if anyone else was having simular weird problems.
Subject: Re: A CELERON 366 Slot1 at 458 on an S1836 : just 83MHz via BIOS? From: Norbert Goebel uni-duesseldorf.de> Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 23:57:37 +0100 sflaxa hotmail.com wrote: > > Hi, > > I'm going to install a Celeron 366 (5.5x) on my > S1836DLUAN (BIOS 1.16) and I'd like to run it > at 458MHz using an FSB frequency of 83MHz : well, > do I have to just change the frequency from AUTO > to 83 via BIOS (like I'm doing with my present P2) > or should I modify the CELERON (that Pin21 trick..)? > > THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR HELP! > > The CELERON 458/83 is considered one of the fastest > configurations available today (at incredible price). > > Some comparative benchmarks : > http://www.tomshardware.com/releases/99q1/990114/cpu-overview-09.html With the B21 trick you can tell the board to use 100MHz FSB, but you can not tell it to use 83 MHz. Because of this you have to set it in the Bios, but than you will get this annoying message at startup. My suggestion: Buy a Celeron 300A and use it at 4.5x100.
Subject: 1Gb of RAM in S1836DLUAN-GX Thunder 100 From: Paolo Natoli cfi.ucsb.edu> Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 15:49:42 -0800 Has anbody succesfully loaded 1 Gb of RAM (4 x 256 PC 100 DIMMs) into this motherboard? I'm running NT 4.0 (SP 4), and tried several chips with the same result: 512 Mb works fine, 1 Gb doesn't. Which chips have you actually used? Thank you in advance, Paolo
Subject: Re: 1Gb of RAM in S1836DLUAN-GX Thunder 100 From: sratakeo aol.comdie (SRATakeo) Date: 23 Mar 1999 16:54:51 GMT Paolo are you using qualified memory modules? When you deal with capacities that high you need to go with a memory module that the board Manufacturers recommend.
Subject: Re: A CELERON 366 Slot1 at 458 on an S1836 : just 83MHz via BIOS? --> Will S1836DLxx go beyond 500MHz? From: sflaxa hotmail.com Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 14:16:11 GMT > With the B21 trick you can tell the board to use 100MHz FSB, but you can > not tell it to use 83 MHz. Because of this you have to set it in the > Bios, but than you will get this annoying message at startup. > > My suggestion: Buy a Celeron 300A and use it at 4.5x100. Thank you very much for your explanation! So covering the PIN21 on a Celeron everything will work at 100MHZ FSB automatically (AGP and PCI buses would have the right divided frequency, SDRAM at 100..and so on..). Of course the best Celeron to do this is the 300A (4.5x) as you say. But TOM ( http://www.tomshardware.com/releases/99q1/990114/cpu-overview-09.html ) is sure that the 458/83 (C366 5.5x at 83MHz) runs faster than the 450/100 (C300A at 100). Moreover a 66 to 83MHz overclocking shouldn't cause problems to PCI and AGP buses. Think that I've paid the C366 "just" 102.5$ at an eBAY auction (+8.5 S&H) and a 300A wouldn't cost less because of its relative notoriety.... -----------550MHz?----------- Now, the question is another : the PIN21 trick applied to a C366 would lead to a 550MHz CPU frequency and it'd be interesting to try it, but COULD an S1836DLxx support frequencies beyond 500MHz? Onboard jumpers stops at 500MHz, but will a future BIOS release be able to push an S1836 towards the 500-700MHz range? I REALLY HOPE SO, also thinking about the sure evolution of the INTEL P3 and Celeron (new 100MHz FSB) families. A ~500$ motherboard like the S1836 shouldn't get obsolete so soon :-\ Thank you, g
Subject: Re: A CELERON 366 Slot1 at 458 on an S1836 : just 83MHz via BIOS? --> Will S1836DLxx go beyond 500MHz? From: Norbert Goebel uni-duesseldorf.de> Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 23:08:45 +0100 > Thank you very much for your explanation! > So covering the PIN21 on a Celeron everything will work at > 100MHZ FSB automatically (AGP and PCI buses would have the > right divided frequency, SDRAM at 100..and so on..). Of course > the best Celeron to do this is the 300A (4.5x) as you say. Yes, coverin the B21 pin (on every slot1 CPU) will "tell" the mainboard to set the FSB to 100 MHz. > But TOM > ( http://www.tomshardware.com/releases/99q1/990114/cpu-overview-09.html ) > is sure that the 458/83 (C366 5.5x at 83MHz) runs faster than > the 450/100 (C300A at 100). Moreover a 66 to 83MHz overclocking > shouldn't cause problems to PCI and AGP buses. Think that I've paid > the C366 "just" 102.5$ at an eBAY auction (+8.5 S&H) and a 300A > wouldn't cost less because of its relative notoriety.... Sure the C366 at 83MHz FSB will be faster than the C300A at 100 MHz (in most cases), but thats not because of the extra 8 MHz (you can select 103 MHz for the 300A too and get to 462 MHz), but because of the overclocked AGP and PCI-busses, because every card which uses the clock of the bus will run faster, but overclocking especially the AGP-cards can easily cause damage to them. Think of a Riva TNT which gets extremly hot at default speed, it almost boils water at 83 MHz when playing games for some time. And some PCI and AGP cards might not work at all (or get damaged, like one of my PCI cards when trying 83MHz for 3 hours (without even using this card)). > -----------550MHz?----------- > Now, the question is another : the PIN21 trick applied to a C366 would > lead to a 550MHz CPU frequency and it'd be interesting to try it, but COULD > an S1836DLxx support frequencies beyond 500MHz? Onboard jumpers stops at > 500MHz, but will a future BIOS release be able to push an S1836 towards the > 500-700MHz range? Normally it should (I can=B4t try, because I do not have the proper CPU for it), because the mainboard only runs at 100 MHz FSB and the CPU itself uses a multiplier to get to its "working speed". So it has nothing to do with the mainboard, but with the CPU. I read somewhere, that someone got a Celeron400 to run stable at 600 MHz, but with about 30 fans and a fridge for cooling and also read many reports about Celeron 333 not being able to be overclocked to 500 MHz, but some worked with this speed. So I would suggest to try it and if it doesn=B4t work, try to raise the Core voltage of the CPU and try again. > I REALLY HOPE SO, also thinking about the sure evolution of > the INTEL P3 and Celeron (new 100MHz FSB) families. A ~500$ > motherboard like the S1836 shouldn't get obsolete so soon :-\ Norbert
Subject: FYI: 1.16a Disable Overclock Warning BOGUS!!!!!!! From: "Cavanaugh" cableone.net> Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 01:45:46 -0800 Well I just fell victim to believing what is said in the bios. On my tyan 1832dl I had been overclocking to 450 on a celeron 300a. But my old bios forced me to "Hit a key" because of the overclocking. In the new bios there is (allegedly) a feature to turn off this warning. So I thought great, this is just what I wanted. Unfortunately setting this option not only is complete garbage, it sets your clock speed back to AUTO. But the really evil thing is that when you boot is says 450Mhz, but it actually boots into 300Mhz. So much for valid information on bios boot screens... This was all verified by examining /proc/cpuinfo on linux. --John Cavanaugh
Subject: Re: 1.16a Disable Overclock Warning BOGUS!!!!!!! From: "crowz" acs-isp.com> Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 00:34:38 -0600 The message is not a big deal. It the PUTZ that desided to make us put up with having to hit the spacebar. Im in a running battle with them right now. They told me it would be fixed about the time the 1.16a came out. Then I called back when it wasnt fixed. I was told to live with it. I explain that I was a reseller and that I WAS NOT going to live with it and neither were my customers. This seems to of changed thier minds (we'll see. I have my doubts). I was told that there wasnt any room left in the bios. Just couldnt fit it in. LOL. I kinda pointed out that I wasnt asking for a addin. I was asking for the them to take out the requirement for hitting the damn spacebar. I told them Id put up with all the warnings they wanted to put there, but the spacebar part was stupid. I cant have a server reboot and not finish booting because its sitting there waiting on someone to hit the bloody space bar. Great products from tyan up to date. But if they cant find the time to fix this its going to cost them a few sales. I hopeing to get a fix this monday. Im saving all the emails from them so I can post them here once I either give up on them or get a fix. Thought yall might like to know...
Subject: Re: NT can't see 78xx/Array1000 on Tyan S1836 T100 From: "Bos" bellsouth.bet> Date: Mon, 5 Apr 1999 19:22:15 -0400 Hi... Have you tried these drivers from Adaptec. http://www.adaptec.com/support/overview/aro1130caupgrade.html This page walks you through installing the card, drivers and a BIOS update that's available. As for Win 98, I doubt seriously it would understand a RAID Array, but I could be wrong. Good luck... Bos Rasty wrote in message <7dtejl$nm1$1 fe2.cs.interbusiness.it>... >Hi people, >I'm having some BIG troubles with NT and a Tyan S1836 Thunder 100. >While DOS/ASPI based apps see the on-board Adaptec 78xx >controller/Array1000CA, WinNT 4.0 just doesn't. >NT should recognize the 78xx and use its drivers on installation of the >system, but it doesn't... I also tried with the drivers supplied on floppy, >and NT responded that the special hardware/controller is NOT INSTALLED... > >Can anyone help me please? >thanks in advance, >Rasty.- > >p.s. looks like Win98 can't use the controller, too.. its internal drivers >don't work! what's going on!?!? > >
Subject: Re: S1836DLUAN-BX SCSI boot problem From: klitkey new-o2-7.cs.hut.fi (Krisztian "The NightHacker" Litkey) Date: 07 Apr 1999 15:40:39 +0300 The bloody motherboard was simply broken. I replaced it and so far everything seems to be working. Thanks for the advices and wild guesses... -- kli
Subject: Re: S1386 DLUAN-GX Question From: TPS aros.net> Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1999 10:24:43 -0600 I meant 1836 TPS wrote: When looking at the properties of the SCSI driver (aic78xx.sys) it shows an IRQ of 72. Is this normal? I have the 1.16a bios. I am asking this because I still BSOD when entering the disk manager under NT4SP4 saying IRQ GREATER ..... with aic78xx.sys being the offending process. Thanks TPS
Subject: Re: winnt 4.0 "system halted" on s1836dluan-bx From: "Bob Provencher" nospamcoginteractive.com> Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 22:54:46 -0400 Jack, Thanks for the input. I thought it was hardware but since the problem only occurs in the BackOffice install, and it's happened three times now (actually I've narrowed it down to the Option Pak), I'm sure it's something wierd they're doing. I've switched back to the std vga driver, I'm going to make sure the intel and creative drivers are the latest. Do you happen to remember what service you stopped to fix it? -- Bob Provencher - ICQ 881862 - Internet, Graphics, Multimedia, Games Aesir Software Cog Interactive bproven at aesirsoft dot com bproven at coginteractive dot com http://www.aesirsoft.com http://www.coginteractive.com Jack wrote in message ... >Try to terminate any unneeded processes using task manager and try the >BackOffice intstall again. Also make sure that all the driver are current >and up to date. I had a similar problem to yours. Stopping a service that >wasn't really needed fixed it. > >Jack >jack jackscomputers.tzo.com
Subject: S.M.A.R.T for ide and scsi on s1836dlu From: Adrial clementeallstars.com> Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 19:29:04 -0400 for the ide, i hit enable in the bios, but where do i get the information that S.M.A.R.T supplies for ide? And as for scsi, i see no place to enable it, but i'm guessing that any data from S.M.A.R.T that can be viewed for scsi, can be viewed with ezscsi, am i right? thankx
Subject: Re: S.M.A.R.T for ide and scsi on s1836dlu From: "Richard Hopkins" dial.pipex.nospam> Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 01:50:43 +0100 Adrial clementeallstars.com> wrote in message news:371281C0.C23CD95F clementeallstars.com... > for the ide, i hit enable in the bios, but where do i get the > information that S.M.A.R.T supplies for ide? It is displayed at the end of the POST sequence. If your discs are SMART capable and healthy, you'll have to look hard to spot the information as it is only displayed on screen for a fraction of a second. If there is a problem with any of your discs, the boot process will be held with the SMART diagnostic information displayed on screen. -- Richard Hopkins, (replace .nospam with .com in reply address) Cardiff, Wales, United Kingdom Send all my spam to: duisenberg reichstag.de
Subject: S1836DLUAN & Rage Fury From: gstrom easoftware.com (Gregory J. Strom) Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 17:54:10 -0400 First let me thank all those who responded to my earlier post re: my problem with the CL Riva TNT. In the end, I spent 3+ months and way too many hours attempting to get this card to work. No BIOS settings, Video BIOS and driver updates (CL & NVIDIA) in any practicle combination could be made to work. Then, I purchased a ATI Rage Fury card. Installation couldn't have been simpler - change the drivers to standard VGA, rip out the TNT, put the ATI card in and install the drivers for NT4 & W98. Now I know why people are so excited by 3D games. Falcon4 runs at 16x12 with full detail - gorgeous. Other 3D games also now work just fine. If you've been struggling with a CL Riva TNT, you may wish to give this card a try. Greg -- Engineered Applications Software, Inc.
Subject: S1836 Thunder 100 AGP and NT4 From: Erik Pampalone ix.netcom.com> Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 15:03:27 -0700 I just purchased the S1836 and installed NT 4.0 (w/ sp3). I have attempted to get the Viper v550 AGP card and the Monster Fusion AGP card (both by Diamond) to run more than 16 colors, to no avail. Has anyone had else had a problem getting this board to work using AGP while running NT? Things I have tried: 1. Install sp3 - reboot Install drivers - reboot Install sp3 - reboot and many variations on this 2. Changing the chip set PCI1 to PCI0 = Enabled with the above (1) repeated 3. Turning plug and play off with the above (1 and 2) repeated Thanks for any help
Subject: Re: S1836 Thunder 100 AGP and NT4 From: "Daniel Binkis" osu.edu> Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 19:54:10 -0400 Try installing Service Pack 4. It addresses AGP incompatabilities with NT4. I had to do that with my Thunder 2 AGP before I could get it to work properly, once I did, tho'... no problems. Dan binkis.1 osu.edu Erik Pampalone ix.netcom.com> wrote in message > I just purchased the S1836 and installed NT 4.0 (w/ sp3). I have > attempted to get the Viper v550 AGP card and the Monster Fusion AGP card > (both by Diamond) to run more than 16 colors, to no avail. > Has anyone had else had a problem getting this board to work using AGP > while running NT? > Things I have tried: > 1. Install sp3 - reboot > Install drivers - reboot > Install sp3 - reboot > and many variations on this > > 2. Changing the chip set > PCI1 to PCI0 = Enabled > with the above (1) repeated > > 3. Turning plug and play off > with the above (1 and 2) repeated > > Thanks for any help >
Subject: Re: S1836 Thunder 100 AGP and NT4 From: "Goobermensch" qwerty.com> Date: 14 Apr 1999 22:07:12 -0500 Check the BIOS cache settings and make sure they're all disabled. I had the same problem with an ATI Rage Fury, and the problem went away when I disabled the cache. I think the problem is that NT bypasses the BIOS, so the BIOS cache and the device get out of synch. Hope that helps, Dennis Erik Pampalone wrote in message >I just purchased the S1836 and installed NT 4.0 (w/ sp3). I have >attempted to get the Viper v550 AGP card and the Monster Fusion AGP card >(both by Diamond) to run more than 16 colors, to no avail.
Subject: Re: S1836 Thunder 100 AGP and NT4 From: "Dennis Hoover" <"no spam"me dhoover.com> Date: 14 Apr 1999 22:13:04 -0500 Check the BIOS cache settings and make sure they're all disabled. I had the same problem with an ATI Rage Fury, and the problem went away when I disabled the cache. I think the problem is that NT bypasses the BIOS, so the BIOS cache and the device get out of synch. Hope that helps, Dennis Erik Pampalone wrote in message >I just purchased the S1836 and installed NT 4.0 (w/ sp3). I have >attempted to get the Viper v550 AGP card and the Monster Fusion AGP card >(both by Diamond) to run more than 16 colors, to no avail.
Subject: Re: S1836 Thunder 100 AGP and NT4 From: "Bob Provencher" coginteractive.com> Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 13:33:54 -0400 Erik Pampalone wrote in message >I just purchased the S1836 and installed NT 4.0 (w/ sp3). I have >attempted to get the Viper v550 AGP card and the Monster Fusion AGP card >(both by Diamond) to run more than 16 colors, to no avail. >Has anyone had else had a problem getting this board to work using AGP >while running NT? >Things I have tried: >1. Install sp3 - reboot > Install drivers - reboot > Install sp3 - reboot >and many variations on this > >2. Changing the chip set > PCI1 to PCI0 = Enabled > with the above (1) repeated > >3. Turning plug and play off > with the above (1 and 2) repeated I'm running a Matrox Mystique G200 AGP on 4.0SP3 and it works fine. -- Bob Provencher - ICQ 881862 - Internet, Graphics, Multimedia, Games Aesir Software Cog Interactive bproven at aesirsoft dot com bproven at coginteractive dot com http://www.aesirsoft.com http://www.coginteractive.com
Subject: Re: S1836 Thunder 100 AGP and NT4 From: Erik Pampalone ix.netcom.com> Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 22:21:45 -0700 I got it to work by changing the chip set PCI1 to PCI0 = Enabled and installing sp4 Thanks for all the responses
Subject: Thunder 100 and Linux From: Jeff Ewy worldnet.att.net> Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 18:17:24 -0700 Has anyone successfully run Linux on this board with the bilt in network card and sound?
Subject: Tyan Thunder 100 S1836 DLU and Dual Celeron From: Norbert Goebel uni-duesseldorf.de> Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 02:56:47 +0200 Did anybody try to use this board with Dual Celerons (especially Dual PGA Celerons with 370 -> Slot1 adapter)? Have you been successfully? Where you able to overclock the dual CPUs? Norbert
Subject: Tyan Thunder 100 S1836 DLU and Dual Celeron From: Norbert Goebel uni-duesseldorf.de> Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 02:57:49 +0200 Did anybody try to use this board with Dual Celerons (especially Dual PGA Celerons with 370 -> Slot1 adapter)? Have you been successfully? Where you able to overclock the dual CPUs? Norbert
Subject: Re: Tyan Thunder 100 S1836 DLU and Dual Celeron From: Mark Wilson shaw.wave.ca> Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 02:01:29 GMT Yep, I'm running a dual 300A PPGA w/MSI 6905 slotkets. Since this is an LX based board there is no chance of overlocking them. Tried to get it to work with PC100 slotkets but couldn't get it to boot with both cpu's in. Been running RC5 challenge "Bovine" code under Warp Server for e business for about a month now along with playing with different things with no problems.. Norbert Goebel wrote: > > Did anybody try to use this board with Dual Celerons (especially Dual > PGA Celerons with 370 -> Slot1 adapter)? > Have you been successfully? > Where you able to overclock the dual CPUs? > > Norbert
Subject: Re: Tyan Thunder 100 S1836 DLU and Dual Celeron From: Norbert Goebel uni-duesseldorf.de> Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 18:15:47 +0200 Good to hear that one of Tyans board is working well with Daul Celerons, but I think you do not own the S1836 Thunder 100 (could it be yours is the Tiger 100?), because the S1836 is a BX or GX board (depending on the DLU or DLUAN) and I am definetly planning to overclock my two 300A PPGAs to dual 450, but for this I have to wait for my MSI 6905 slockets to arrive (that will take to more weeks). Norbert Mark Wilson wrote: > > Yep, I'm running a dual 300A PPGA w/MSI 6905 slotkets. Since this is an > LX based board there is no chance of overlocking them. Tried to get it > to work with PC100 slotkets but couldn't get it to boot with both cpu's > in. Been running RC5 challenge "Bovine" code under Warp Server for > e business for about a month now along with playing with different > things with no problems.. > > Norbert Goebel wrote: > > > > Did anybody try to use this board with Dual Celerons (especially Dual > > PGA Celerons with 370 -> Slot1 adapter)? > > Have you been successfully? > > Where you able to overclock the dual CPUs? > > > > Norbert
Subject: Re: Tyan Thunder 100 S1836 DLU and Dual Celeron From: CB dakotacom.net> Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 12:20:13 -0700 S1832DL with dual 300As/MS-6905 slockets run fine 450 (NT4sp4). Any reason to think that Tyan's boards wouldn't work? CB Norbert Goebel wrote: > > Good to hear that one of Tyans board is working well with Daul Celerons, > but I think you do not own the S1836 Thunder 100 (could it be yours is > the Tiger 100?), because the S1836 is a BX or GX board (depending on the > DLU or DLUAN) and I am definetly planning to overclock my two 300A PPGAs > to dual 450, but for this I have to wait for my MSI 6905 slockets to > arrive (that will take to more weeks). > > Norbert > > Mark Wilson wrote: > > > > Yep, I'm running a dual 300A PPGA w/MSI 6905 slotkets. Since this is an > > LX based board there is no chance of overlocking them. Tried to get it > > to work with PC100 slotkets but couldn't get it to boot with both cpu's > > in. Been running RC5 challenge "Bovine" code under Warp Server for > > e business for about a month now along with playing with different > > things with no problems.. > > > > Norbert Goebel wrote: > > > > > > Did anybody try to use this board with Dual Celerons (especially Dual > > > PGA Celerons with 370 -> Slot1 adapter)? > > > Have you been successfully? > > > Where you able to overclock the dual CPUs? > > > > > > Norbert
Subject: Re: Tyan Thunder 100 S1836 DLU and Dual Celeron From: Norbert Goebel uni-duesseldorf.de> Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 23:19:57 +0200 CB wrote: > > S1832DL with dual 300As/MS-6905 slockets run fine 450 (NT4sp4). > > Any reason to think that Tyan's boards wouldn't work? > Yes and no. I think Tyan makes great boards which are stable like hell (after beeing flashed with a working bios), but the biosses they release are sh.. . Or they advertise their boards to support celerons, you by one and end up flashing a "new" bios (which is already 3 month old) with a P2 and a non agp-vga (lucky me to have both at hand) to be able to use the celeron and the agp-vga. With this knowledge about the board I think everything is possible with non-sandard use. Please do not misunderstand me, I really like my Tyan board and do not want another one, but the bios-support is really not worth talking about. Norbert
Subject: Re: Tyan Thunder 100 S1836 DLU and Dual Celeron From: legodude home.net (mike dombrowski) Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 18:59:10 GMT On Sat, 17 Apr 1999 02:01:29 GMT, Mark Wilson shaw.wave.ca> wrote: >Yep, I'm running a dual 300A PPGA w/MSI 6905 slotkets. Since this is an >LX based board there is no chance of overlocking them. Tried to get it >to work with PC100 slotkets but couldn't get it to boot with both cpu's >in. Been running RC5 challenge "Bovine" code under Warp Server for >e business for about a month now along with playing with different >things with no problems.. > Um, no. It's a BX or for the newers one GX iirc. Unless the converters are the bad kind and do't allow you to overclock you should be able to hit 450ish with your 300s. PC100 slotkets? Mike
Subject: Re: Tyan Thunder 100 S1836 DLU and Dual Celeron From: Norbert Goebel uni-duesseldorf.de> Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 23:12:27 +0200 > Um, no. It's a BX or for the newers one GX iirc. Unless the converters > are the bad kind and do't allow you to overclock you should be able to > hit 450ish with your 300s. PC100 slotkets? At the moment I am using one PC100 slocket to test the 300A PPGAs if they work without problems in single use at 450 MHz (and they do, but they didn=B4t when I was using a no-name slocket-adapter). I only have one of them, because I ordered two MSI MS 6905 slockets but wanted to test the Celerons before trying to Dual them.
Subject: Re: Tyan Thunder 100 S1836 DLU and Dual Celeron From: sflaxa hotmail.com Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 11:53:12 GMT The THUNDER 100 S1836DLU I S BX > Yep, I'm running a dual 300A PPGA w/MSI 6905 slotkets. Since this is an > LX based board there is no chance of overlocking them. Tried to get it > to work with PC100 slotkets but couldn't get it to boot with both cpu's > in. Been running RC5 challenge "Bovine" code under Warp Server for > e business for about a month now along with playing with different > things with no problems.. > > Norbert Goebel wrote: > > > > Did anybody try to use this board with Dual Celerons (especially Dual > > PGA Celerons with 370 -> Slot1 adapter)? > > Have you been successfully? > > Where you able to overclock the dual CPUs? > > > > Norbert ====== Subject: Re: Tyan Thunder 100 S1836 DLU and Dual Celeron From: Mark Wilson shaw.wave.ca> Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 15:20:47 GMT Sorry, the Thunder II is an LX (1696DLUA), not sure if I was explicit in my previous post... sflaxa hotmail.com wrote: > > The THUNDER 100 S1836DLU I S BX > > > Yep, I'm running a dual 300A PPGA w/MSI 6905 slotkets. Since this is an > > LX based board there is no chance of overlocking them. Tried to get it > > to work with PC100 slotkets but couldn't get it to boot with both cpu's > > in. Been running RC5 challenge "Bovine" code under Warp Server for > > e business for about a month now along with playing with different > > things with no problems.. > > > > Norbert Goebel wrote: > > > > > > Did anybody try to use this board with Dual Celerons (especially Dual > > > PGA Celerons with 370 -> Slot1 adapter)? > > > Have you been successfully? > > > Where you able to overclock the dual CPUs? > > > > > > Norbert > -- > Official address - sunflux geocities.com > > -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- > http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own
Subject: Re: Tyan Thunder 100 S1836 DLU and Dual Celeron From: mmayhle crl.com (Mark Mayhle) Date: 18 Apr 1999 09:52:14 -0700 In article <3717DC4F.3571E10E uni-duesseldorf.de>, Norbert Goebel uni-duesseldorf.de> wrote: >Did anybody try to use this board with Dual Celerons (especially Dual >PGA Celerons with 370 -> Slot1 adapter)? Yes (1836DLUAN GX). >Have you been successfully? Yes. >Where you able to overclock the dual CPUs? Yes. Win98, WinNT4Sp4, and BeOSR4, dual C300a with modified MS-6905 adapters at 450 MHz (only 1 processor works in Win98, of course)-- no significant problems. Other details: 2 Seagate 9.1 gig UW SCSI drives and Pioneer DVD-303S SCSI DVD-ROM drive on onboard SCSI; 2 Maxtor 17.2 gig UDMA drives on Promise FastTrak IDE RAID controller. 128 meg generic PC100 RAM. Onboard sound and Ethernet working fine in all 3 OS's. -- Mark Mayhle mmayhle crl.com (preferred address) mmayhle netcom.com (please use only if mail to crl.com bounces)
Subject: Re: Tyan Thunder 100 S1836 DLU and Dual Celeron From: "Urs Steiner" maximilianeum.ch> Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 22:01:58 +0200 Lo Mark Slightly off-topic: > Other details: 2 Seagate 9.1 gig UW SCSI drives and Pioneer > DVD-303S SCSI DVD-ROM drive on onboard SCSI; 2 Maxtor 17.2 gig i'm thinking of buying a dvd-rom drive ... you had no problem with the pionier drive in NT or 9x ? all run ning smooth ? tia Urs -- mail: urs [dot] steiner [at] switzerland [dot] org http://www.vis.ethz.ch/~urs/
Subject: Re: Tyan Thunder 100 S1836 DLU and Dual Celeron From: mmayhle crl.com (Mark Mayhle) Date: 19 Apr 1999 17:28:28 -0700 "Urs Steiner" maximilianeum.ch> wrote: >Slightly off-topic: >> Other details: 2 Seagate 9.1 gig UW SCSI drives and Pioneer >> DVD-303S SCSI DVD-ROM drive on onboard SCSI; 2 Maxtor 17.2 gig > >i'm thinking of buying a dvd-rom drive ... >you had no problem with the pionier drive in NT or 9x ? all run ning >smooth ? It works fine as a CD-ROM in NT and BeOS-- no s/w DVD players for them yet. It runs very nicely in Win98 for DVD's. -- Mark Mayhle mmayhle crl.com (preferred address) mmayhle netcom.com (please use only if mail to crl.com bounces)
Subject: Re: S1836DLUAN (Thunder 100) Problems From: "Steve Carr" concentric.net> Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 12:57:22 -0400 Omar D'Angelo canada.com> wrote in message Is anyone using an AGP graphics card with this motherboard that does not have any problems? If so, what card are you using? Based on the above, could it be possible that I have a bad motherboard? Any information would be helpful. I used a ATI All-in-Wonder Pro 8m AGP and am now using a Voodoo3 3000 AGP both with no problems at all. Steve
Subject: Re: S1836DLUAN (Thunder 100) Problems From: "Urs Steiner" maximilianeum.ch> Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 19:53:44 +0200 Lo Steve > Is anyone using an AGP graphics card with this motherboard that does not > have any problems? If so, what card are you using? a colleague of mine is running it with an ELSA Erazor II AGP (Riva TNT) and i haven't heard of any problems from him, which i would have as i assembled it :) Urs -- mail: urs [dot] steiner [at] switzerland [dot] org http://www.vis.ethz.ch/~urs/
Subject: Re: S1836DLUAN (Thunder 100) Problems From: "dhouseholder" mediaone.net> Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 09:12:07 -0500 I have a Diamond Viper V550 TNT. I had a problem early on with my SB Live! card but moved it to 2nd PCI slot and everything works great. Great motherboard! Urs Steiner maximilianeum.ch> wrote in message > Lo Steve > > > Is anyone using an AGP graphics card with this motherboard that does not > > have any problems? If so, what card are you using? > > a colleague of mine is running it with an ELSA Erazor II AGP (Riva TNT) > and i haven't heard of any problems from him, which i would have as i > assembled it :) > > Urs > > -- > mail: urs [dot] steiner [at] switzerland [dot] org > http://www.vis.ethz.ch/~urs/
Subject: Re: S1836DLUAN (Thunder 100) Problems From: cbm_spam headspace.com (Chris Muir) Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 11:40:57 -0700 > Omar D'Angelo canada.com> wrote in message > Is anyone using an AGP graphics card with this motherboard that does not > have any problems? If so, what card are you using? I'm using a Diamond Riva TNT AGP board with no problems. I think that you need to be using BIOS 1.12 or later for robust AGP support. Chris
Subject: Re: S1836DLUAN (Thunder 100) Problems From: npowroz.nospam home.com (Norm Powroz) Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 21:18:11 GMT On Sun, 18 Apr 1999 12:57:22 -0400, "Steve Carr" concentric.net> wrote: >I used a ATI All-in-Wonder Pro 8m AGP and am now using a Voodoo3 3000 AGP >both with no problems at all. > >Steve Checking in -- Matrox Millenium G200 AGP in my 1836 w/twin 400s -- no problems of any sort since day 1. Check your card to make sure it is seated correctly -- AGP cards are notorious for being flakey if they don't make absolutely perfect contact in the slot.
Subject: Re: S1836DLUAN (Thunder 100) Problems From: "Andy Collins" hawaii.rr.com> Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 12:15:35 -1000 I am running an STB Velocity 4400 AGP 16 MB with no problems whatsoever. Steve Carr concentric.net> wrote in message news:7fd2p5$2k1$1 usenet48.supernews.com... > > Omar D'Angelo canada.com> wrote in message > news:7dnfr8$sqj edrn.newsguy.com... > Is anyone using an AGP graphics card with this motherboard that does not > have any problems? If so, what card are you using? Based on the above, could > it be possible that I have a bad motherboard? Any information would be > helpful. > > > I used a ATI All-in-Wonder Pro 8m AGP and am now using a Voodoo3 3000 AGP > both with no problems at all. > > Steve
Subject: Re: S1836DLUAN (Thunder 100) Problems From: 3mil my-dejanews.com Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 10:31:46 GMT Again : MATROX Millennium G200 AGP and S1836 : PERFECT Great image quality from the G200 (& the 1836)! s > I am running an STB Velocity 4400 AGP 16 MB with no problems whatsoever. > > Steve Carr concentric.net> wrote in message > > > > Omar D'Angelo canada.com> wrote in message > > Is anyone using an AGP graphics card with this motherboard that does not > > have any problems? If so, what card are you using? Based on the above, could > > it be possible that I have a bad motherboard? Any information would be > > helpful. > > > > > > I used a ATI All-in-Wonder Pro 8m AGP and am now using a Voodoo3 3000 AGP > > both with no problems at all. > > > > Steve
Subject: S1836DLUAN : ISA or PCI ISDN? Does PCI consume less? From: sflaxa hotmail.com Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 22:37:57 GMT Hi, I am going to connect to my THUNDER 100 an ISDN internal TA : the http://www.avm.de 's CONTROLLER B1 . It's an ACTIVE ISDN card (integrated RISC processor at 20MIPS and 1Mb of RAM) which features CAPI 2.0 drivers specifically designed for the NT Multiprocessor Kernel. OK, my only doubt is about the interface type to choose : ISA or PCI? The ISA is jumpered and lets you set the I/O address and IRQ manually and it ISN'T PnP. The PCI is totally PnP and everything is defined by the TYAN's AMIBIOS. What do you suggest me? Is it TRUE THAT ISA modems/controllers slow the system down? Can a PCI device really use less CPU resources? The SPEED difference between the ISA and the PCI buses isn't important for a 128Kbps device and I wouldn't need PnP because I PREFER manual configurations and I use NT4SP4 WITHOUT the annoying (for me) PNPISA.SYS . Anyway I'd like to know more about the ISA«»PCI difference. May the DEC PCI Bridge of the 1836 (now abandoned, who knows why) cancel any possible advantage of the PCI? I'm waiting for your information about this : THANK YOU! g
Subject: Re: S1836DLUAN : ISA or PCI ISDN? Does PCI consume less? From: "Bob LaPierre" iname.com> Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 17:51:45 -0400 I would think that with 1 (shared) ISA slot and 6 PCI slots, you'd go with the PCI version..... -bob hotmail.com> wrote in message > > > Hi, > > I am going to connect to my THUNDER 100 an ISDN > internal TA : the http://www.avm.de 's CONTROLLER B1 . > It's an ACTIVE ISDN card (integrated RISC processor > at 20MIPS and 1Mb of RAM) which features CAPI 2.0 drivers > specifically designed for the NT Multiprocessor Kernel. > OK, my only doubt is about the interface type to choose : > ISA or PCI? The ISA is jumpered and lets > you set the I/O address and IRQ manually and it ISN'T PnP. > The PCI is totally PnP and everything is defined by the > TYAN's AMIBIOS. What do you suggest me? Is it TRUE THAT > ISA modems/controllers slow the system down? Can a PCI > device really use less CPU resources? The SPEED difference > between the ISA and the PCI buses isn't important for > a 128Kbps device and I wouldn't need PnP because I PREFER > manual configurations and I use NT4SP4 WITHOUT the annoying > (for me) PNPISA.SYS . Anyway I'd like to know more about > the ISA«»PCI difference. > May the DEC PCI Bridge of the 1836 (now abandoned, who knows why) > cancel any possible advantage of the PCI? > > I'm waiting for your information about this : THANK YOU! > > g
Subject: Re: S1836DLUAN : ISA or PCI ISDN? Does PCI consume less? From: sflaxa hotmail.com Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 15:28:56 GMT OK, Thank you Bob, but you don't know if there's any REAL advantage from using a PCI instead of ISA ISDN card. And this's what I need to know g "Bob LaPierre" iname.com> wrote: > I would think that with 1 (shared) ISA slot and 6 PCI slots, you'd go with > the PCI version..... > > -bob
Subject: Re: S1836DLUAN : ISA or PCI ISDN? Does PCI consume less? From: "Bob LaPierre" iname.com> Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 17:40:01 -0400 sorry... I don't know of a performance advantage (since it'll hurry across the ISA bus 3 MB/sec to slow down to 128k/sec just as well as it'll hurry across the PCI bus 127 MB/sec to slow down to 128k/sec.). But PCI cards are easier to configure (in my opinion), since they will determine a free IRQ and memory address automatically (no jumpers, conflicts, etc.). Also, PCI devices can share IRQs, unlike ISA devices (and with the limited amount of free IRQs on the Thunder 100 [because of all the integrated stuff], I'd prefer not to "permanently" tie an IRQ up for an ISA device). Besides, it's like I said before, if you use your only ISA slot, you've got none left for that future ISA upgrade.. :) Personally, I'd go with the PCI version. -bob hotmail.com> wrote in message > OK, Thank you Bob, but you don't know if there's > any REAL advantage from using a PCI instead of ISA > ISDN card. > > And this's what I need to know > > g
Subject: Re: S1836DLUAN : ISA or PCI ISDN? Does PCI consume less? From: lalas my-dejanews.com Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 17:02:33 GMT Well Bob, not always ISA is easier than PCI-PnP to configure. Many cards don't accept to SHARE their IRQ with other devices..while the PnP-BIOS often assigns shared IRQ's too freely. ISA is most of times manually configurable and you can tell the BIOS to reserve an IRQ just to the ISA-Legacy card. I don't think a sort of "network" card like an ISDN internal Terminal Adapter would accept to SHARE anything : so I'd suggest SFLAXA to take the ISA version. Unfortunately I don't know about any possible generic disadvantage from using ISA instead of PCI (CPU utilization?!) : I'd like to know more about this, too. See you, LALAS > sorry... I don't know of a performance advantage (since it'll hurry across > the ISA bus 3 MB/sec to slow down to 128k/sec just as well as it'll hurry > across the PCI bus 127 MB/sec to slow down to 128k/sec.). But PCI cards > are easier to configure (in my opinion), since they will determine a free > IRQ and memory address automatically (no jumpers, conflicts, etc.). Also, > PCI devices can share IRQs, unlike ISA devices (and with the limited amount > of free IRQs on the Thunder 100 [because of all the integrated stuff], I'd > prefer not to "permanently" tie an IRQ up for an ISA device). > > Besides, it's like I said before, if you use your only ISA slot, you've got > none left for that future ISA upgrade.. :) > > Personally, I'd go with the PCI version. > > -bob
Subject: Re: S1836DLUAN : ISA or PCI ISDN? Does PCI consume less? From: "Bob LaPierre" iname.com> Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 17:37:57 -0400 I always liked ISA devices that I could manually configure... but I absolutely *hate* PNP ISA devices.... so once upon a time I vowed never to use a PNP board. PCI however, (while not actually "Plug & Play" - that's a Microsoft moniker) just seem to work (assuming the OS can handle IRQ steering properly. Also, FWIW, on the Thunder 100 both SCSI channels share the same IRQ as the video (and on mine the same IRQ as my Monster Sound MX-300) with no problems whatsoever.... and I'm sure that those devices have a considerably higher throughput than an ISDN board. But then again, I won't lose any sleep regardless of which card he gets (or if he even gets a card at all). -bob > Well Bob, not always ISA is easier than PCI-PnP to configure. > Many cards don't accept to SHARE their IRQ with other > devices..while the PnP-BIOS often assigns shared IRQ's > too freely. ISA is most of times manually configurable > and you can tell the BIOS to reserve an IRQ just to > the ISA-Legacy card. I don't think a sort of "network" > card like an ISDN internal Terminal Adapter would accept > to SHARE anything : so I'd suggest SFLAXA to take the > ISA version. Unfortunately I don't know about any > possible generic disadvantage from using ISA instead of > PCI (CPU utilization?!) : I'd like to know more about > this, too.
Subject: Re: S1836DLUAN : ISA or PCI ISDN? Does PCI consume less? From: lalas my-dejanews.com Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 21:45:26 GMT > Well Bob, not always ISA is easier than PCI-PnP to configure. ^^^^^ Sorry, I meant "..ISA more difficult than PCI-PnP"! > Many cards don't accept to SHARE their IRQ with other > devices..while the PnP-BIOS often assigns shared IRQ's > too freely. ISA is most of times manually configurable > and you can tell the BIOS to reserve an IRQ just to > the ISA-Legacy card. I don't think a sort of "network" > card like an ISDN internal Terminal Adapter would accept > to SHARE anything : so I'd suggest SFLAXA to take the > ISA version. Unfortunately I don't know about any > possible generic disadvantage from using ISA instead of > PCI (CPU utilization?!) : I'd like to know more about > this, too. > > See you, LALAS > > > sorry... I don't know of a performance advantage (since it'll hurry across > > the ISA bus 3 MB/sec to slow down to 128k/sec just as well as it'll hurry > > across the PCI bus 127 MB/sec to slow down to 128k/sec.). But PCI cards > > are easier to configure (in my opinion), since they will determine a free > > IRQ and memory address automatically (no jumpers, conflicts, etc.). Also, > > PCI devices can share IRQs, unlike ISA devices (and with the limited amount > > of free IRQs on the Thunder 100 [because of all the integrated stuff], I'd > > prefer not to "permanently" tie an IRQ up for an ISA device). > > > > Besides, it's like I said before, if you use your only ISA slot, you've got > > none left for that future ISA upgrade.. :) > > > > Personally, I'd go with the PCI version. > > > > -bob
Subject: S1836DLUAN-GX and AIC-7880 driver under NT From: mjdewitt my-dejanews.com Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 16:02:31 GMT Hi, Just finished building a dual celeron system and ran into a number of problems with the setup. I was experiencing BSOD's related to the AIC-7880 driver during heavy disk utilization. I was using the driver provided by Tyan (installed per their instructions) and it was NG. I changed it out for the driver at Adaptec's site and everything has been hunky-dory since. Also, I ran into the FSB idiosyncracy of this board. If you disable the Overclocking warning message, changes to the FSB are ignored. The system will post at the correct speed, but never actually run it. I would be very suspect of anyone using a Tan board claiming "piece of cake" oc'ing of processors beyond 103 MHZ because they would probably have disabled the warnng message. Wouldn't you if you didn't know better? Also, if you override the FSB of the processor (than god for slotkets), the MB will pause during boot for you to press a key before actually launching the OS. This will prevent restarting the machine unless someone is there to "press any key." What was Tyan thinking? Mike
Subject: Re: S1836DLUAN-GX and AIC-7880 driver under NT From: mjdewitt my-dejanews.com Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 17:55:26 GMT Sorry I meant to say aic-78xx driver. In article <7fi8el$t0m$1 nnrp1.dejanews.com>, mjdewitt my-dejanews.com wrote: > Hi, > > Just finished building a dual celeron system and ran into a number of problems > with the setup. I was experiencing BSOD's related to the AIC-7880 driver > during heavy disk utilization. I was using the driver provided by Tyan > (installed per their instructions) and it was NG. I changed it out for the > driver at Adaptec's site and everything has been hunky-dory since. > > Also, I ran into the FSB idiosyncracy of this board. If you disable the > Overclocking warning message, changes to the FSB are ignored. The system will > post at the correct speed, but never actually run it. I would be very suspect > of anyone using a Tan board claiming "piece of cake" oc'ing of processors > beyond 103 MHZ because they would probably have disabled the warnng message. > Wouldn't you if you didn't know better? > > Also, if you override the FSB of the processor (than god for slotkets), the > MB will pause during boot for you to press a key before actually launching > the OS. This will prevent restarting the machine unless someone is there to > "press any key." What was Tyan thinking? > > Mike
Subject: Re: S1836DLUAN-GX and AIC-7880 driver under NT From: CB dakotacom.net> Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 22:44:28 -0700 mjdewitt my-dejanews.com wrote: > > Hi, > > Just finished building a dual celeron system and ran into a number of problems > with the setup. I was experiencing BSOD's related to the AIC-7880 driver > during heavy disk utilization. I was using the driver provided by Tyan > (installed per their instructions) and it was NG. I changed it out for the > driver at Adaptec's site and everything has been hunky-dory since. > > Also, I ran into the FSB idiosyncracy of this board. If you disable the > Overclocking warning message, changes to the FSB are ignored. The system will > post at the correct speed, but never actually run it. I would be very suspect > of anyone using a Tan board claiming "piece of cake" oc'ing of processors > beyond 103 MHZ because they would probably have disabled the warnng message. > Wouldn't you if you didn't know better? > > Also, if you override the FSB of the processor (than god for slotkets), the > MB will pause during boot for you to press a key before actually launching > the OS. This will prevent restarting the machine unless someone is there to > "press any key." What was Tyan thinking? Yes I have seen some posts complaining about this here. The MS6905 adapters have a jumper to prevent the auto detection of the FSB speed and thus bypass the warning if you are running at 100mhz - is that what you are doing? I doubt Tyan will fix the Bios to allow unrestricted user choice of FSB speed... CB
Subject: S1836 DLU and Daul Celeron Problem From: Norbert Goebel uni-duesseldorf.de> Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 19:07:22 +0200 Today I modified my MSI MS 6905 slockets to run dual 300A celerons with it. My first try to use a Linux SMP-Kernel (2.0.36 kernel) (from Suse 6.0 (still waiting for my Suse 6.1 to arrive) worked fine on the prompt, but starting x did start x, but the mouse and the keyboard where not respoinding any longer, but for example top was running and updated periodically. I than found the feature "SMP Buggie Bios workaround" or something like that and turned it on. Now I am able to startx and use the mouse and keyboard in x, but my mouse is not smothly sliding over the screen, it is hopping and stopping (and sometimes doing absolutely nothing until I press any key). If I press a key on the keyboard during mousmovements, it gets smooth again, if I take my finger from the key it starts hopping again. Does anybody have an idea what this can be? I tried the Celerons at 450 and 300 with no difference. I have not reinstalled NT for Dual-processors. Win98 is behaving the same as before. My configuration: Tyan Thunder 100 DLU 2 x Celeron PPGA 300A on MSI MS6905 (modified) 2 x 128 MB PC100 SDRAM 2 UW SCSI HDD 1 U SCSI CD-ROM SB 128 PCI Creative Riva TNT AVM Fritz-Card Classic (ISDN-Card) NE-2000 compatible PCI 10 M-Bit Any replies are welcome. Norbert
Subject: Re: S1836 DLU and Daul Celeron Problem From: Norbert Goebel uni-duesseldorf.de> Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 21:17:28 +0200 It seems, that my Logitech PS/2 mouse caused these problems. I switched to a serial Logitech Mouse and everything works smooth without any hangups of mouse and keyboard. Is this a common problem? Does SMP imply no PS/2 mouse?
Subject: Re: S1836 DLU and Daul Celeron Problem From: sratakeo aol.comdie (SRATakeo) Date: 21 Apr 1999 20:16:57 GMT Have you tried an MS or another manufacturer's PS/2 mouse
Subject: Re: S1836 DLU and Daul Celeron Problem From: Norbert Goebel mail.rz.uni-duesseldorf.de> Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 08:57:11 +0200 SRATakeo wrote: > Have you tried an MS or another manufacturer's PS/2 mouse No, becasue I only own Logitech mice and do not know one person owning another brand. But like I said, with a serial mouse (also Logitech) everything works fine.
Subject: Re: S1836 DLU and Daul Celeron Problem From: egle nu.ai-lab.fh-furtwangen.de (Markus Egle) Date: 22 Apr 1999 11:07:01 GMT Norbert Goebel (goebel mail.rz.uni-duesseldorf.de) wrote: : SRATakeo wrote: : > Have you tried an MS or another manufacturer's PS/2 mouse : No, becasue I only own Logitech mice and do not know one person owning : another brand. : But like I said, with a serial mouse (also Logitech) everything works : fine. I'm running this Board and Dual Celeron (Slot1 with mod.) with a Logitech PS/2 mouse. All fine. But due to SCSI errors I'm not able to run a Linux kernel above 2.0.34. -- Markus Egle -- Anti-Spam-Petition http://www.politik-digital.de/spam/
Subject: Re: S1836 DLU and Daul Celeron Problem From: CB dakotacom.net> Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 22:36:46 -0700 I am using a Logitech trackman marble+ PS2 with dual celerons on an S1832DL - haven't noticed any problems with SMP - just had a heck of a time with the marble fighting with my Wacom tablet on the serial port. Finally managed peaceful coexistence. Not sure why you might have trouble... CB Norbert Goebel wrote: > > It seems, that my Logitech PS/2 mouse caused these problems. I switched > to a serial Logitech Mouse and everything works smooth without any > hangups of mouse and keyboard. > > Is this a common problem? Does SMP imply no PS/2 mouse?
Subject: Re: S1836 DLU and Daul Celeron Problem From: "myth" nomail.com> Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 14:55:01 +0800 Norbert Goebel uni-duesseldorf.de> wrote in message > It seems, that my Logitech PS/2 mouse caused these problems. I switched > to a serial Logitech Mouse and everything works smooth without any > hangups of mouse and keyboard. > > Is this a common problem? Does SMP imply no PS/2 mouse? I'm using Suse 6.0 at the moment as well, with logitech first mouse +. The driver under Sax is the native P/S 2 one. I've tried kernel 2.0.36 before and the multi-processor support is as good as trash. Have since moved on to compile the 2.2.4 kernel. should get it. Dual processors work better under it.
Subject: Where to buy s1837d Thunder From: Ben Singh ix.netcom.nospam.com> Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 16:45:56 -0400 About a month ago someone gave me an address of a place with a real good price on the Tyan Thunder s1837d. Now I am ready to buy but I misplaced the address. If you could repost I would appreciate it. Thanks Ben
Subject: Re: Where to buy s1837d Thunder From: fhj52 my-dejanews.com Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 22:42:51 GMT Ben: I tried to buy the S1837UANG at all of the vendors listed at the Tyan site "where to buy". NONE have the board in stock. I don't know what the S1837 'D' is suppose to be. It's not listed at Tyan's web site. Could you check your numbers and elaborate? If it is a Thunderbolt without the SCSI, audio and network on-board - I'm interested... ric In article <371E3904.DFCFA96F ix.netcom.nospam.com>, Ben Singh ix.netcom.nospam.com> wrote: > About a month ago someone gave me an address of a place with a real good > price > on the Tyan Thunder s1837d. Now I am ready to buy but I misplaced the > address. If you could repost I would appreciate it. > > Thanks > Ben >
Subject: Tyan Thunder 100 S1836 DLU and WinNT4 problems From: Norbert Goebel uni-duesseldorf.de> Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 12:16:46 +0200 Yesterday I put in a second (modified) Celeron processor into the board and wanted to install NT (after I verified that Linux SMP and Win98 (only one CPU of course) ran OK). I used the 3 floppy method from Tyans FAQ (is there still no other way: for example copying the CD onto HD and than replacing the wrong scsi-driver with the one from CD?) and told NT to use the driverdisk and nothing else, I put in the 3rd disk and than NT tells me, that it can not access the HD where it precopied some files. What am I doing wrong? My Configuration: Tyan Thunder 100 DLU 2x Celeron 300A (correctly modified) 2 x 128 MB PC-100 SD-RAM Riva TNT PCI NE-2000 10 M-Bit card SB 128 PCI AVM Classic ISDN-Card 2 x SCSI HDDs (further described below) 1x Plector 40x cd-rom SCSI-Chains: On Chain 0 I only use the CD-Rom (ID4) with active termination On Chain1: terminated Controller --- U2W IBM DGHS 9,1GB (set to SE-mode and acting like UW HDD) as ID0 --- UW IBM DCAS 4,3 GB Hdd (terminated) as ID1 Partition Tables: DGHS: 1. Win98 partition 2,5 GB FAT32 2. extended partition with the rest of the hdd 2a) 3,6 GB FAT32 partition 2b) 3 GB Linux partition DCAS: 1. as primary partition I have the Linux SWAP partition (120MB) 2. the rest is extended partiton: 2a) 2 GB FAT (there I wanted to install NT) 2b) rest not partitioned, because of trying to get NT to run and having to remove the 4GB FAT32 partiton which rested here before) So my 2a) partition is recognized as drive c: under dos and it can be accessed during the creation of the nt disks and preinstall. Any suggestions are welcome. Norbert
Subject: Re: Tyan Thunder 100 S1836 DLU and WinNT4 problems From: "Bos" bellsouth.net> Date: Sat, 24 Apr 1999 01:38:15 -0400 Norbert, This partition, > 2a) 2 GB FAT (there I wanted to install NT), must be a primary to install NT. Create a second primary partition on the DCAS drive and try it again. Good luck. Bos
Subject: Help with Thunder 100 GX not powering up From: "Razor" bigfoot.com> Date: Sat, 24 Apr 1999 23:58:06 +0200 I only get the one of the leds (yellow) to light up, and nothing else. The CPU fan is rotating, but there is no other activity. If someone had a similar problem, and solved it, or if someone knows what it means when there is only yellow led lit up, please e-mail me or post to the group. Also, the board gives no speaker beeps. Thanks, Davor
Subject: Re: Help with Thunder 100 GX not powering up From: cbm_spam headspace.com (Chris Muir) Date: Sat, 24 Apr 1999 17:26:12 -0700 In article <7ftep8$486$1 as102.tel.hr>, "Razor" bigfoot.com> wrote: > I only get the one of the leds (yellow) to light up, and nothing else. The > CPU fan is rotating, but there is no other activity. > If someone had a similar problem, and solved it, or if someone knows what it > means when there is only yellow led lit up, please e-mail me or post to the > group. > Also, the board gives no speaker beeps. > Thanks, > Davor I had a problem similar to that when I first set up my 1836. That LED is supposed to be green. It turned out that my processor wasn't quite seated all the way. It takes more force than I initially thought to get the processor properly seated. Chris -- _____________________________________________________ Chris Muir | The Web Comes Alive With Music: cbm headspace.com | http://www.headspace.com/beatnik
Subject: Re: Help with Thunder 100 GX not powering up From: "Robert" fastlane.net> Date: Sat, 24 Apr 1999 21:52:02 -0500 Try disconnecting your reset button. I found this to be a problem with the TYAN motherboard. The TYAN is expecting "normally-closed" and the case is providing "normally-open" or vice-versa. Robert Razor bigfoot.com> wrote in message > I only get the one of the leds (yellow) to light up, and nothing else. The > CPU fan is rotating, but there is no other activity. > If someone had a similar problem, and solved it, or if someone knows what it > means when there is only yellow led lit up, please e-mail me or post to the > group. > Also, the board gives no speaker beeps. > Thanks, > Davor
Subject: Why No DMA Boxes for my 1836DLUAN? From: rednecks my-dejanews.com Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 10:48:20 GMT Why don't any DMA boxes show up under system props.? I have BIOS rev. 1.16b and Windows 98. All my relevant components are SCSI based. Could this be why?
Subject: Re: Why No DMA Boxes for my 1836DLUAN? From: lalas my-dejanews.com Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 11:04:26 GMT > Why don't any DMA boxes show up under system props.? I have BIOS rev. 1.16b > and Windows 98. All my relevant components are SCSI based. Could this be why? If you have SCSI HDD's you don't have any DMA box to check, if you have UDMA HDD's with TYAN BUSMASTER drivers you don't have any DMA box to check.
Subject: Tyan Thunder 100 S1836 DLU Windows NT Problems (again) From: Norbert Goebel uni-duesseldorf.de> Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 10:07:09 +0200 So, now I have installed NT 4.0 Workstation (german version) and it works as a basic installed system (no sound, no special VGA-driver). Now I get to the interesting part, installing a driver for my Creative Riva TNT graphics card. The driver from creative tells me I need Servicepack 3 or later. Because I have 3 I install it, reboot and than try to install the drivers. NT tells me that I have to reboot, what I do. After the reboot I go to the Display settings again, NT opens a window teling me, that a new driver has been installed and that it has switched it to a low resolution and I now can adjust the settings; I click on OK and NT shows me the same possibilities to choose from as with the normal VGA driver (only 16 colors at 640 x 480 or 800 x 600) and under config I see the same shitty standard vga driver installed. I now tried it with the original version of the TNT-driver detonator from Nvidia and the driver from creatives website. Nothing works. THe same happens if I want to install the drivers for my Soundblaster 128 PCI. NT installs the drivers, I reboot and no drivers are installed. Yes, I am doing the installs as administrator (because I didn't bother with creating user-profiles before the system runs correctly). Has anybody any suggestions? My system is like this: Tyan Thunder 100 S1836 DLU with Bios 1.16a 2 x Celeron 300 PPGA on modified MSI MS6905 slockets at 450 MHz (nothing changed if running them at 300) at 2.0 VCore (works fine with 98 and Linux) 2 x 128 MB PC 100 SD-Ram CreativeBlaster Riva TNT (latest Bios) Soundblaster 128 PCI PCI NE2000 10 M-Bit AVM FritzCard Classic (ISDN-card) another digital soundcard with sp-difs PCI Hauppauge Win/TV Primio 2 Harddrives at channel B of the onboard 3940UW 1 CD-Rom at channel A As statet before, the system runs perfectly stable under Linux (except the PS/2 mouse was not working with kernel 2.0.36, didn't try it with 2.2.5) and Win98 (only one CPU) and I have no difficulties there.
Subject: Re: Tyan Thunder 100 S1836 DLU Windows NT Problems (again) From: "Tony Panos" <00computer-geek home.com> Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 11:59:07 GMT I had similar issues with my Voodoo3 card. I has plug and play OS enabled in my BIOS. I changed plug and play OS to no and everything worked from there. My system is like this: Tyan Thunder 100 S1836 DLU with Bios 1.16a PII 450 2 x 128 MB PC 100 SD-Ram 2 Hard drives at channel A of the onboard 3940UW 1 CD-Rom at channel A I use all of the built in cards NIC, SCSI, and the pathetic sound card. Good Luck, Tony
Subject: Re: Tyan Thunder 100 S1836 DLU Windows NT Problems (again) From: Norbert Goebel uni-duesseldorf.de> Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 11:31:29 +0200 I tried this too and it didn't help. Even after completely reinstalling NT nothing changed.
Subject: Tyan S1836 NT Scsi timeout problem. From: madness XXXpost1.tele.dk (Mads Höllmer) Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 11:23:58 GMT Hi. I have a strange problem with NT4.0 SP4, My system hangs and when i take a look in the event viewer i see The device, \Device\ScsiPort2, did not respond within the timeout period. My system Tyan S1836, 2XPII 350Mhz 128Mb Ram Diamond Viper 550 3Com 905b NIC Miro DC10+ Ide devices IBM-DHEA-36480 Scsi Devices Ch. A Pioneer 36X CDRom Yamaha CRW4260 Sony SDT-5000 Ch. B Micropolis 3391WS Im booting from the micropolis disc, and i have no problems with Win98 But i could not install NT while the HD was on Ch. A so i moved it to Ch. B and i could install NT but the system i unstable under NT and i cant write a Cdrom I have tried to write to Tyan but no luck. Hope somebody can help. Mads H.
Subject: S1836 DLU and Riva TNT and NT4? From: Norbert Goebel uni-duesseldorf.de> Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 23:11:20 +0200 I hope somebody can help me with my problems: I try to install the NT-drivers fr my Riva TNT, but everytime NT tells me to reboot; I do this; Nt tells me, that there is a new graphics card and than I am again using the standard vga driver. I removed all other expansion cards and diabled all onboard periphs (except mouse, keyboard and SCSI) without any difference. I also removed one CPU for tests, nothing changed. I tried many bios options (like PNP aware OS enabled and disabled) and nothing works. My System: Tyan Thunder 100 SL1836 DLU with onboard Dual UW-SCSI Bios 1.16a 2 x Celeron 300A PPGA on modified MSI MS 6905 slockets (these work without any fault with Linux and Win98) 2 x 128 MB PC-100 SD-Ram CreativeBlaster Riva TNT SoundBlaster 128 PCI Digi32 (soundcard with sp-dif) NE2000 compatible PCI WinTV Primio (Framegrabber) AVM FritzCard Classic (ISDN) 2 x HDD on SCSI channel B 1 x CD-Rom ond channel A Windows NT workstation 4.0 (german) and ServicePack3 Thanks for any replies. Norbert
Subject: Re: S1836 DLU and Riva TNT and NT4? From: Norbert Goebel uni-duesseldorf.de> Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 09:10:05 +0200 Thanks for your answrs so far, but nothing seems to help. Here a small update of what I did and what didn't help: I reinstalled Servicpack 3 for approximately 10 times and installed every driver I could find for TNT cards. I reinstalled NT about 3 times. Also I want to mention again that my card works without any problems under win98 and linux. With opengl and Directx. So it can not be a problem of an absolutely not running card, it is only NT (but I think thats a microsoft related problem). Norbert
Subject: Re: S1836 DLU and Riva TNT and NT4? From: Michael xxx.xxx> Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 22:39:50 -0700 Norbert: I'm having trouble getting TNT cards to work on the latest S1836DLUAN-GX boards under Windows NT; I'm currently waiting for a resolution on this from Tyan tech support. You may want to try installing the driver for your card directly from the Windows screen properties window - click on "Adapter" and follow the instructions. Also, I'm sure you know that Celerons are not supposed to work in a dual configuration. This may also be a source of potential problems. Michael Guiraut SVAS.
Subject: Re: S1836 DLU and Riva TNT and NT4? From: Norbert Goebel uni-duesseldorf.de> Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 12:39:04 +0200 > I'm having trouble getting TNT cards to work on the latest S1836DLUAN-GX > boards under Windows NT; I'm currently waiting for a resolution on this > from Tyan tech support. If you have Bios revision 1.16b (it only works with this version with my TNT), try to set the MPS type to "Isa-Type" and not to "generic". It helped with my problems. > You may want to try installing the driver for your card directly from the > Windows screen properties window - click on "Adapter" and follow > the instructions. > I did this about 80 times. > > Also, I'm sure you know that Celerons are not supposed to work in a dual > configuration. This may also be a source of potential problems. > Sure they work in dual mode (with a small modification to the slocket). It uses the same core as the PII (only with some more cache in the core), but intel changed the voltage which gets to one pin, thats all. So I can assure you that dual celeron is working very nicely (and is very cheap, only 200$ for Dual 450 MHz). Norbert
Subject: Re: S1836 DLU and Riva TNT and NT4? From: Norbert Goebel uni-duesseldorf.de> Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 09:52:01 +0200 Thanks to a combination of answers I got from some people I now solved the my problemswith NT. After I tried every Bios-setting (without a single card (except the vga) in the computer) I could imagine with Bios 1.16a I flashed to 1.16b (I didn't do that before, because many people complained about their problems with this version. In this version there is a new switch for MPS (does NT recognize the difference between MPS 1.1 and 1.4? and if so, why does it everytime tell me it is 1.4?) which is either "generic" or "Isa-Type". I had to switch to Isa-Type (it would be nice if TYAN would explain new features in new bios releases in a readme.txt). Interesting as it is: I thought Wintel is telling us that ISA is going to die. So it HAS TO BE the only way NT can handle it. Thank you Microsoft for about 100 reboots, 10 clean NT installations, 30 Servicepack installations and about 80 driver-installations without the slightest bit of an errormessage. I never had this fun before (installing linux was much easier). Enough of my love to Microsoft. Thanks to all that have answered my postings. Norbert Norbert Goebel wrote: > Thanks for your answrs so far, but nothing seems to help. Here a small > update of what I did and what didn't help: > > I reinstalled Servicpack 3 for approximately 10 times and installed every > driver I could find for TNT cards. > I reinstalled NT about 3 times. > > Also I want to mention again that my card works without any problems under > win98 and linux. > With opengl and Directx. So it can not be a problem of an absolutely not > running card, it is only NT (but I think thats a microsoft related > problem). > > Norbert
Subject: 1836DLU Thunder 100 Where to Buy? From: "Daniel Binkis" osu.edu> Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 21:49:52 -0400 It seems like about 3 or 4 months ago, every online vendor was selling the scaled down version of the Thudner 100 (w/o the Audio and Network card addons), but now I look on Pricewatch, and I only get a couple of hits on the search, and the price is only down about $15 from then... what's the deal? Any hints on whether the DLUAN version of the Thunder 100 might drop down to the $300-$350 range with the Thunderbolt coming out? Dan binkis.1 osu.edu
Subject: Re: 1836DLU Thunder 100 Where to Buy? From: Norbert Goebel uni-duesseldorf.de> Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 08:59:28 +0200 Daniel Binkis wrote: > It seems like about 3 or 4 months ago, every online vendor was selling the > scaled down version of the Thudner 100 (w/o the Audio and Network card > addons), but now I look on Pricewatch, and I only get a couple of hits on > the search, and the price is only down about $15 from then... what's the > deal? > > Any hints on whether the DLUAN version of the Thunder 100 might drop down to > the $300-$350 range with the Thunderbolt coming out? > > Dan > binkis.1 osu.edu Some time ago some persons posted in this newsgroup, that the DLU is discontinued and since than I recognized that many vendors I know did not sell them any more. So I think this is the truth. Norbert
Subject: Re: 1836DLU Thunder 100 Where to Buy? From: "Anole" 'can-the-spam'earthling.net> Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 12:01:38 -0400 I think Microtime www.shopmti.com has them - at least as part of their kits.. Hope it helps. Anole (Remove 'canthespam' from address to respond) Daniel Binkis wrote in message >It seems like about 3 or 4 months ago, every online vendor was selling the >scaled down version of the Thudner 100 (w/o the Audio and Network card >addons), but now I look on Pricewatch, and I only get a couple of hits on >the search, and the price is only down about $15 from then... what's the >deal? > >Any hints on whether the DLUAN version of the Thunder 100 might drop down to >the $300-$350 range with the Thunderbolt coming out? > >Dan >binkis.1 osu.edu
Subject: S1836DLUAN-GX and ERAZOR 2 -->HELP<-- From: "Martin Baumann" datacomm.ch> Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 08:42:05 +0200 Hello, I can`t install my Grafikkard from ELSA! ( only 16 Colors VGA Modus) Has anybody the same Problem? I am very glad to get help. Thank you Martin Baumann ibc datacomm.ch
Subject: Re: S1836DLUAN-GX and ERAZOR 2 -->HELP<-- From: Norbert Goebel uni-duesseldorf.de> Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 09:51:02 +0200 Martin Baumann wrote: > Hello, > I can`t install my Grafikkard from ELSA! ( only 16 Colors VGA Modus) Has > anybody the same Problem? > I am very glad to get help. > Thank you > > Martin Baumann > ibc datacomm.ch If you are using NT4 with serivepack 3 or higher than try to use the setting "generic type" for the MPS setting (in Bios 1.16b) it fixed my problems which soudn exactly like yours (the only difference: I own the Creative Riva TNT). I searched one week for this solution. Norbert
Subject: Thunder 100 (S1826-DLUAN-GX) with ACPI and Windows 2000? From: "Charles F McDevitt" pacbell.net> Date: Sun, 2 May 1999 15:04:50 -0700 I have a Thunder 100 (S1826-DLUAN-GX) based system, and have been trying to get it to work with Windows 2000. If ACPI is enabled in the BIOS, Windows 2000 setup always fails with an INACCESSIBLE_BOOT_DEVICE error. Has anyone out there managed to get a Thunder 100 based system to work property with Win2k when ACPI is enabled? If so, I'd like to find out what you are doing different. I'm using the latest AMI BIOS form the web site (1.16b 3/17/99)
Subject: Has ANYONE got W2K to run on 1836DULAN? From: "James Fillmore" home.com> Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 04:41:29 GMT I have removed everything but the video card (ATI All-In-Wonder Pro) and have trie.ds a SCSI drive and an IDE drive and BOTH times the install seemed to go OK but on the final reboot and startup I got "Bad Image Checksum" errors for a bunch of OLE???.DLL files. What the hell is that? I did install the latest 1.18 BIOS. Anyone elese with an 1836DULAN have any luck? Jim
Subject: Re: Has ANYONE got W2K to run on 1836DULAN? From: rfalbo1 twcny.rr.com (F. Robert Falbo) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 23:49:40 GMT On Mon, 21 Feb 2000 04:41:29 GMT, "James Fillmore" home.com> wrote: >I have removed everything but the video card (ATI All-In-Wonder Pro) and >have trie.ds a SCSI drive and an IDE drive and BOTH times the install seemed >to go OK but on the final reboot and startup I got "Bad Image Checksum" >errors for a bunch of OLE???.DLL files. What the hell is that? I did >install the latest 1.18 BIOS. > >Anyone elese with an 1836DULAN have any luck? It probably won't make you feel any better,but BeOS runs just fine on the 1836DULAN. I haven't pushed the board to its limits yet, having only a pair of PII-333s right now on the 1.12 BIOS, but in the net few days I'll be changing that to a pair of PIII-500s, and the 1.18 BIOS. That'll also change the memory from PC66 to PC100 speed, so the timing will get quite a bit more touchy. -bob-
Subject: Re: Has ANYONE got W2K to run on 1836DULAN? From: bergmania my-deja.com Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 08:21:21 GMT "James Fillmore" home.com> wrote: > I have removed everything but the video card (ATI All-In-Wonder Pro) and > have trie.ds a SCSI drive and an IDE drive and BOTH times the install seemed > to go OK but on the final reboot and startup I got "Bad Image Checksum" > errors for a bunch of OLE???.DLL files. What the hell is that? I did > install the latest 1.18 BIOS. > > Anyone elese with an 1836DULAN have any luck? > > Jim > Win2k runs on my 1836DLUAN-BX(1.18) 2xp2 350Mhz, 256Mb 100Mhz sdram and both ide and scsi active. (been running since beta3) Some CD-Roms seems to have problems with the win2k installation.. try copy the whole i386 dir to hardrive and install from the hd..
Subject: Re: Has ANYONE got W2K to run on 1836DULAN? From: "Patrick de Boer" sctscorp.com> Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 09:36:30 +0100 Hi Jim, I got win2k working on my 1836DULAN, but I could only install it on my smaller UW scsi disks, because win2k didn't see my 20gb maxtor correctly. Only shows up as a 8.7gb disk (hmm where have I seen this before). Ohw, and after a reboot my Yamaha 4416 was not visible anymore. As you might have guessed, I"m back to NT4 now, still works like a charm. And I have BeOS 4.5.2 running too of course :-) Regards, Patrick. "James Fillmore" home.com> wrote in message > I have removed everything but the video card (ATI All-In-Wonder Pro) and > have trie.ds a SCSI drive and an IDE drive and BOTH times the install seemed > to go OK but on the final reboot and startup I got "Bad Image Checksum" > errors for a bunch of OLE???.DLL files. What the hell is that? I did > install the latest 1.18 BIOS. > > Anyone elese with an 1836DULAN have any luck? > > Jim
Subject: Re: Has ANYONE got W2K to run on 1836DULAN? From: "Jim Delany" hotmail.com> Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 09:01:44 -0500 I have had beta 2 and 3 running and am now running the final. No problems other than I had to reinstall from scratch as it seems to bugger up some of the ole services. I also have not had any problems with any of my disks. I have 2xpII400 256 mb various disks which I swap in those drive bays. win2k is currently on a 18 gb IDE drive, also a 1gb Jazz (piece of junk) a creative 46x rom and a 2x hp rom writer. I also use the All-In-Wonder PRO card no problems. My biggest problem is the modem which is one of those ZOOM dual mode things. You have to let it pick the generic and seems to work. Jim "Patrick de Boer" sctscorp.com> wrote in message > Hi Jim, > > I got win2k working on my 1836DULAN, but I could only install it on my > smaller UW scsi disks, because win2k didn't see my 20gb maxtor correctly. > Only shows up as a 8.7gb disk (hmm where have I seen this before). Ohw, and > after a reboot my Yamaha 4416 was not visible anymore. > > As you might have guessed, I"m back to NT4 now, still works like a charm. > > And I have BeOS 4.5.2 running too of course :-) > > Regards, > Patrick. > > "James Fillmore" home.com> wrote in message > > I have removed everything but the video card (ATI All-In-Wonder Pro) and > > have trie.ds a SCSI drive and an IDE drive and BOTH times the install seemed > > to go OK but on the final reboot and startup I got "Bad Image Checksum" > > errors for a bunch of OLE???.DLL files. What the hell is that? I did > > install the latest 1.18 BIOS. > > > > Anyone elese with an 1836DULAN have any luck? > > > > Jim
Subject: Re: Has ANYONE got W2K to run on 1836DULAN? From: "Gerhard Hausberger" kabsi.at> Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 20:05:29 +0100 Do you have ACPI or at least APM running on Win2k on your S1836 ??? If yes - how did you do that?? Thanks & regards Gerhard
Subject: Re: Tyan S1696DLUA Thunder 2 ATX From: "TJ Snider" home.com> Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 06:54:55 GMT I'm using Dual PII/333 and it's fine for that. I have given up trying to configure the built in sound for Linux. TJ PS. The buss speed is only 66Mhz, if you're buying something new, you'd probably be better off buying a 100MHz buss motherboard. ---------- >I am using dual celeron 400. It is solidly stable. > >"Shawn" telus.net> wrote in message >> Hello to all; >> I am putting together a dual celeron 500 computer and am qondering about the >> Tyan S1696DLUA Thunder 2 ATX motherboard. Does anyone have experience with >> it? Is it a good stable motherboard? >> Please let me know if you know. :-) >> >> Ciao >> Shawn
Subject: Memory recommendations for 1836DLUAN? From: hume.spamfilter bofh.halifax.ns.ca Date: 24 Feb 2000 14:38:04 GMT I'm shopping around for good memory for my 1836. Previously, I had a generic 64M and a 128M stick. These ran fine with a 350 MHz P2 bumped up to 400, but, when I got a pair of P3/500s, I had to remove the 64M to keep the system stable, and forget about trying to jack it up to 550. I'd like to bump it up to 256M, and if I'm going to do so, I may as well snag some decent RAM and replace the remaining generic... especially if it'll let me clock it up to 550. Does anyone have any manufacturer/model recommendations that might allow me to do so? -- Brandon Hume - hume -> BOFH.Halifax.NS.Ca, http://WWW.BOFH.Halifax.NS.Ca/ -> Solaris Snob and general NOCMonkey
Subject: Re: Memory recommendations for 1836DLUAN? From: Greg Causey r2d2.eeap.cwru.edu> Date: 25 Feb 2000 10:54:42 -0500 I've got a 1836 DLUAN I've been running with kingston memory (256 mb, 2 - 128 mb dimms) for over a year now. No problems at all, its been completely stable. I've got dual PII 400's with the front-side bus over-clocked to 112mhz. Memory model number: KGM100X72C2/128 Its not the cheapest, but I've seen a lot of reports about the 1836 being picky with ram, so in the interest of stability, I decided to not worry about saving a few dollars. Greg Greg Causey, Research Associate Dept. of Mechanical & Aerospace Engineering Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland Ohio, 44106-7222 gcc r2d2.eeap.cwru.edu http://dora.eeap.cwru.edu/gcc
Subject: Re: Memory recommendations for 1836DLUAN? From: rfalbo1 twcny.rr.com (F. Robert Falbo) Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 00:31:16 GMT On 24 Feb 2000 14:38:04 GMT, hume.spamfilter bofh.halifax.ns.ca wrote: >I'm shopping around for good memory for my 1836. Previously, I had a >generic 64M and a 128M stick. These ran fine with a 350 MHz P2 bumped >up to 400, but, when I got a pair of P3/500s, I had to remove the 64M to >keep the system stable, and forget about trying to jack it up to 550. > >I'd like to bump it up to 256M, and if I'm going to do so, I may as well >snag some decent RAM and replace the remaining generic... especially if >it'll let me clock it up to 550. > >Does anyone have any manufacturer/model recommendations that might allow >me to do so? I've got an S1836DLUAN running with 4 -128MB PC100 DIMMs, not any special brand. I'm running dual P3-500s. One thing I do though is to test any DIMMs to be sure they actually meet the requirements for PC100 timing... We bought 2 motherboards, and 8 sticks of 128MB PC100 memory. 4 of the DIMMs tested well within the PC100 timing range, while the other 4 were towards the slow side of the range, but still within spec. I took the 4 marginal DIMMs. BeOS 4.5.2 has been very happy with them. One thing that's really needed is a place for people to test their memory, but with good testers running $3k and up (its $1K just for the 168-pin PC100 adapter), I don't see this happening anytime soon. -bob-
Subject: Re: Memory recommendations for 1836DLUAN? From: "tps" aros.net> Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 19:08:55 -0700 I have 384 MB memory in my S1386. The first 128 MB was Samsung GH ECC memory. I added an additional 256MB of Crucial Memory about 3 months ago. So far I hav had no problems. I run 2x-400Mhz CPU clocked at 112MHz. TPS bofh.halifax.ns.ca> wrote in message > I'm shopping around for good memory for my 1836. Previously, I had a > generic 64M and a 128M stick. These ran fine with a 350 MHz P2 bumped > up to 400, but, when I got a pair of P3/500s, I had to remove the 64M to > keep the system stable, and forget about trying to jack it up to 550. > > I'd like to bump it up to 256M, and if I'm going to do so, I may as well > snag some decent RAM and replace the remaining generic... especially if > it'll let me clock it up to 550. > > Does anyone have any manufacturer/model recommendations that might allow > me to do so? > > -- > Brandon Hume - hume -> BOFH.Halifax.NS.Ca, > http://WWW.BOFH.Halifax.NS.Ca/
Subject: PCI Bus Speed Thunder From: mattasbob my-deja.com Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 15:58:41 GMT I want to know if there is anyway to increase pci bus speed or perhaps set two to be master's and the other 4 to be slave. I have two heavy-duty audio cards (one with a DSP slave) and a 64meg ATI Rage card AGP. I am getting lag and latency in my audio and several people have told me it is because of there need for PCI bus Speed. I just purchased the motherboard last year and am exceedingly happy with it. I've actually purchased 2 more since. If anyone has any ideas, pls. let me know. Maybe some windows 98 tweaking perhaps??? I am very good at building and working with machines so I dov't care how hairy the solution is Matt
Subject: Tyan Thunder 100 Problem From: "Phil Doroff" five-elements.com> Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 23:47:21 -0600 Bleh, after a rather disheartening talk with Tyans tech support Dept. (It's not their board, it's me attitude), I figured I'd try here. I've been running a Dual Thunder 100 w/ the dual channel Adaptec SCSI for about 1-1.5 years now. Worked GREAT. I have been EXTREMELY pleased with the reliability and ease of use of this board, at least until now. I got a call at 3am saying the main webserver was down.. Went in to check it out. I hit reset, the box reboot and gives me a 7 (or was it 8..) beep code error thing. Did this a few times, then did the basic reseating of processors/periphial cards. Seemed to work and boot up just fine. However, a couple hours later it dies again. I go in, and this time theres NOTHING. The hard drives power on, but processor fans remain dead, along with PCI Bus power (observed on the usually-on NIC lights). There *IS* and amber-colored LED light on the mainboard, but the SCSI LED is dead, and the amber light is usually green when everything is OK. Tried tinkering with reseating CPU's, trying one, using different CPU's, swapping vid cards, etc. etc. etc. Nothing. Wierd thing is that it will come back, and appear perfect if I leave it sit for a while (overnight). Seems to only die after it's been in use for a couple hours or so. I've tried near everything I know, even re-seated the motherboard itself. I would request just a normal RMA on this, and planned to. But from talking with the less-than-helpful tech, it sounded like their going to test it, see that it comes up just fine, and send it back to me. It's flaky, it won't run for long.. I need supreme reliability. Hoping someone has some thoughts, or perhaps a Tyan rep watches this. I was extremely happy with this company, and recommended their products to many poeple, not to mention the 7-9 boards I've bought in the last year or so. But, this is my first dealing with tech support, and I am extremely dissapointed and ready to find a different manufacturer for my server boards. Sigh. 3-4 weeks turnaround for a server-class component is highly unacceptable, look at any of the major hard drive manufacturers and their advance RMA programs. Thanks much! -Phil phil21 five-elements.com
Subject: Re: Tyan Thunder 100 Problem From: "Grant Wood" bellsouth.net> Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 20:48:55 -0500 Did you try the SCSI card in another machine??? I know it boots but maybe 1 of the drives are going?? I came home from work 1 day last week to a blank screen and nothing else, rebooted got the beeps etc. to discover they were coming from the Cheetah U2W 18 gig drive. Tried rebooting and same deal. Went into the SCSI setup choose the second drive which is a mirror of the boot drive and presto problem solved. RMA'ed the drive thank goodness and not the board. "Phil Doroff" five-elements.com> wrote in message > Bleh, after a rather disheartening talk with Tyans tech support Dept. (It's > not their board, it's me attitude), I figured I'd try here. > > I've been running a Dual Thunder 100 w/ the dual channel Adaptec SCSI for > about 1-1.5 years now. Worked GREAT. I have been EXTREMELY pleased with > the reliability and ease of use of this board, at least until now. > > I got a call at 3am saying the main webserver was down.. Went in to check it > out. > > I hit reset, the box reboot and gives me a 7 (or was it 8..) beep code error > thing. Did this a few times, then did the basic reseating of > processors/periphial cards. Seemed to work and boot up just fine. > > However, a couple hours later it dies again. I go in, and this time theres > NOTHING. The hard drives power on, but processor fans remain dead, along > with PCI Bus power (observed on the usually-on NIC lights). There *IS* and > amber-colored LED light on the mainboard, but the SCSI LED is dead, and the > amber light is usually green when everything is OK. Tried tinkering with > reseating CPU's, trying one, using different CPU's, swapping vid cards, etc. > etc. etc. Nothing. > > Wierd thing is that it will come back, and appear perfect if I leave it sit > for a while (overnight). Seems to only die after it's been in use for a > couple hours or so. I've tried near everything I know, even re-seated the > motherboard itself. > > I would request just a normal RMA on this, and planned to. But from talking > with the less-than-helpful tech, it sounded like their going to test it, see > that it comes up just fine, and send it back to me. It's flaky, it won't > run for long.. I need supreme reliability. > > Hoping someone has some thoughts, or perhaps a Tyan rep watches this. I was > extremely happy with this company, and recommended their products to many > poeple, not to mention the 7-9 boards I've bought in the last year or so. > But, this is my first dealing with tech support, and I am extremely > dissapointed and ready to find a different manufacturer for my server > boards. Sigh. 3-4 weeks turnaround for a server-class component is highly > unacceptable, look at any of the major hard drive manufacturers and their > advance RMA programs. > > Thanks much! > > -Phil > phil21 five-elements.com > >
Subject: Thunder X & Xeon 733 setup ???????? From: "Steven" mediaone.net> Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 03:11:19 GMT I am trying to get a new Xeon 733 to work on a Thunder X motherboard. Can't get it to post. Tyan site says it will support P-III but has no details on how to set it up. Any help ou there?
Subject: Re: Thunder X & Xeon 733 setup ???????? From: "tbn" yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 14:40:23 -0800 Max cpu supported on the Thunder X is 550MHz. "Steven" mediaone.net> wrote in message > I am trying to get a new Xeon 733 to work on a Thunder X motherboard. Can't > get it to post. Tyan site says it will support P-III but has no details on > how to set it up. Any help ou there?
Subject: S1836dlu + Intel P3 550E (Slot 1) From: "Adrial" cloud9.net> Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 18:58:30 -0500 I'm very close to ordering the P3 550E coppermine (slot 1, 100mhz fsb), but I read on the tyan website under the cpu compatibility chart that my mb doesn't support the coppermine. Is this true? I am looking at the SLOT 1 coppermine, not the socket coppermine. Thanks for any help...
Subject: Re: S1836dlu + Intel P3 550E (Slot 1) From: "Bobby K." REMOVE.msn.com> Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 14:24:33 -0500 you might be better advised to get the socket 550e coppermine and use one of those Iwill Slocket II adapters. That way you can regulate the voltage and whatnot. Plus the socket versions are a lot easier to overclock. It could be your board doesn't have a voltage setting to accomidate the Coppermines since the run at 1.6 volts where the pre-coppermine PIII's ran at like 2.0 volts. or so. You might be stuck there. Check your bios or manual to see the voltage support. Adrial cloud9.net> wrote in message > I'm very close to ordering the P3 550E coppermine (slot 1, 100mhz fsb), but > I read on the tyan website under the cpu compatibility chart that my mb > doesn't support the coppermine. Is this true? I am looking at the SLOT 1 > coppermine, not the socket coppermine. > > Thanks for any help...
Subject: Re: S1836dlu + Intel P3 550E (Slot 1) From: "Adrial" cloud9.net> Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 17:01:36 -0500 The mb I'm using support dual's, the Iwill adapter doesn't allow for dual p3's or so I've read... I checked both the bios and the manual for the mb and can't seem to find any information regarding voltage capabilities... Can anybody help me out? Tyan s1836dlu mb... "Bobby K." REMOVE.msn.com> wrote in message > you might be better advised to get the socket 550e coppermine and use one of > those Iwill Slocket II adapters. That way you can regulate the voltage and > whatnot. Plus the socket versions are a lot easier to overclock. > > It could be your board doesn't have a voltage setting to accomidate the > Coppermines since the run at 1.6 volts where the pre-coppermine PIII's ran > at like 2.0 volts. or so. > > You might be stuck there. Check your bios or manual to see the voltage > support.
Subject: Re: S1836dlu + Intel P3 550E (Slot 1) From: "dzokayi" tcac.net> Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 18:03:51 -0600 According to the guys at http://www.hardocp.com the guys at http://www.azzo.com got a shipment of SLOT 1 coppermine 550s. They think they're part of the new stepping that wasn't expected till later in March. Apparently they run rock-stable at 800+ MHz right out of the box. Check it out...
Subject: Re: S1836dlu + Intel P3 550E (Slot 1) From: "Adrial" cloud9.net> Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 19:53:33 -0500 Thanks, but after reading a bit more at the Tyan webpage it seems that I can't use the coppermine's because of their low 1.6 volts... :-( "dzokayi" tcac.net> wrote in message > According to the guys at > > http://www.hardocp.com > > the guys at > > http://www.azzo.com > > got a shipment of SLOT 1 coppermine 550s. They think they're part of the > new stepping that wasn't expected till later in March. Apparently they run > rock-stable at 800+ MHz right out of the box. Check it out...
Subject: Re: S1836dlu + Intel P3 550E (Slot 1) From: "dzokayi" tcac.net> Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 22:24:21 -0600 Don't give up hope yet... I'm not sure exactly how they work, but I understand that the IWILL slocket adapters have some type of voltage adjustment on them. You might post your question to the forum at http://www.arstechnica.com under the cpu & motherboard technologia section. Someone there would DEFINITELY be able to tell you for sure. You might also ask at http://www.2cpu.com Good luck, man.... Adrial wrote in message ... >Thanks, but after reading a bit more at the Tyan webpage it seems that I >can't use the coppermine's because of their low 1.6 volts... :-(
Subject: Re: S1836dlu + Intel P3 550E (Slot 1) From: CB dakotacom.net> Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 22:13:28 -0700 dzokayi wrote: > > Don't give up hope yet... I'm not sure exactly how they work, but I > understand that the IWILL slocket adapters have some type of voltage > adjustment on them. You might post your question to the forum at The Iwill slocket does not, but this one by Soltek does: http://www.soltek.com.tw/English/products/02d.htm I am not aware of others, or where to buy this one yet. CB
Subject: Re: S1836dlu + Intel P3 550E (Slot 1) From: "Adrial" cloud9.net> Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 14:39:17 -0500 Thanks for the help, I've posted to http://www.arstechnica.com One more quick question, I'm pretty sure that it's not possible...but...Can I still run dual's if I buy the flip chip (socket) version of the coppermine (using the IWill adapter). on The IWill website, they say that you can do that with the celly's, but nothing about the coppermine, anybody know? thanks... "CB" dakotacom.net> wrote in message > dzokayi wrote: > > > > Don't give up hope yet... I'm not sure exactly how they work, but I > > understand that the IWILL slocket adapters have some type of voltage > > adjustment on them. You might post your question to the forum at > > The Iwill slocket does not, but this one by Soltek does: > > http://www.soltek.com.tw/English/products/02d.htm > > I am not aware of others, or where to buy this one yet. > > CB
Subject: Re: S1836dlu + Intel P3 550E (Slot 1) From: CB dakotacom.net> Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 12:56:05 -0700 Adrial wrote: > > Thanks for the help, I've posted to http://www.arstechnica.com > One more quick question, I'm pretty sure that it's not possible...but...Can > I still run dual's if I buy the flip chip (socket) version of the coppermine > (using the IWill adapter). > > on The IWill website, they say that you can do that with the celly's, but > nothing about the coppermine, anybody know? > thanks... > There is not a definitive answer to this yet. Intel's specs claim all FC coppermines *but* the 500E and 550E are dual capable. I do not think anything but the 500 and 550 are currently available. Some have claimed to have dual 500/550s working. Others have tried without success. No website has posted any review of a successful dual FC rig to date. The safe answer is NO, this will not work. Intel may have released some chips early on that were dual capable. No doubt they will soon release chips at the higher speed grades that are dual capable - and advertised as such. Till then you should probably count on running only one CPU if you must get the FC version. CB
Subject: Re: S1836dlu + Intel P3 550E (Slot 1) From: carlos 3dwizards.com (Carlos Rego) Date: Sat, 04 Mar 2000 04:24:32 GMT How about the 133Mhz 600B (512K) .. will they work with this motherboard (as a dual system I mean) .. is the 600B a coppermine ?? thanks On Tue, 29 Feb 2000 18:58:30 -0500, "Adrial" cloud9.net> wrote: >I'm very close to ordering the P3 550E coppermine (slot 1, 100mhz fsb), but >I read on the tyan website under the cpu compatibility chart that my mb >doesn't support the coppermine. Is this true? I am looking at the SLOT 1 >coppermine, not the socket coppermine. > >Thanks for any help...
Subject: Re: S1836dlu + Intel P3 550E (Slot 1) From: "Bergmania" deja.com> Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 18:58:54 +0100 "Carlos Rego" 3dwizards.com> wrote in message > How about the 133Mhz 600B (512K) .. will they work with this > motherboard (as a dual system I mean) .. is the 600B a coppermine ?? > > thanks > The B model isn't a Coppermine.. its the E or/and EBs that are CuMines..
Subject: I've inheritied a S1836DLUAN, but it has a problem and I need advice From: "Chris Palmer" telusplanet.net> Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2000 19:06:13 GMT Because I'm lazy I'm gonna cut-n-paste my post on the Arstechinca Message board, the place that directed me towards this newsgroup: "I need advice. One of the computers in our faculty office died a few months ago, first with bad sectors on the hard drive and then eventually the motherboard, a Tyan S1836DLAUN, began beeping on boot and the manual indicates that the problem is fatal and that the board should be replaced. Now as far as I know this motherboard was not abused or misused, it was not overclocked or used for anything beyond its specifications. In fact with such a great mobo for a system backbone the computer using it only had one Slot 1 Celeron 300A (never overclocked), an i740 video card, and an IDE hard drive/CD-Rom in the machine. Never once was the on board SCSI used, or its SMP capabilities used, which was a shame. In any event, the office finally ponied up for some new parts and as a result I have "inheritied" this broken motherboard and I immediately began thinking about getting it fixed because with on-board SCSI, 10/100 Intel NIC, and onbards sound I would be half way to completing a pretty nice system. Problem is that the person/company who we purchased the computer from is no longer in business and when they supplied us the computers they did not supply us with the motherbard box and/or the unused attachments that came with the motherbard, like the SCSI cables and such. After looking over the Tyan warrenty it appears that my board may qualify for warrenty repair and replacement but I assume any shipment of the motherbard back to Tyan would have to include the original ox and everything it shipped with, which I don't have. So what can I do to try and get this board repaired/replaced in this situation. Are my dreams of getting a machine built out of this great motherboard just that, a dream? Chris" So, have any of you had a situation similar to this? Thanks for any help you might provide.
Subject: Re: I've inheritied a S1836DLUAN, but it has a problem and I need advice From: CB dakotacom.net> Date: Sat, 04 Mar 2000 21:47:58 -0700 Chris Palmer wrote: > > Because I'm lazy I'm gonna cut-n-paste my post on the Arstechinca Message > board, the place that directed me towards this newsgroup: > What did the beep-code indicate was at fault? Memory? Video? More specifics about the actual problem might help get a useful response... CB
Subject: 1836DL Running at 133Mhz FSB ?? Anybody ? From: carlos 3dwizards.com (Carlos Rego) Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 23:45:59 GMT I Have a Tyan S1836, with 2x Katmai PIII 500's it runs ok at 112Mhz, but when I put the bus at 133Mhz, the CPU's Speed drops to 133Mhz ... any ideas why ? Thanks for any assistance Carlos
Subject: ACPI and Tyan Thunder 100 S1836DLU From: "James" cyberzone.net> Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 00:41:38 -0500 I have a Tyan Thunder 100 S1836DLU motherboard and am trying to implement ACPI. I only get hibernate mode, no standby. I upgraded from windows 98 to windows 2000. I enabled the ACPI control Register and set ACPI Aware O/S before upgrading to 2000. I have bios # v.18.02 0901991100. I do have an ISA NIC in the system at IRQ 5. Any ideas why ACPI is not even showing up in the device manager? Thanks in advance.
Subject: Re: ACPI and Tyan Thunder 100 S1836DLU From: "Fredrick L. Robinson" frontiernet.net> Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 17:00:23 GMT Hi James, I also have this board and the problem is that ACPI is not properly implemented in the BIOS (may even be a hardware issue also). I called Tyan about it and they basically said the board is no longer supported. At least I helped get MS to make the MPS kernels work, which didn't in the earlier betas either. APM seems to work ok, although you still don't get the standby option on the shutdown menu. I bought this board with the specific intention of running Win2k when it came out, but I'm SoL along with everyone else. Oh well, at least everything besides ACPI appears to work fine. Best of luck, Fredrick L. Robinson
Subject: Re: ACPI and Tyan Thunder 100 S1836DLU From: George NotMail.com> Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 14:19:01 -0500 Its interresting that TYAN has obsoleted a good board, the 1836, without first providing an upgrade path for users wanting SMP. I wouldn't touch anything with an Intel 8xx chipset right now as it has proven itself to be a real dog. The TYAN 1867 looks good but you cant buy one just yet! Oh well! TYAN has produced a few good boards but it is clear they care very little about evolution and end user perception.
Subject: Re: ACPI and Tyan Thunder 100 S1836DLU From: sdo_NOSPAM nospam.visi.com Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 19:38:11 GMT George notmail.com> wrote: > Its interresting that TYAN has obsoleted a good board, the 1836, > without first providing an upgrade path for users wanting SMP. I > wouldn't touch anything with an Intel 8xx chipset right now as it has > proven itself to be a real dog. The TYAN 1867 looks good but you cant > buy one just yet! Oh well! TYAN has produced a few good boards but > it is clear they care very little about evolution and end user > perception. Well, there's the 1837, but the differences between it and the 1836 are fairly small (Coppermine support on the newer 1837s is the largest). The 1867 DOES look interesting, but who knows what the pricing is going to be. Scott
Subject: Re: ACPI and Tyan Thunder 100 S1836DLU From: "Urs Steiner" maximilianeum.ch> Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 18:11:54 GMT Lo together > I also have this board and the problem is that ACPI is not properly implemented > in the BIOS (may even be a hardware issue also). I called Tyan about it and > they basically said the board is no longer supported. At least I helped get MS > to make the MPS kernels work, which didn't in the earlier betas either. APM as much as i gto from an article of the german computer paper c't, you don't get any acpi when using SMP ... hibernation (suspend-to-disk) works because this doesn't seem to need acpi actually ... BTW:did any get the powerdown-after-shutdown in win2k ? Urs -- mail: urs [dot] steiner [at] switzerland [dot] org http://www.vis.ethz.ch/~urs/
Subject: Re: ACPI and Tyan Thunder 100 S1836DLU From: "Fredrick L. Robinson" frontiernet.net> Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 21:58:57 GMT There is an ACPI Multiprocessor kernel in Win2k however.
Subject: Re: ACPI and Tyan Thunder 100 S1836DLU From: "Michael Edward Kohlman" pinnacom.com> Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 01:29:43 -0500 During Beta Testing with Windows 2000, I was unable to get Win2k (either server or pro) to correctly detect ACPI on any Tyan BX BIOS prior to 2.00. However I've been able to get Windows 2000 to install and work in ACPI mode (with no observable issues) with the 1.18 revision using the following installation methods: (PLEASE NOTE YOU MILEAGE MAY VARY...) METHOD ONE: Make sure that the ACPI control register is enabled and that the ACPI aware O/S setting is enabled in the BIOS. Boot to the Windows 2000 installation CD and during the load sequence (Setup will display "Press F6 if you need to install a third party SCSI or RAID driver") hold down the F5 key. This will allow you to manually select what type of HAL you want loaded. You can at this point select a ACPI uniprocessor or multiprocessor PC selection (amoung others) Once you have manually selected the HAL, then allow Windows 2000 to continue installation as normal. I ran a Tyan 1832 with a 1.18 BIOS revision for about 90 days with Win2k installed in ACPI mode with no problems and I installed it on an 1836 using this method as well with no issues (although the 1836 was not run for more than about 24 hours under this configuration, mostly to see if it could be done) I also installed Win2k server on an 1837 this way with 1.18 BIOS but have since move to the 2.00 revision. Again, however I had no observable issues running ACPI on the 1.18. The 1832 (my personal PC) has since been upgradedto the 2.00 BIOS and the final revision of Win2k, which propery detects as ACPI during install. METHOD TWO: If you are very brave, or are not concerned about possibly having to reinstall everything, then to go into Control Panel, select the Device Manager, select Computer and double-click on the the HAL displayed there (typically Standard PC, MPS uniprocessor PC, or MPS multiprocessor PC). Click on the Driver tab and Click Update Driver. Click Next on the Hardware Update Wizard Select Display a list of known drivers... Select Show all hardware for this device class... The select ACPI uniprocessor (if you only have one CPU) or ACPI multiprocessor (if have two) Windows will likely ask for the CD, copy a bunch of drivers and wish to restart. IF THIS METHOD WORKS (my success doing it this way has only been about 50/50) then expect Win2k to redetect and reconfigure all of your hardware the next time it reboots. It may have to reboot several times and it very well may not work right afterwards. If you really want ACPI mode on a Tyan BX with a rev. 1.18 BIOS, then my advice is to do a clean Win2k Install using the first method... I don't "believe" that the ISA NIC is a factor but considering there are good, Win2k compatable PCI NICS for well under $25.00, it may be worth it just to swap the card out just to avoid any potential issues... Since neither Tyan nor MS consider the 1.18 BIOS revision technically Win2k compatable, keep in mind that your results may be different than mine. But for what it's worth this has been my personal experience with this setup and these boards.
Subject: Re: ACPI and Tyan Thunder 100 S1836DLU From: "Fredrick L. Robinson" frontiernet.net> Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 18:48:47 GMT Been there, done that (many times). Wouldn't even boot in the betas and in the final the CPU stays pegged at 100%.
Subject: Re: ACPI and Tyan Thunder 100 S1836DLU From: "Michael Edward Kohlman" pinnacom.com> Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 19:09:24 -0500 Wish I had more suggestions. the 1836 and the 1856 appear to be the only two AMI-BX boards that Tyan did not issue a 2.00 BIOS for and I've often wondered if this is a board revision issue. The 1836 I got Win2k to load on as an ACPI MultiCPU is using 2 PII-350's and was very late in the production run. I've not tried to load Win2k on the 1856 (we've never used any) but I've been able to get the following boards to load in ACPI single and multi-CPU modes on the following boards with the 1.18 BIOS: 1830 1832 1836 1837 1846 In addition, the 1830 and 1846 also had Windows 98 running an ACPI mode with 1.18 BIOS (that was a forced install using the /p /j switches) We do tend to configure the boards with common components, so I'd hardly claim this to be a scientific experiment. But all of the above were using an ATI RAGE Pro AGP Video Card of some type, all are using Kingston RAM (most are using ECC SDRAM) and hard disks are typically IBM or Western Digital. All of them also are using NetGear FA310tx Network Cards. The only BX Board that we have sold or deployed that will not install in Windows 98, Windows ME or, Windows 2k under ACPI mode is the S1894, which uses an Award BIOS and I've long since given up hope that there will be a BIOS revision for ACPI support for this board. ACPI simply will not show up in the device manager unless the ACPI HAL is installed... Sorry I could not be more of help and Good Luck, Michael Edward Kohlman
Subject: Strange Problem with Win2k and games on 1836DLUAN From: "Ningauble" hotmail.com> Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 15:41:17 GMT I have been experiencing a very strange problem running a few games under Win2k that everyone else seems to be doing ok with. Ever since beta 1, when I would use the hacked NT 3dfx drivers and run unreal, after anywhere from 30 seconds to 15 minutes in the flyby, the entire system freezes and the sound loops for about 2 to 15 seconds, then resumes running. This problem has persisted to the final release 2195, which I did a clean install of, and the official 3dfx hacked drivers released a week ago. The *really* strange thing, is now I have d3d running on my viper 770, and the same lockup happens when running unreal in d3d mode on the viper. Also, everquest has the same problem under glide on the voodoo2's and d3d on the viper, although it can take hours of EQ to make it hangup. Often the hangups only happen once then go away, but othertimes keep happening sequentially. I hooked the voodoo2's to a second monitor so I could see what was going on when the hangs occur, and the entire system grinds to a halt, the system monitor froze, then resumed when the hangup finished. Network protocols, keyboard input, everything is totally unresponsive for the duration of the hang. Unreal using the same drivers under NT4 runs with no problem, and both EQ and Unreal run flawlessly under windows 98. My system is otherwise 100 percent stable and I experience no other unusual behavior running ordinary desktop apps, only the games I listed cause trouble. My system is as follows: Tyan 1836DLUAN mainboard 2xCeleron 366's running at 550 on MSI6905 slockets (I have run the system at 366 and single cpu, and still have the hangups, in fact the hangups date back to when I had dual p2-266's) 2xVoodoo2's (stb blackmagic 12mb's in SLI) Viper 770 SBLive SB Vibra 16 (onboard) onboard UW dual channel adaptec scsi, seagate barracuda 9gig, 2gig jaz, and creative dvd-ram drive 2 3.2 gig EIDE drives in a striped config on the built in EIDE controller Yamaha SW60XG on the lone ISA slot built in Intel 100BaseT Ethernet I have disabled both sound cards, moved all my cards around, stopped any and all extraneous services, tried all the drivers for all the devices in this machine dating back to Beta 1 of NT5.0 and nothing seems to fix this problem. Nothing is reporting errors in the event log, and the machine runs these games flawlessly in win 98. If its and interrupt problem I can't tell, since my MB is using the APIC high interrupts. I tried underclocking the voodoo2's to as low as 60mhz and the lockup still occurs the following games cause the hangups: Everquest running on both the viper in d3d and the voodoo2's in glide Unreal (original not tournament) running in both d3d (viper) and glide (voodoo2) mode the following games seem to run fine (both on the viper 770 using 3.78 nvidia ref. drivers) Asheron's Call NBA Live 2000 Baldurs Gate If anyone has been having similar problems or can shed any light on this problem I would greatly appreciate it. This problem has been driving me nuts for about 6 months and is the only reason I still have Win98 on my computer at all. Ning
Subject: S1836 DLUAN-BX + AGP card From: "Tim Betts" nc.rr.com> Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 19:06:11 GMT I have a Tyan Thunder 100 S1836 DLUAN-BX with Intel 440BX AGPset chipset. I also have an all SCSI system and IDE disabled, with 2 Western Digital, 1 Seagate Barracuda, and 1 Plextor 32x CD-ROM (all SCSI). I also have the on-board Adaptec SCSI enabled (2 channels according to Win98 Device Manager). I have taken out my other cards (SoundBlaster Live (PCI) and Diamond SupraExpress 56K Modem (ISA)). I have 256 MB Ram and dual 400Mhz Pentium II's. Finally, I am running dual boot with Windows 98 SE and NT4.0 SP5. Phew! Anyway, I am trying to get an AGP card to work for me. I have the latest Tyan BIOS, the Intel 440 INF utility, Windows 98 SE, and I have removed my other cards, so all I have in the system physically in slots is the AGP card, which is an ELSA Gloria II (64MB Geforce Quadro) card. I believe the problem to be a general one in trying to use AGP in this motherboard though. Well, just talking Windows 98 SE for now. Everything seems to install fine, and I can change color depth from 256 to 32-bit just fine, however, anytime I change resolution it doesn't take. I choose a resolution and the test occurs (although doesn't look good either), and then it resets back to 640-480 again. I of course suspect an IRQ conflict between the on-board SCSI and the card (both using IRQ 10 right now), but nothing I try seems to help. I have support calls into ELSA and others, but you know how that goes. If anyone has any advice at all I would love to hear it, and I really appreciate the help. I can supply as much information as needed, i.e. IRQ listing in Device Manager, BIOS settings, whatever. Thanks so very much, Cheers, Tim.
Subject: Re: S1836 DLUAN-BX + AGP card From: "bergmania" deja.com> Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 00:07:11 +0100 How strong is your powersupply? The Geforce needs lots of power.. AGP works as it should on my 1836.. I did have problems a year ago with a Diamond Viper550.. that worked in other computers but froze after 3 sec in 3d mode on the 1836... but I have a TnT2U now and it works perfect.. Does win98 report a IRQ conflict or you only see that 2 devices uses the same?? "Tim Betts" nc.rr.com> wrote in message > I have a Tyan Thunder 100 S1836 DLUAN-BX with Intel 440BX AGPset chipset. I > also have an all SCSI system and IDE disabled, with 2 Western Digital, 1 > Seagate Barracuda, and 1 Plextor 32x CD-ROM (all SCSI). I also have the > on-board Adaptec SCSI enabled (2 channels according to Win98 Device > Manager). I have taken out my other cards (SoundBlaster Live (PCI) and > Diamond SupraExpress 56K Modem (ISA)). I have 256 MB Ram and dual 400Mhz > Pentium II's. Finally, I am running dual boot with Windows 98 SE and NT4.0 > SP5. Phew! > > Anyway, I am trying to get an AGP card to work for me. I have the > latest Tyan BIOS, the Intel 440 INF utility, Windows 98 SE, and I have > removed my other cards, so all I have in the system physically in slots is > the AGP card, which is an ELSA Gloria II (64MB Geforce Quadro) card. I > believe the problem to be a general one in trying to use AGP in this > motherboard though. > > Well, just talking Windows 98 SE for now. Everything seems to install fine, > and I can change color depth from 256 to 32-bit just fine, however, anytime > I change resolution it doesn't take. I choose a resolution and the test > occurs (although doesn't look good either), and then it resets back to > 640-480 again. I of course suspect an IRQ conflict between the on-board SCSI > and the card (both using IRQ 10 right now), but nothing I try seems to help. > > I have support calls into ELSA and others, but you know how that goes. If > anyone has any advice at all I would love to hear it, and I really > appreciate > the help. I can supply as much information as needed, i.e. IRQ listing in > Device Manager, BIOS settings, whatever. > > Thanks so very much, > Cheers, > Tim.
Subject: Re: S1836 DLUAN-BX + AGP card From: Tim Betts nc.rr.com> Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 13:34:17 GMT You know I am not sure about the power supply, so I take a look tomorrow, but the card works just fine under Windows NT 4.0 SP6, so I am assuming it's powered ok. Although I understand that NT things the AGP is just a glorified PCI slot anyway. Anyway, Win98 does not report any conflict at all, and I just see 4 devices using IRQ 10 and the AGP card always seems to follow the SCSI controllers around in terms of IRQ. The ones sharing IRQ 10 are, 2 Adaptec SCSI controllers, the ELSA Gloria II and an IRQ for PCI Steering. After I e-mailed I figured out that if booted in safe-mode, I could change the resources settings of the ELSA card all I wanted, but of course if I don't get them all just perfect I assume (including memory and IO ranges and not just interrupt), Win98 does not boot at all. So I put everything back again. Oh well, I thought if I could get the SCSI and AGP on different IRQ's somehow that I would prove it wasn't an IRQ sharing problem. I also went to the archive of the S1836 on the Tyan site and it said in one of the FAQ's that the GeForce DDR was not compatible with the motherboard. Firstly, I don't know whether my card is DDR or not, but I question the completeness of there statement, since no mention of operating system is made and I know it works under Win NT. In fact, I wonder if there is something out for Win 98 that will make it behave the same as Win NT, in terms of how it understands the AGP, even if 98 had to downgrade the port to make it work. I will be calling ELSA tech support and the people who put my PC together tomorrow. I worked today (Sunday) so I could spend time on it tomorrow (Monday), so if you have anymore suggestions please let me know. I must get a firm answer to this issue or I'm going to have to switch motherboards and I would prefer not to have to right now, unless it is literally as easy as unplugging everything and putting the new one in, but I doubt it. I have never managed to get an AGP card working yet though, and I need to understand why it doesn't work, but obviously your's does. Maybe I need to back off from the state of the art a little. Cheers, Tim. bergmania wrote: > How strong is your powersupply? The Geforce needs lots of power.. > AGP works as it should on my 1836.. I did have problems a year ago > with a Diamond Viper550.. that worked in other computers but froze > after 3 sec in 3d mode on the 1836... but I have a TnT2U now and it works > perfect.. Does win98 report a IRQ conflict or you only see that 2 devices > uses the same??
Subject: 1.06Ghz on 1836DLUAN! From: reply-bot the.matrix.com> Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 03:19:10 GMT I have been wondering about this for a long time but no one has answered so I tried two socket 370 Celeron's on Slocket adapters at 533Mhz + 533Mhz=1.06Ghz under NT4 and W2K. The damn thing runs perfect and stable single or dual. If anyone else has faster combo running please respond I am looking for a STABLE combo over 600Mhz apiece 1.2Ghz or higher.
Subject: Re: 1.06Ghz on 1836DLUAN! From: "Vance Green" primenet.com> Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 09:50:37 -0700 Two 533 processors running SMP DOES NOT equal one 1.06G processor...
Subject: Re: 1.06Ghz on 1836DLUAN! From: reply-bot the.matrix.com> Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 17:37:35 GMT Entry point Sun, 19 Mar 2000 09:50:37 -0700, "Vance Green" primenet.com> was processed on reply-X server mainframe X12 T3: >Two 533 processors running SMP DOES NOT equal one 1.06G processor... Using LIghtwave which is what it's used for it's really more like a single 900Mhz....which is why I'm looking for a dual combo over 600Mhz. If you are referring to performance then no, in gigahertz potential , yes it is over 1Ghz.
Subject: Re: 1.06Ghz on 1836DLUAN! From: Andy Burns burns.net> Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 17:55:04 +0000 reply-bot wrote: >>Two 533 processors running SMP DOES NOT equal one 1.06G processor... > >Using LIghtwave which is what it's used for it's really more like a >single 900Mhz....which is why I'm looking for a dual combo over >600Mhz. If you are referring to performance then no which is what matters >in gigahertz potential, yes it is over 1Ghz. Driving two cars side by side at 60MPH doesn't get you from A to B any faster and is not equivalent to driving at 120MPH nothing inside your case is being actually being clocked at 1GHz ! -- Andy At Burns Dot Net
Subject: Re: 1.06Ghz on 1836DLUAN! From: rfalbo1 twcny.rr.com (F. Robert Falbo) Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 22:24:22 GMT Not only that, but depending on the application, he may be _barely_ using the second CPU. Windows is pretty pathetic when it comes to SMP. On top of that, Celerons.... UGH! Better to go buy some cheap P3-500's at $200 apiece. The S1836 cruises sweetly on them, and I think the motherboard lists a setting for 600MHz, but my memory may be a bit fuzzy on that one. I can't wait to get BeOS 5.0 on that setup! -bob-
Subject: Re: 1.06Ghz on 1836DLUAN! From: reply-bot the.matrix.com> Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 23:04:52 GMT Entry point Sun, 19 Mar 2000 22:24:22 GMT, rfalbo1 twcny.rr.com (F. Robert Falbo) was processed on reply-X server mainframe X12 T3: > >Not only that, but depending on the application, he may be _barely_ >using the second CPU. Windows is pretty pathetic when it comes to >SMP. On top of that, Celerons.... UGH! Better to go buy some cheap If you had read the whole thread you would have noticed that I am running LIghtwave on this machine under W2K, both OS and this program are SMP and fully multi-threaded since I am and have always been aware of the limitations of Win98. >I can't wait to get BeOS 5.0 on that setup! After you get it, you won't be able to wait to get rid of it once you discover you can't get drivers or common software for it. > >-bob- >
Subject: Re: 1.06Ghz on 1836DLUAN! From: F. Robert Falbo twcny.rr.com> Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 11:04:22 GMT reply-bot wrote: > If you had read the whole thread you would have noticed that I am > running LIghtwave on this machine under W2K, both OS and this program > are SMP and fully multi-threaded since I am and have always been aware > of the limitations of Win98. Oooohhh... you've got _1_ SMP enabled application. And in order to take _any_ advantage of SMP on W2k, an application has to be written specifically to use it. Normal multithreaded apps won't. ...But on BeOS, they will. > >I can't wait to get BeOS 5.0 on that setup! > > After you get it, you won't be able to wait to get rid of it once you > discover you can't get drivers or common software for it. I'll pass on your bloated Legacy software, your DLLs, and your archaic notion of a Registry. BeOS works fine, no, it works better without them. Once BeOS supports Java, I'll have no reason to use a Legacy OS again. Considering that NT still doesn't have drivers for many cards, I would't be so quick to speak. ;) -bob-
Subject: Re: 1.06Ghz on 1836DLUAN! From: "bergmania" my-deja.com> Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 21:05:38 +0100 "F. Robert Falbo" twcny.rr.com> wrote in message > I'll pass on your bloated Legacy software, your DLLs, and your archaic > notion of a Registry. BeOS works fine, no, it works better without them. > Once BeOS supports Java, I'll have no reason to use a Legacy OS again. > Considering that NT still doesn't have drivers for many cards, I would't > be so quick to speak. ;) > > -bob- But WinNT have a gigantic userbase so most hardware get drivers alot faster.. Hell Creative made WinNT drivers for their dxr2 mpeg decoder even that they first insisted that they didn't support NT.. But anyways this sounds like when I was young (my C= Amiga beats your AtariST ...or Mac or whatever).. Im happy with my 1836DLUAN and I'm running Win98(for games), WinNT4,Win2K (still not 100% sure so I did hang on to my trusty NT4) and finaly a Mandrake Linux distro.. They all are very usefull in their way..
Subject: Re: 1.06Ghz on 1836DLUAN! From: Guy_Rouillier csi.com (Guy Rouillier) Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 04:16:09 GMT This is erroneous. Win2K and WinNT can utilize the second CPU for applications not specifically written for it. Obviously, a single-threaded app can only run on one CPU. But Win2K will utilize the 2nd CPU for a multi-threaded app. And of course multiple processes can be distributed across multiple CPUs. I have a Tomcat IV with 2 233MMX Pentiums at home, while at work I have a 500 MHz Pentium III. My home system is much more responsive than the work computer, simply because the OS can start up new processes on whichever CPU is more idle. F. Robert Falbo twcny.rr.com> wrote: >Oooohhh... you've got _1_ SMP enabled application. And in order to take >_any_ advantage of SMP on W2k, an application has to be written specifically >to use it. Normal multithreaded apps won't. ...But on BeOS, they will.
===== Guy Rouillier
Subject: Re: 1.06Ghz on 1836DLUAN! From: F. Robert Falbo twcny.rr.com> Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 03:34:53 GMT In message <38d8480f.4717093 news.compuserve.com>, Guy Rouillier wrote: > This is erroneous. Win2K and WinNT can utilize the second CPU for > applications not specifically written for it. Obviously, a > single-threaded app can only run on one CPU. But Win2K will utilize > the 2nd CPU for a multi-threaded app. And of course multiple > processes can be distributed across multiple CPUs. I have a Tomcat IV > with 2 233MMX Pentiums at home, while at work I have a 500 MHz Pentium > III. My home system is much more responsive than the work computer, > simply because the OS can start up new processes on whichever CPU is > more idle. I have the same TomcatIV w/233MMX CPUs at work, 128MB of memory, and a full SCSI storage system, and with NT4.0SP5, it's a dog. The 1st CPU runs hot and the second is just barely warm during normal use. I've run NT, BeOS, RH6.1, and COL2.2 on the same setup, and I have the same setup except only 1 CPU running OS/2. That's my own observation, like it or not. -bob-
Subject: Re: 1.06Ghz on 1836DLUAN! From: reply-bot the.matrix.com> Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 02:04:40 GMT Entry point Tue, 21 Mar 2000 11:04:22 GMT, F. Robert Falbo twcny.rr.com> was processed on reply-X server mainframe X12 T3: > >Oooohhh... you've got _1_ SMP enabled application. And in order to take >_any_ advantage of SMP on W2k, an application has to be written specifically >to use it. Normal multithreaded apps won't. ...But on BeOS, they will. > I don't believe you have a clue as to what Lightwave is, do you? This machine is a working graphics machine and not an interesting curiousity for wannabe gamers. Let's see, it runs Lightwave, that's fully SMP, it runs Photoshop 5.5, that's fully SMP, it runs Studio Max 3.1...hey how about that, THAT's fully SMP also...oh and I can't forget all the multi-threaded apps like Premiere 5.0 and Igrafx Suite that run flawlessly and concurrently under W2K., Canoma, Carrara, etc., etc. When you get done comparing things you have absolutely no idea about then get yourself a multiprocessing computer, otherwise give us all a break and stick to a single CPU job that better suits your needs. Here's the latest Wintune 98 numbers under W2K MIPS - 3173 MFLOPS - 1333 RAM - 937 Compare those to the guy who posted his numbers w/733Mhz cu MIPS - 2119 MFLOPS - 847 RAM - 1485
Subject: Re: 1.06Ghz on 1836DLUAN! From: F. Robert Falbo twcny.rr.com> Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 03:56:36 GMT reply-bot wrote: > Let's see, it runs Lightwave, that's fully SMP, it runs Photoshop 5.5, > that's fully SMP, it runs Studio Max 3.1...hey how about that, THAT's > fully SMP also...oh and I can't forget all the multi-threaded apps > like Premiere 5.0 and Igrafx Suite that run flawlessly and > concurrently under W2K., Canoma, Carrara, etc., etc. Multithreaded does not necessarily infer SMP support.
Subject: Re: 1.06Ghz on 1836DLUAN! From: reply-bot the.matrix.com> Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 22:58:48 GMT Last I checked 900Mhz performance was not readily available in a single CPU. Lightwave is fully SMP and fully multithreaded relying heavily on FPU. This setup however much you may disdain still runs circles around a Single 733cu. >Driving two cars side by side at 60MPH doesn't get you from A to B any >faster and is not equivalent to driving at 120MPH Stupid analogy, it's not anything like driving two cars side by side. A dual CPU system when used with SMP software, like this one, is more like a person given the task of stacking boxes onto a table being one CPU add another CPU or another person to help stack the boxes and both persons, CPU's will accomplish the task much quicker, keeping in mind that they must stop to coordinate the act of picking up boxes from time to time.
Subject: Re: 1.06Ghz on 1836DLUAN! From: hume.spamfilter bofh.halifax.ns.ca Date: 20 Mar 2000 17:59:34 GMT reply-bot the.matrix.com> wrote: >Last I checked 900Mhz performance was not readily available in a You're NOT getting 900MHz performance. That's what everyone is trying to tell you. You're getting 2 CPUs at 500 MHz or whatever. This is NOT the same. It doesn't matter how "SMP" your program is. No single thread will run faster than a single CPU. Sure, the program can launch extra threads to perform tasks in parallel, but it will always depend on whether there is a task that can be performed concurrently or the scheduling of the OS. It may sometimes FEEL like 900MHz, and it can be said that you might have 900M usable cycles, but saying the speed of the machine equals the sum of the speeds of its CPUs is just plain wrong. >Stupid analogy, it's not anything like driving two cars side by side. Its not stupid at all. Two cars lets you haul along twice as much data, and get twice as much done in a given unit of time. But if you only have one thing to move, you're not going to get it done any faster. > A dual CPU system when used with SMP software, like this one, is more > like a person given the task of stacking boxes onto a table being one I could call this a stupid analogy, since in it you forget that many of the boxes are connected via chains. Brandon Hume - hume -> BOFH.Halifax.NS.Ca, http://WWW.BOFH.Halifax.NS.Ca/ -> Solaris Snob and general NOCMonkey
Subject: Re: 1.06Ghz on 1836DLUAN! From: David Kelsen mindspring.com> Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 17:26:03 -0600 > You're NOT getting 900MHz performance. That's what everyone is trying to > tell you. You're getting 2 CPUs at 500 MHz or whatever. > > This is NOT the same. It doesn't matter how "SMP" your program is. No > single thread will run faster than a single CPU. Sure, the program can > launch extra threads to perform tasks in parallel, but it will always depend > on whether there is a task that can be performed concurrently or the > scheduling of the OS. > > It may sometimes FEEL like 900MHz, and it can be said that you might have > 900M usable cycles, but saying the speed of the machine equals the sum of > the speeds of its CPUs is just plain wrong. You're failing to read the entire message, Brandon. If he were claiming that the speed of the machine equals the sum of the speeds of its CPUs, he would be claiming 1066MHz performance equivalence. > > A dual CPU system when used with SMP software, like this one, is more > > like a person given the task of stacking boxes onto a table being one > > I could call this a stupid analogy, since in it you forget that many of > the boxes are connected via chains. You need to claim that ALL the boxes are connected via chains, Brandon. Otherwise, you're inadvertently conceding his point - while some of the boxes are separate (or while there are threads that are independent) the thruput can be doubled. Since most software does not take advantage of this, most of the time thruput is increased only marginally. In the case of software that is optimized for dual processors, I can well believe that thruput would be increased by 68% (which is his claim). Dave Kelsen.
Subject: fastest CPU in a s1836???? From: "SnowGhost" eisa.net.au> Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 13:37:32 +1100 I emailed tyan, some time ago, asking if they would support CuMine's in a s1836, and the reply was bascially, no. A Bios update wouldn't fix all the issue's. Has anyone out there tried any CPU's faster than P3-600/100. Ben snowghost REMOVE_THIS.eisa.net.au
Subject: overclocked C300A on 1836DLU causing Voodoo3 3000 AGP lockups From: Meng SPAMFREE.tm.net.my> Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 16:40:58 +0800 Hi All Got a problem with 2 Voodoo3s - one OEM V3 2000 AGP and one boxed V3 3000 AGP (both manufactured in Mexico). Both cards lock up when switching from 2D to 3D operation (black screen and no response to keyboard - hard reset needed to recover) when I overclock my CPU, a Celeron 300A. I'm only O/C my CPU, *not* the Voodoo3s. No problems at all when I stay in 2D operation or if I make it through ok to 3D mode....once in 3D its ok. At normal 66 Mhz FSB - no problems At 100 Mhz FSB - occasional lockups when I start any 3D game - (AGP 67 MHz - measured by Sisoft Sandra) At 103 Mhz FSB - frequent (almost always) locks up (AGP 69 Mhz) MOBO: Tyan 1836 BX Thunder 100DLU BIOS version V1.18.02 0901991100 CPU: Single Celeron 300A OS: Windows 95 OSR 2 RAM : 128 MEG PC 100 - 100 Mhz Siemens chips 3DFx Voodoo 3000 AGP (and 2000 AGP) Drivers: win95 WHQL 1.04.00 Sony Multiscan 17sf II 1024x768x16 bits HDC: on board Adaptec 3940 Wide Ultra SCSI SCSI Devices: Quantum Atlas IV, Fireball 3.2G, Pioneer DVDROM, Ricoh CDRW Other PCI: NE2000 10baseT LAN, RealMagic Hollywood DVD, SB Live Value TIA for any insights, especially from you 1836 overclockers out there. BTW SoftFSB now works for the 1836 (make sure you set the clock generator WRITE ONLY) in case you wanna bypass that dumb overclock warning message and/or any other change FSB on the fly stuff. Cheers Meng
Subject: S1836DLUAN-GX and 600Mhz Katmai From: "Robert" emailaddress.com> Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 18:05:40 -0500 My motherboard is a Tyan S1836DLUAN-GX Thunder 100. I recently purchased a boxed PIII 600Mhz [Prod. code: BX80525U600512ESL3JT 600/512/100/2.05V]. I also have a Voodoo3 3000 AGP. I can't get this combination to boot. No POST; no beeps; nothing; nada. I using the latest BIOS (1.18.02). I've set the jumpers correctly. It works fine with my old Celeron 300A. Does anyone know of any compatibility issues with this combination? What are the odds of the sealed processor being defective? Any suggestions as to what I can try to get this baby up and running? Any assistance would be appreciated. --Robert M Nugent' reply to rnugent _nospam_usa.net (Remove the "_nospam_")
Subject: Re: S1836DLUAN-GX and 600Mhz Katmai From: aia21 cam.ac.uk (Anton Altaparmakov) Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 12:55:57 GMT In the CPU descriptions you give it says 2.05V and the Tyan site says 600MHz Katmai and defines it as being 2.0V. - I know 0.05V shouldn't make that much of a difference, but there doesn't seem to be anything else which might cause it not to work apart from a fault in the CPU or the BIOS microcode. I was thinking of doing the same upgrade myself (have same mobo with 2x Celeron 300As) so would be very interested to know if you manage/don't manage to get this to work! Anyone else running 600MHz P3s on this mobo? Sorry I am not of any help..., did you get in touch with Tyan? Anton
Subject: Re: S1836DLUAN-GX and 600Mhz Katmai From: reply-bot the.matrix.com> Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 02:33:33 GMT Entry point Sun, 26 Mar 2000 12:55:57 GMT, aia21 cam.ac.uk (Anton Altaparmakov) was processed on reply-X server mainframe X12 T3: >I was thinking of doing the same upgrade myself (have same mobo with >2x Celeron 300As) so would be very interested to know if you >manage/don't manage to get this to work! You might be interested to know that I am running an older 1836DLUAN BX/GX which was running Dual PII 450's which I upgraded to Dual 433 Celerons on SLocket adapters both overclocked to 533/ea but Windows reports them both as 545Mhz. Sandra benchmark reports MIPS went up from 1192 to 1475 MFLOPS went up from around 615 to 717 for each CPU. I've tried several times to get them to post 650Mhz but they just won't go past a certain point. It has to be CPU's cause the bus nor the memory is really being pushed very hard.
Subject: Re: S1836DLUAN-GX and 600Mhz Katmai From: "RH" usa.com> Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 20:21:20 -0800 > You might be interested to know that I am running an older 1836DLUAN > BX/GX which was running Dual PII 450's which I upgraded to Dual 433 > Celerons on SLocket adapters both overclocked to 533/ea but Windows > reports them both as 545Mhz. > I too am thinking of upgrading an older S1836DLUAN (BX) with a pair of Celerons. Please tell me which SLocket adapter (brand and model number) you are using. Many thanks.
Subject: Re: S1836DLUAN-GX and 600Mhz Katmai From: carlos 3dwizards.com (Carlos Rego) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 04:09:28 GMT I don't know about the 600, but I run this with 2 x PIII 500 (SL23D's) OC to 560 (112Mhz bus) and works great .. I wish I could push the CPU's even further, but I can't complain, 560Mhz (1120 hehe) and not a single blue screen on win2k Carlos
Subject: Re: S1836DLUAN-GX and 600Mhz Katmai From: Meng SPAMFREE.tm.net.my> Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 13:14:10 +0800 Mine's the 1836DLU-BX with Voodoo3 3000 AGP with a Celeron 300A and thinking seriously about buying the PIII 600 as well. Didn't know they had a 2.05 V core. My DLU has a 2.06V core voltage. Looks like your PIII is the 600B (Katmai 2.0 V core 100 MHz FSB) and not 600BE (Coppermine 1.8V core 133 MHz FSB). Check out this URL, your CPU is an SL3JT so it looks fine for the 1836. http://developer.intel.com/design/pentiumiii/qit/database/SL3JT.htm >I can't get this combination to boot. No POST; no beeps; >nothing; nada. last time I had this exact same problem was when I installed the Celeron on the 1.07 BIOS - flashed the latest version then (1.12) and it worked. However you did mention you already flashed the latest version...sooooo, maybe the flash didn't work or the katmai support in 1.18.02 doesn't work ? >I using the latest BIOS (1.18.02). I've set the jumpers >correctly. It works fine with my old Celeron 300A. I'm wondering if the jumpers have any effect, doesn't seem to make any difference what jumper settings I use. >Does anyone know of any compatibility issues with this >combination? What are the odds of the sealed processor >being defective? Any suggestions as to what I can try to >get this baby up and running? my only problem is my Voodoo3 3000 locks up switching from 2d to 3d when I overclock my Celeron to 100 Mhz FSB (AGP at 69Mhz).....funny thing is at 83 Mhz FSB (AGP at 83 MHz) it works fine ! Can't get this resolved yet. >Any assistance would be appreciated. Apart from contacting Tyan try reflashing the BIOS. Lemme know what happens, I'm thinking of the same upgrade too. Just remove the spamfree from my email if you want to email me. Cheers Meng
Subject: Re: S1836DLUAN-GX and 600Mhz Katmai From: Meng SPAMFREE.tm.net.my> Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 14:45:50 +0800 On Mon, 27 Mar 2000 13:14:10 +0800, Meng SPAMFREE.tm.net.my> wrote: >Looks like your PIII is the 600B (Katmai 2.0 V core 100 MHz FSB) and >not 600BE (Coppermine 1.8V core 133 MHz FSB). oops My mistake here: 600 is the Katmai 2.05V core (only the 550 has a 2.0V core) 600B is the 133 Mhz FSB Coppermine 600EB is the Coppermine with on chip cache called Advanced Transfer Cache ATC. According to what I can find on Intel's web site, yours is one of two S-Spec # of 600 Mhz CPUs which should work on the 1836. Your SL3JT (Retail CPU boxed with Fan/Heatsink) and the SL3JM (this is the OEM CPU). I have an excel 2K spreadsheet of all the P3 CPUs up to 733Mhz on the Intel website if you want it. Cheers Meng
Subject: Re: S1836DLUAN-GX and 600Mhz Katmai From: "RH" usa.com> Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 20:29:45 -0800 > According to what I can find on Intel's web site, yours is one of two > S-Spec # of 600 Mhz CPUs which should work on the 1836. Your SL3JT > (Retail CPU boxed with Fan/Heatsink) and the SL3JM (this is the OEM > CPU). I wonder if you can explain why a Coppermine PIII is not recommended for the S1836DLUAN? Further, what are the chances of making a Coppermine FCPGA unit like a 600E work on the 1836 with the help of an IWill SLocket 2? Thanks.
Subject: Re: S1836DLUAN-GX and 600Mhz Katmai From: CB dakotacom.net> Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 22:09:04 -0700 RH wrote: > I wonder if you can explain why a Coppermine PIII is not recommended for the > S1836DLUAN? Further, what are the chances of making a Coppermine > FCPGA unit like a 600E work on the 1836 with the help of an IWill SLocket 2? > > Thanks. I believe voltage and signal issues. It may be they the new stepping will behave better, as a number of "issues" have been fixed. Without BIOS support for the Coppermine it won't work. With BIOS support and one of the adapters with on-card voltage regulation (Soltek makes one and at least one other company who's name escapes me) the chances should be pretty good. Intel is now validating adapter/motherboard combinations - see: http://www.theregister.co.uk/000326-000001.html CB
Subject: Re: S1836DLUAN-GX and 600Mhz Katmai From: Meng SPAMFREE.tm.net.my> Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 16:32:32 +0800 On Tue, 28 Mar 2000 22:09:04 -0700, CB dakotacom.net> wrote: >> I wonder if you can explain why a Coppermine PIII is not recommended for the >> S1836DLUAN? Further, what are the chances of making a Coppermine >> FCPGA unit like a 600E work on the 1836 with the help of an IWill SLocket 2? >I believe voltage and signal issues. It may be they the new stepping >will behave better, as a number of "issues" have been fixed. definitely voltage, the 1836 isn't likely to give ya 1.6V :( >Without BIOS support for the Coppermine it won't work. What is it in the BIOS that provides the support for various CPU cores desides voltage/clock settings and new pin functions ? good stuff, thanks Cheers Meng
Subject: Re: S1836DLUAN-GX and 600Mhz Katmai From: CB dakotacom.net> Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 07:39:04 -0700 > >> I wonder if you can explain why a Coppermine PIII is not recommended for the > >> S1836DLUAN? Further, what are the chances of making a Coppermine > >> FCPGA unit like a 600E work on the 1836 with the help of an IWill SLocket 2? > > >I believe voltage and signal issues. It may be they the new stepping > >will behave better, as a number of "issues" have been fixed. > > definitely voltage, the 1836 isn't likely to give ya 1.6V :( That is why the adapters that provide 1.6 volts with their own voltage regulator and power connection might work. > > >Without BIOS support for the Coppermine it won't work. > > What is it in the BIOS that provides the support for various CPU cores > desides voltage/clock settings and new pin functions ? Some of the core errata in various CPU steppings require BIOS fixes to ensure successful boot and operation. In this regard, the new Coppermine stepping may have an advantage as 6 or 8 problems specific to the original coppermine version - but not in the Katmai PIIIs have been eliminated - maybe these will even boot with the old PIII microcode. Additionally, FC CPUs with the new stepping *are validated* for use in dual configurations.
Subject: Re: S1836DLUAN-GX and 600Mhz Katmai From: "Carl Jaue" interchange.ubc.ca> Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 01:11:52 -0800 Voltage is not only the issue. I have a board that will support 1.6V and 1.65V without problems. I think Tyan better release a microcode update in their bios soon, if they wish to keep their customers.. All other MB manufacture have already provided bios updates for their dual BX/GX chipset MB, eg ASUS P2B-DS, Supermicro P6D series.....
Subject: Re: S1836DLUAN-GX and 600Mhz Katmai From: Meng SPAMFREE.tm.net.my> Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2000 12:48:50 +0800 Ok, so if the 1836 cannot directly support the Coppermines, the least Tyan could do is to release a BIOS update which along with a slotket or similar will allow us to use the Coppermines (at least the FSB 100 ones anyway). Right, time to start lobbying Tyan. Cheers Meng
Subject: Re: S1836DLUAN-GX and 600Mhz Katmai From: "Robert" emailaddress.com> Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2000 19:23:32 -0500 Thanks for all the help, but the BIOS is the latest and it's working fine. I tried the 600 in another computer (a Dell) and it worked. I've decided to return the processor and stick with my Celeron for the time being. Right now, the only thing that's bothering me is the fact that Tyan hasn't responded to my email concerning this matter. I figure next year when I upgrade my Mobo I'll see what Asus, Supermicro, or somebody else has to offer. -- Robert M Nugent
Subject: Re: S1836DLUAN-GX and 600Mhz Katmai From: "JollyRgr" crosslink.net> Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 05:13:21 -0400 Saw only your last entry. Hope you might be able to offer some advice, since I'm attempting to something similar on my S1836DLUAN-BX. I have flashed my BIOS to 1.18. 1. Want to upgrade to dual PIII 600 CPU's. Tyan site says that only the Katmai version will work. Is this a fact, or can I use a newer P3 version? 2. Would like to get one of the new DDR GeForce video cards, again Tyan FAQ says that they are not compatible with the 1836 mobo. No reason why that I could find. Currently running with a Diamond 770 ultra with not problems. Appreciate any help/answers. Tks
Subject: Re: S1836DLUAN-GX and 600Mhz Katmai From: Meng SPAMFREE.tm.net.my> Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 18:03:46 +0800 On Mon, 3 Apr 2000 05:13:21 -0400, "JollyRgr" crosslink.net> wrote: >Saw only your last entry. Hope you might be able to offer some advice, >since I'm attempting to something similar on my S1836DLUAN-BX. I have >flashed my BIOS to 1.18. ok, that means you should be ready to take the Katmai 600 MHz P3 but read on ..... >1. Want to upgrade to dual PIII 600 CPU's. Tyan site says that only the >Katmai version will work. Is this a fact, or can I use a newer P3 version? There are only 2 P3 CPU's which meet the criteria: Katmai core, 600MHz, 100 MHz FSB, 2.0V core Voltage The CPU S-Specs are SL3JM (OEM) and SL3JT (Boxed retail) However: Intel's web site (which has been confirmed in earlier this thread) says these two CPUs are 2.05V core voltage. The SL3JT did *NOT* work (I haven't tried it myself since I can't afford an expensive paperweight - they don't do returns where I live) I have emailed Tyan for an answer and got an autoreply which basically said that I *may* not get a reply on this.....depending on whether they think my question is worth answering (I hope some Tyan techs are reading this). So in summary, I haven't seen or heard of anyone managing to get a 600 MHz P3 running on the 1836 and if there are, they are not saying anything :(. Might be easier to get some 550s and overclock them :) >2. Would like to get one of the new DDR GeForce video cards, again Tyan FAQ >says that they are not compatible with the 1836 mobo. No reason why that I >could find. Currently running with a Diamond 770 ultra with not problems. > Appreciate any help/answers. Tks hmm, sorry, I can't answer this one, I use 3Dfx stuff personally....which has a problem (involving overclocking a celeron 300A) with my 1836 which hasn't been resolved either....and since it is an overclocking problem I'll never get any answers from Tyan or 3Dfx. Cheers Meng
Subject: Re: S1836DLUAN-GX and 600Mhz Katmai From: carlos 3dwizards.com (Carlos Rego) Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 21:49:52 GMT On Wed, 05 Apr 2000 18:03:46 +0800, Meng SPAMFREE.tm.net.my> wrote: >So in summary, I haven't seen or heard of anyone managing to get a 600 >MHz P3 running on the 1836 and if there are, they are not saying >anything :(. Might be easier to get some 550s and overclock them :) > I just put 2x500 running at 2x560Mhz (112mhz bus) ... works GREAT ... would not even think of buying the 600 Carlos
Subject: Re: S1836DLUAN-GX and 600Mhz Katmai From: "JollyRgr" crosslink.net> Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 22:13:32 -0400 Tks Meng, this helps. Running with a multi-boot system, all SCSI UW drives. Going with the 550s might be better, but I wanted to get the highest speed possible up front. Using a PII 400 I've pushed the FSB to 112. Interestingly enough NT4.0 worked fine, but W98 didn't. Couldn't get W98 stable at any higher than 103 on the FSB. Just loaded W2k 2 weeks ago on another drive. It seems to take after 98 in not likening 112 R/JollyRgr
Subject: Re: S1836DLUAN-GX and 600Mhz Katmai From: Yeah Right! u.com> Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2000 16:24:55 -0500 I'm not sure where Tyan has found that a GeForce256 DDR card will not work on the S1836. I have been running a Creative Labs Annihilator Pro since December 1999 with no hardware issues on 5 different operating systems ( WinNT4, W2K, BeOS 4.5.2 (had to use VESA 2.0 mode), Win98, SuSE Linux 6.3 ). Also am using a SB Live!, Hauppauge WinTV PCI, Adaptec 2940U2W PCI, and Voodoo2 PCI. I also have on-board sound enabled, both IDE channels in use, and both of the on-board SCSI channels are in use. So I'm not sure what combination is needed to cause a conflict with the GeForce256 DDR but fortunately I've avoided it. I called and talked to support about an updated BIOS with support for Coppermine. I was told that the 600 MHz Katmai was the limit unless I wanted to modify my board by replacing some capacitors and also perform some soldering in a few places around the board. They sent me the beta BIOS for ACPI support in W2K, but I have no need to flash it ( It will probably break something ). I am currently running dual celerons at 466 MHz - not overclocked. I have been running like this since October. Would be curious to hear of experiences with the beta BIOS(ACPI support in W2K). _j_
Subject: Re: S1836DLUAN-GX and 600Mhz Katmai From: George NotMail.com> Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2000 19:47:12 -0400 On Fri, 7 Apr 2000 16:24:55 -0500, Yeah Right! u.com> wrote: >Would be curious to hear of experiences with the beta BIOS(ACPI support >in W2K). Just burned the beta bios in 1836DLUAN, under W2K. Had to re-install W2K to get it to recognize and install ACPI support. All is well including ACPI. Config: Dual P3 450 with 512 MB ECC RAM. With usual array of IDE and SCSI CD, CDRW, and Disk.
Subject: Re: S1836DLUAN-GX and 600Mhz Katmai From: Yeah Right! u.com> Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2000 17:59:56 -0500 I am using the ASUS S370 Slocket. Info is here: http://www.asus.com/Products/Motherboard/Pentiumpro/S370/index.html Review is here: http://www7.tomshardware.com/cpu/99q2/990510/dualcel-01.html Hope this helps. _j_ bproulx wna-linknet.com says... > Your CELERONS PPGA? If so what slocket card are you using?
Subject: Re: S1836DLUAN-GX and 600Mhz Katmai From: reply-bot the.matrix.com> Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2000 18:21:18 GMT Entry point Fri, 7 Apr 2000 16:24:55 -0500, Yeah Right! u.com> was processed on reply-X server mainframe X12 T3: >I'm not sure where Tyan has found that a GeForce256 DDR card will not >work on the S1836. I have been running a Creative Labs Annihilator Pro >since December 1999 with no hardware issues on 5 different operating >systems ( WinNT4, W2K, BeOS 4.5.2 (had to use VESA 2.0 mode), Win98, SuSE >Linux 6.3 ). Also am using a SB Live!, Hauppauge WinTV PCI, Adaptec >2940U2W PCI, and Voodoo2 PCI. I also have on-board sound enabled, both >IDE channels in use, and both of the on-board SCSI channels are in use. >So I'm not sure what combination is needed to cause a conflict with the >GeForce256 DDR but fortunately I've avoided it. HALLELUJA! I was afraid to get a DDR cause those guys at Tyan said it was not compatible and you know how impressed I was with their incredibly elaborate explaination and possible work-around solutions. > >I called and talked to support about an updated BIOS with support for >Coppermine. I was told that the 600 MHz Katmai was the limit unless I >wanted to modify my board by replacing some capacitors and also perform >some soldering in a few places around the board. They sent me the beta >BIOS for ACPI support in W2K, but I have no need to flash it ( It will >probably break something ). > >I am currently running dual celerons at 466 MHz - not overclocked. I have >been running like this since October. I was running Dual PII"s 400's 450Mhz on 112Mhz bus multi-OS no problems for almost two years and then I decided to try two 6.5X 433Mhz Celeron's on Adapters. Both were easily able to go to 540Mhz/ea on 83FSB. The FSB is slower than before but stability is perfect and MIPS and MFLOPS is much better than old PII's so it was really a no-brainer. > >Would be curious to hear of experiences with the beta BIOS(ACPI support >in W2K). > >_j_
Subject: Dual Slockets with S1836????possible?? Advice needed. From: bproulx wna-linknet.com Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 16:34:47 -0700 Just cancelled my order for two PIII 600's because all the incompatibilities with the S1836. now I am loocking at either sticking with dual PIII 500's or 550's or going for the IWILL SLOCKET II and a pair of Coppermines. Of course the most valuable advice comes from the readers of this newsgroup so I need some. Thanks brian bproulx wna-linknet.com
Subject: Re: Dual Slockets with S1836????possible?? Advice needed. From: carlos 3dwizards.com (Carlos Rego) Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 21:53:15 GMT I went with 2 PIII's 500 Boxed (SL37D) and run them at 560Mhz (112Mhz bus) they work great on my 1836DLU, win2k has not a problem, and I never got a blue screen ... I would go that route Carlos
Subject: Re: Dual Slockets with S1836????possible?? Advice needed. From: reply-bot the.matrix.com> Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 05:19:15 GMT I was running dual PII400's oc'ed to 450 on 112Mhz bus then I tried several Socket Celerons on SLocket adapters just for the hell of it, I was building several systems and had tons of them laying around. The Slocket adapters support FSB 66,83,100,133 and dual CPU's. I installed two 6.5 multiplier 433Mhz Celerons. I was easily able to get two to go to 540Mhz x (2) 83Mhz FSB. They could only boot part way 650Mhz 100Mhz FSB. Note that the dual Celerons I tested and installed do in fact outperform dual PII's even with slower FSB and there is absolutely NO compatibility issues whatsoever....period. Otherwise, I wouldn't have installed them. So I replaced my old PII's with the Celerons after testing for compatibility and performance comparison to old PII's. They performed better than the PII's that were overclocked on 112Mhz bus on both MIPS and MFLOPS. Then I added a Promise UDMA66 and 27.4GB 7200 WD Drive the system really perked up. BTW I still have (4) of the slocket adapters left.
Subject: S1836DLUAN and Win2K Pro From: beezot my-deja.com Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 13:41:46 GMT has anyone got this to work, I have 2 PI450 with 256 RAM, Ive tried with the SCSI on the board and also a TekRam SCSI card, My system is All SCSI / USB so I have IDE, P/S 2 Mouse, Printer, & serial ports turned off. The problem is that I can only get it to work if I cange the CPU Cahce setting to write through( it could be writeback, what ever it is, it's not the default). If I don't make this change the machine Bluescreens with an IRQ not equal to or lessthan error right after it checks USB devices. Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.
Subject: Re: S1836DLUAN and Win2K Pro From: F. Robert Falbo twcny.rr.com> Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 23:46:18 GMT In message <8d4iqm$cb7$1 nnrp1.deja.com>, beezot my-deja.com wrote: > has anyone got this to work, I have 2 PI450 with 256 RAM, Ive tried with > the SCSI on the board and also a TekRam SCSI card, My system is All SCSI > / USB so I have IDE, P/S 2 Mouse, Printer, & serial ports turned off. > The problem is that I can only get it to work if I cange the CPU Cahce > setting to write through( it could be writeback, what ever it is, it's > not the default). If I don't make this change the machine Bluescreens > with an IRQ not equal to or lessthan error right after it checks USB > devices. The 1836DLUAN works fine here with 2x P3-500's, and 256MB RAM. I've got the onboard SCSI hooked to 2 IBM wide SCSI 9GB, 1 IBM wide SCSI 18GB, a Yamaha 4/4/16 Writer, and a Plextor 30+-something CDRom. USB is on, as are all the other ports except ATA, which is naturally turned off. :) Cache is set to the defaults. I'm running a Matrox MII AGP, and I'm using the onboard sound & NIC. (Life is good... no,... Life _Be_ good.) Then again, perhaps you should think about changing to a more modern OS that takes better advantage of the 1836? -bob- -- Newsreader 1.17 for BeOS
Subject: Re: S1836DLUAN and Win2K Pro From: beezot my-deja.com Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 23:11:47 GMT Thanks for the info, Tyan is stumped also, as for a modern OS my BEOS 5 pro just shipped so I'm with you, but I do need my Q3A and UT
Subject: Re: S1836DLUAN and Win2K Pro From: srwnws1q00 cinci.rr.com (Scott W.) Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 22:26:31 GMT I have an 1836 with 2 PII 400s and 256MB of memory, and I'm running Win2K Pro with no problems other than issues with my Geforce DDR video card when running direct 3D games. In 2D mode everything works just fine. I have SCSI, USB, and IDE devices on the system. I even have two additional 2940 SCSI cards in the system. Seems stable except for the hangs when I try to run a 3D game. SW
Subject: Tyan s1836dluan using a 550mhz CPU From: wilsonb pobox.com Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 15:15:59 GMT Hi all, Im having some problems getting a 550Mhz to work in my Tyan 1836 . I have a s1836dluan BX board with a 350mhz 512cach slot 1 works fine. I bought a 550Mhz Intel CPU label on top of Intel CPU with 550 / 512 /100 2.0V S1 CostaRica SL3F7 I can NOT get this to work. I even chaged the jumpers Jp9-11 off and jp12-ON even though the PIII shouldn't need it. Im not sure if its a Coppermine CPU or a KATami. How do I tell the difference? Which one does the s1836 support? Thanks for any feedback,
Subject: Re: Tyan s1836dluan using a 550mhz CPU From: Norbert Phillipps jps.net> Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 11:38:50 -0400 Coppermine cores are denoted by an E after the speed. Also I know on the 1854 you have to reset the cmos when you install a new processor..... and make sure the processor is seated properly, very often people don't set slot 1's all the way in
Subject: Re: Tyan s1836dluan using a 550mhz CPU From: wilsonbradley my-deja.com Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 00:10:19 GMT Ya, I reset it and made sure the CPU was seated firmly. I seems to me I have a bad CPU.
Subject: S1836DLUAN + Geforce DDR Video Card From: srwnws1q00 cinci.rr.com (Scott W.) Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 22:56:19 GMT Hi folks: I read the thing in the Tyan FAQ about the Geforce DDR video card not being compatable with the S1836DLUAN motherboard. I'm using the card and it works fine in Win98, both for regular windows and with 3D games. It also works fine in Win2K in 2D mode, but locks up when trying to run a 3D game. I was figuring that the problem was the 3D drivers for Win2K, but after reading that FAQ I'm not sure. I am running dual processors. Has anyone else had experience with this combination? Scott W. cinci.rr.com
Subject: Re: S1836DLUAN + Geforce DDR Video Card From: bom no.bom> Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 19:26:50 GMT Nvidia's Geforce/TNT drivers "just don't work completely" under windows 2000 yet. You may have some luck by pulling out 1 CPU, but then, that sort of defeats the purpose of having an SMP OS, and SMP hardware. On Thu, 13 Apr 2000 22:56:19 GMT, srwnws1q00 cinci.rr.com (Scott W.) wrote: >Hi folks: > >I read the thing in the Tyan FAQ about the Geforce DDR video card not >being compatable with the S1836DLUAN motherboard. I'm using the card >and it works fine in Win98, both for regular windows and with 3D >games. It also works fine in Win2K in 2D mode, but locks up when >trying to run a 3D game. I was figuring that the problem was the 3D >drivers for Win2K, but after reading that FAQ I'm not sure. I am >running dual processors. Has anyone else had experience with this >combination? > > >Scott W. > cinci.rr.com
Subject: Re: S1836DLUAN + Geforce DDR Video Card From: srwnws1q00 cinci.rr.com (Scott W.) Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 16:55:18 GMT Yup, it sure does defeat the purpose. Does it work in 3D mode for you when you run only 1 processor? Scott W. On Sat, 15 Apr 2000 19:26:50 GMT, bom no.bom> wrote: >Nvidia's Geforce/TNT drivers "just don't work completely" under >windows 2000 yet. You may have some luck by pulling out 1 CPU, but >then, that sort of defeats the purpose of having an SMP OS, and SMP >hardware.
Subject: Anyone flashed the 2.0 BIOS for 1836DLUAN? From: DD newsguy.com> Date: 21 Apr 2000 09:51:53 -0700 Anyone succesfully flashed the posted 2.0 BIOS for the S1836DLUAN board? Is it working good? can you use Coppermines now?
Subject: Re: Anyone flashed the 2.0 BIOS for 1836DLUAN? From: "Bergmania" my-deja.com> Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 23:44:22 +0200 Flashed it.. and my 1836 still boot.. But I can't realy see any improvements.. and I'm just to lazy to reinstall W2K just to se if ACPI works.. It ain't that cool (and I think power management is for girly men(with an austrian accent)). Ohh the Bios date reads 15/7/1999 now so Sisoft Sandra will hopefully shut up..
Subject: Re: Anyone flashed the 2.0 BIOS for 1836DLUAN? From: George NotMail.com> Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 21:46:32 -0400 Wasn't quite so lazy and did reinstall to see what ACPI would do. ACPI did work, however something was pegging the CPUs at 25% busy even with nothing running. Didn't like that so restore previous W2K image with no ACPI and CPUs are back at near 0% when nothings happening. ACPI ain't worth 25%
Subject: Re: Anyone flashed the 2.0 BIOS for 1836DLUAN? From: CB dakotacom.net> Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 19:12:32 -0700 George wrote: > > Wasn't quite so lazy and did reinstall to see what ACPI would do. ACPI > did work, however something was pegging the CPUs at 25% busy even > with nothing running. Didn't like that so restore previous W2K image > with no ACPI and CPUs are back at near 0% when nothings > happening. ACPI ain't worth 25% I have seen a few posts about this problem affecting dual motherboards from Asus and Gigabyte as well - seems to be a combination of hardware and BIOS problem. Perhaps it will be fixable by Tyan with just a BIOS rework. CB
Subject: Re: Anyone flashed the 2.0 BIOS for 1836DLUAN? From: "Bergmania" my-deja.com> Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 12:29:58 +0200 When I forced ACPI support on 1.18 it was a constant 50% use so it seems that Tyan have fixed something..
Subject: Re: Anyone flashed the 2.0 BIOS for 1836DLUAN? From: "Guru" hotmail.com> Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 19:39:32 -0700 I don't have the ACPI problem with 1.18 under win2k. May be my board is a newer rev. My Asus P2B-DS had the ACPI problem, and ASUS were quick to solve the problem with a new BIOS and rework on the MB free of charges. Unlike ASUS, Tyan need to have their act straight, six months and no updates. What the hack. Tyan must think they have made the first bug free board, too bad they discontinued this board. :P I been waiting for the beta BIOS v2.0 over a week and they still haven't responded. I currently having problem with my RAID controller when GeForce video card is used, doesn't matter which manufacture, if the GF video is used I can't boot off of my RAID array. Please can someone post the beta bios. It's only 256k max and it won't crash the server. Can Bergmania or anyone spare 2 min. of you time to upload the file. I would greatly appreciated you efforts, and others as well Thanks
Subject: Anyone get PIII 550MHZ CPu working on a S1836 Dulan Tyan motherboard? From: wilsonbradley my-deja.com Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 20:46:42 GMT I got another PIII 550 512cache Slot1 - Same CPU model as below and still no boot. I tried a 500Mhz PII and it works. I guess Tyan's claims about the S1836Dulan Thunder doing PIII 550Mhz are false. wilsonbradley my-deja.com wrote: > Hi all, > > Im having some problems getting a 550Mhz to work in my Tyan > 1836 . > I have a s1836dluan BX board with a 350mhz 512cach slot 1 works fine. > > I bought a 550Mhz Intel CPU label on top of Intel CPU with > 550 / 512 /100 2.0V S1 CostaRica SL3F7 > > I can NOT get this to work. I even chaged the jumpers Jp9-11 off and > jp12-ON even though the PIII shouldn't need it. > Im not sure if its a Coppermine CPU or a KATami. How do I tell the > difference? Which one does the s1836 support? > > Thanks for any feedback,
Subject: Anyone get P3 550MHZ CPu working on a S1836 Dulan Tyan motherboard? From: wilsonbradley my-deja.com Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 20:53:20 GMT I got another PIII 550 512cache Slot1 - Same CPU model as below and still no boot. I tried a 500Mhz PII and it works. I guess Tyan's claims about the S1836Dulan Thunder doing PIII 550Mhz are false. Tried the latest bios rev. I paid for shipping for nothing....
Subject: Re: Anyone get P3 550MHZ CPu working on a S1836 Dulan Tyan motherboard? From: Mr Jones mtco.com> Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 12:58:56 -0500 I am currently running 2 P3 550s on my S1836DLUAN board. They are SL3F7 from Costa Rica. Prior to this I ran dual P2 400s. BIOS is 1.18.02. They will run at 103MHz FSB, but 112MHz FSB is unstable. OS is NT4 Server SP6a. Chris
Subject: Re: TYAN 1836 DLUAN GX BOARD HELP From: Nate Crawford alchemy.cchem.berkeley.edu> Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 23:48:25 -0700 On a related note, has there been any indication from Tyan that they plan on upgrading the BIOS to handle the Coppermines? They have done it for several of their other boards of about the same vintage. Ali wrote: > To be more specific: > Pentium 3 - 600 MHZ, 100MHZ FSB, Katmai (2.05V). > OrderCode: BX80525U600512E > > With current bios (V1.18), this board will not support the Coppermine > version. > "blue" nospamyahoo.com> wrote: > > Hi, was hoping someone could tell me what the fastest processor I can > put in > > this board is? It is a dual processor board and I was hoping to put a > > faster chip in that the p2 450 I have presently.
Subject: Re: S1836DLUAN-BX and 600Mhz Coppermine From: johnliu earthlink.net (John Liu) Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 04:57:53 GMT How can I tell what rev my 1836 is? BY the AGP being out of spec,do you mean that at FSB 133 the AGP is clocking too high? Does this create problems with any graphics boards? Lastly, are these Cu's the Celerons (66MHz FSB) so that you can OC them to 100MHz, or are you running Cu's intended for 133 FSB? On Thu, 27 Apr 2000 00:47:20 -0700, "Guru" hotmail.com> wrote: >Coppermines works just fine with the 2.0 bios, 1.60 and 1.65v >are of no issue with my board rev.E. Also FSB of 133 shows no >ill affects. I know, I know the AGP is out of spec. > >Disable you USB when flashing, it has cause problem for me >luckily I was able to reflash the BIOS on another board. > >
Subject: Re: S1836DLUAN-BX and 600Mhz Coppermine From: Mike Stewart netdoor.com.invalid> Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 09:18:09 -0500 johnliu earthlink.net (John Liu) wrote in >How can I tell what rev my 1836 is? Look near the edge of the board at the left/bottom end (the edge parallel and closest to the ISA slot); you should see a small white square with a letter in it. Mine is a revision D. I flashed the 2.0 beta BIOS with no problems (without disabling USB, even), though now I get BSODs on Win98 shutdown a lot (will hopefully be installing NT4 WS soon to take advantage of both PII-400s). Mike (remove the X and my email address is no longer .invalid) >On Thu, 27 Apr 2000 00:47:20 -0700, "Guru" hotmail.com> >wrote: > >>Coppermines works just fine with the 2.0 bios, 1.60 and 1.65v >>are of no issue with my board rev.E. Also FSB of 133 shows no >>ill affects. I know, I know the AGP is out of spec. >> >>Disable you USB when flashing, it has cause problem for me >>luckily I was able to reflash the BIOS on another board.
Subject: ATX Soft Powerup Problems with S1836DLUAN From: srwnws2q00 cinci.rr.com (Scott W.) Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 20:06:56 GMT Hi folks: I'm having a very strange problem with the ATX motherboard controlled powerup control on my Tyan S1836DLUAN motherboard. I just replaced my old power supply with a new ATX 425 watt power supply from PC Power and Cooling, which is fully ATX 2.01 compatable. Although my old power supply had ATX motherboard connectors on it, it also had a "hard" on/off switch just like the old AT power supplies. I was using that switch up to now, so this is the first time I've tried to use the motherboard to control the power on sequence. At first everything seeme to work OK. I was able to turn the system on and off using the soft on/off switch which connects to the motherboard rather than directly to the power supply. I set the "Power Interruption" option in the BIOS to "enable" so that if power were turned off at the UPS (my usual way of shutting the system off for the night) it would automatically start back up when I turned on the switch at the UPS rather than having to press the soft switch on the case again. I tested this several times, and the only odd thing I noticed was that Win2K could not turn the system off like I expected. However, cutting and restoring power from the UPS switch caused the system to power up without having to use the soft switch so I thought all was OK. I shut the system down, turned it off at the UPS (along with the other peripherals that the UPS switch controls) and went to bed. Next morning, about 6 hours later, I turned on the UPS; the peripherals powered up but the PC didn't power up. I tried using the soft power switch on the case, but nothing happened. I tried unplugging the PC and plugging it back in and still nothing. The soft son/off switch wouldn't start the system. At that point I turned off the UPS and went to work. I got home about 12 hours later and turned on the UPS, and as before the peripherals started but not the PC. However, when I tried the soft power switch this time the PC started right up. I checked the BIOS settings to make sure that the on/off switch wasn't set to suspend mode and that the power interruption option was still enabled, which they were. I repeated all the tests and turned off the UPS, both after Win2K did its shutdown and when the system was booting (to test and see if Win2K shutdown was somehow overriding the BiOS settings). All worked fine and the system always started without using the switch when power was reapplied from the UPS. I shut the system down as before and went to bed. Next morning, same problem, PC wont start and on/off switch won't work. This time I cleared the CMOS on the motherboard and low and behold the system started right up when I hit the power switch. This is some sort of BIOS problem I think, although I'm using the most recent BIOS (1.18.02). Also there doesn't appear to be any other BIOS settings concerning what the system is supposed to do in the event of a power failure. I've heard that some other BIOS's have options that allow you to indicate whether the system is supposed to re-enter the state it was in when the power went off, or if its supposded to just come back up, or wait for the switch to be pressed. The only option I see is an enable/disable option for "Power Interruption". If I disable that option I have to hit the power switch to restart the system even if I only disconnect it from the power source for a few seconds, so I'm assuming that enabling that options means that the system is supposed to restart automatically when power is restored (which it does other than overnight). Any advice or suggestions would be most welcome. I've emailed Tyan about this, but I'm not optimistic about getting results from them. Thanks, Scott W.
Subject: 1836DLUAN Wierdness after Beta Bios Update, (read inside) From: reply-bot the.matrix.com> Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 02:59:46 GMT First of all the Bios reads as 1.18b not 2.0 as I had expected. The flash went well and fundamentally it works pretty well. So anyone who wants to try it......should. The most interesting thing I saw was that it added two new FSB speeds. I don't think 68Mhz was there before and I am positive 124Mhz was not there before. I am sure there are some new ACPI things added but I don't really care for it and prefer it disabled. I am running two 6.5multiplier Celerons 83Mhz FSB on Slocket adapters. Here's what happened after Bios upgrade with different FSB settings and CMOS reset. 83Mhz FSB reports CPU - 533Mhz x 2 -- booted normal ran just like before bios update 100Mhz FSB reports CPU - 650Mhz x 2 -- will not boot past first scrns 112Mhz FSB reports CPU - 650Mhz x 2 -- will not boot past first scrns 124Mhz FSB reports CPU - 133Mhz x 2 -- booted normal ran just like before upgrade, reports weird CPU speed but runs otherwise normal. 133Mhz FSB reports CPU - 233Mhz x 2 -- will not boot past first screens, again with the weird CPU speed. The weirdness is this, although it boots and runs fine at 124Mhz FSB Sisoft Sandra benchmark show the CPU as still running at 542Mhz with the same old MIPS and MFLOPS performance as when running at 83Mhz FSB? Sandra also report the FSB as being 217Mhz, AGP 1x 145Mhz, 2x 290Mhz, PCI 53Mhz, all these numbers are way out of spec but the system acts perfect at 83Mhz FSB and the specs remain exactly the same when bios is set to 124Mhz FSB. I do experience video corruption and freezing when initializing 3D mode 124FSB. I don't know what's going on but both wintune overall memory goes up from 931MB/s to 945MB/s 124FSB and Cached disk goes 93MB/s to 96MB/s and 3MB uncached to 3.4MB uncahed. That's the only difference 83Mhz bus and 124Mhz bus that I can note. Anyone try various other speed processors and new FSB, let us know what happens.
Subject: Re: 1836DLUAN Wierdness after Beta Bios Update, (read inside) From: "Michael Kennedy" hotmail.com> Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 03:46:09 GMT I have an S1836DLUAN Thunder 100 with BIOS V1.18.02 installed. I'm running Windows 200 Prof. I've purchased a Matrox AGP Video card that has the G400 Chipset and 32 MB of video RAM on it. When I install the Matrox drivers Win2K tells me "Your computer's system firmware does not include enough information to properly configure and use this device. To use this device, contact your computer manufacturer to obtain a firmware or BIOS update. (Code 35)" Would this new 2.0 BIOS be helpful in fixing my problem? Where/how would I get a copy? TIA
Subject: Re: 1836DLUAN Wierdness after Beta Bios Update, (read inside) From: hiramc sco.COM () Date: 12 May 2000 04:22:34 GMT I tried to update my 1836DLUAN to the 1.18 BIOS and it caused my unix system to destroy itself. After many unsuccessful attempts of installing the unix with the 1.18 BIOS, I went back to BX36M17T.ROM (version 1.07 ?) and that worked just fine. With 1.18 BIOS installed, all I could get was a panic at random times from the unix kernel (UnixWare 7.10). --Hiram - WB6RSS
Subject: Re: 1836DLUAN Wierdness after Beta Bios Update, (read inside) From: reply-bot the.matrix.com> Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 15:28:43 GMT Entry point 12 May 2000 04:22:34 GMT, hiramc sco.COM () was processed on reply-X server mainframe X12 T3: > >I tried to update my 1836DLUAN to the 1.18 BIOS and it caused >my unix system to destroy itself. After many unsuccessful >attempts of installing the unix with the 1.18 BIOS, I went >back to BX36M17T.ROM (version 1.07 ?) and that worked just >fine. With 1.18 BIOS installed, all I could get was a panic >at random times from the unix kernel (UnixWare 7.10). > >--Hiram - WB6RSS That's to bad, I think the 1.18 bios was pretty good overall and this newer 2.0 beta is promising. I am glad they continue to develop the bios for these workhorse boards. Considering how expensive they were-are. I have had good luck with all my bios updates starting with 1.12. from Win95 to Windows2K Pro and all OS's in between always multiboot. I currently have two severely overclocked Celeron's pumping away in the old board pushing Win98 and W2K. I am just waiting for the final of bios 2.0 hoping full support for the new fangled cu CPU's, so I can pop a couple of high speed units onto the old system.
Subject: Re: 1836DLUAN Wierdness after Beta Bios Update, (read inside) From: "Paul" nospam.com> Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 11:26:59 -0700 Most likely you have enabled ACPI and your unix kernal doesn't like it. After flashing any Tyan BIOS go into the bios and reset defaults and then manually switch the defaults that you need for your config. RedHat worked fine on my Thunder 100 with Dual 450s and bios 1.18 (although I've switched back to Win2K to use the Raidport ... Paul sco.COM> wrote in message news:8fg0ua$jog$1 hobbes.sco.com... > > I tried to update my 1836DLUAN to the 1.18 BIOS and it caused > my unix system to destroy itself. After many unsuccessful > attempts of installing the unix with the 1.18 BIOS, I went > back to BX36M17T.ROM (version 1.07 ?) and that worked just > fine. With 1.18 BIOS installed, all I could get was a panic > at random times from the unix kernel (UnixWare 7.10). > > --Hiram - WB6RSS >
Subject: Re: 1836DLUAN Wierdness after Beta Bios Update, (read inside) - 1836beta.ROM (0/1) From: reply-bot the.matrix.com> Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 15:44:42 GMT Entry point Fri, 12 May 2000 03:46:09 GMT, "Michael Kennedy" hotmail.com> was processed on reply-X server mainframe X12 T3: >I have an S1836DLUAN Thunder 100 with BIOS V1.18.02 installed. I'm running >Windows 200 Prof. I've purchased a Matrox AGP Video card that has the G400 >Chipset and 32 MB of video RAM on it. > >When I install the Matrox drivers Win2K tells me "Your computer's system >firmware does not include enough information to properly configure and use >this device. To use this device, contact your computer manufacturer to >obtain a firmware or BIOS update. (Code 35)" > >Would this new 2.0 BIOS be helpful in fixing my problem? > >Where/how would I get a copy? > >TIA > To get a copy e-mail Tyan Tech and request it emphasizing your desire for ACPI compatability. Apparently this is their motivation for the upgrade but they have enhanced it in other ways also. Matrox boards, I have both a PCI w/RR capture board and a G200 AGP on my 1836DLUAN, are notorious for allocating (2) IRQ's. If the board refuses to give one up to the OS, your OS will start bitching. Try both enabling and disabling Plug and Play Aware O/S on your bios and see if the OS assigns your resources correctly. I don't know if the new Bios would help your issue but from what I can tell it won't hurt. I have attached the beta bios but if your server nix's it then get it from Tyan. I hope the binary police doesn't bitch about this post but it's only about 256K so get over it. Good Luck Disable USB, Bios cacheable and boot from floppy, follow ALL instructions and you should do fine.
Subject: Re: 1836DLUAN Wierdness after Beta Bios Update, (read inside) - 1836beta.ROM (0/1) From: "Michael Kennedy" hotmail.com> Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 15:45:16 GMT My server did strip off the file... *groan* but I've requested the BIOS from TYAN support. I also tried your suggestions and, so far, nothing has improved. Hopefully I'll get the BIOS file from TYAN quickly. Many thanks for your reply. I wish one of the ideas had worked.... Michael
Subject: 1836 is shutting down the machine From: carlos 3dwizards.com (Carlos Rego) Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 01:19:16 GMT I started getting this problem 2 weeks ago, sometimes I'm working and the machine just shuts down, no warning or blue screen, just lost of power, I try to start the machine (turn power button ON0 but no luck, I need to go to the motherboard, unplug the power from the power supply (on the mobo) plug it back in and then I can start the computer... Any ideas what this problem might be ? sometimes I work all day with no problems, I leave it idle for a few hours .. boom, it shuts down, it happens more frequently when it's idle then when I'm working (maybe it's just my impression) Any help would be appreciate, and sorry for my broken english PS - The Power supply is 300W from a SC-760 Supermicro Tower Carlos
Subject: S1837UANG and FC-PGA? From: acuity hooked.net (eric white) Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 14:51:00 GMT I have a Thunderbolt, S1837UANG, Version 1.16a (NOT the "-L" or the rev. H version, but an early version). Trying to upgrade to DUAL P-III 600E FC-PGA Processors Using a Slocket adapter, but no luck so far. Has anyone tried this? Perhaps a different brand of Slocket? (I am using a generic PCChips Slocket adapter). FYI, I do have the SMP ENABLED version of the 600E, but the board is not booting even with a single processor... Anyone know if the board even supports the FC-PGA processor? Support the 1.65V? Any help appreciated. Eric
Subject: Re: S1837UANG and FC-PGA? From: PIC bloodyidiots.com> Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 14:10:05 -0400 In article <392948b6.4605875 news>, acuity hooked.net says... > I have a Thunderbolt, S1837UANG, Version 1.16a (NOT the "-L" or the > rev. H version, but an early version). Trying to upgrade to DUAL > P-III 600E FC-PGA Processors Using a Slocket adapter, but no luck so > far. Has anyone tried this? Perhaps a different brand of Slocket? > (I am using a generic PCChips Slocket adapter). > > FYI, I do have the SMP ENABLED version of the 600E, but the board is > not booting even with a single processor... > > Anyone know if the board even supports the FC-PGA processor? Support > the 1.65V? According to Tyan, it needs to be revision G or later to support Coppermine of any type.
Subject: Re: S1837UANG and FC-PGA? From: acuity hooked.net (eric white) Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 00:19:18 GMT Thanks for the reply. I thought CopperMine referred just to the 133MHz bus CPUs - am I incorrect? I thought even if this was an FC-PGA processor, if it was a 100MHz FSB it was not Coppermine... Eric
Subject: 1836+Coppermine+GForce From: "karl-heinz.fibig" on-line.de> Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 22:10:15 +0200 After studying alot of messages concerning the 1836 and the posibibilities for Coppermines and GForce- Cards I try it and here is the result: In my 1836DLUAN works a 700 PentiumIII Coppermine , PC-133 Ram and a GForce2 Graphiccard without Problems. The first and importend condition is the 2.0Beta-Bios, not the 1836Beta!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 2.You need a Slot1-FCPGA-Adapter and a FCPGA-PentiumIII Prozessor,mine is a 700 3.In my experience 133-PC-Ram are mor stable to run at 112Mhz 4.Although Tyan says no support for GForce-cards, the new GForce2 Card needs less powersupply and works great. So after these Updates I have a great Machine and the Option to change to a Solano-board with these Components.By the way the Graphic-Card is from Guillemot 3DProphet II GTS. Karl-Heinz
Subject: Re: 1836+Coppermine+GForce From: "Paul" nospam.com> Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 12:09:10 -0700 I think the key to success (if it is really a Stable Success?) must be when the motherboard was manufactured and what REV it has. - Is your motherboard one of the GX ones? - What Revision is your mother board? (small letter in box) Even Tyan's newer 1837 motherboards needs a certain rev or later before they used a voltage regulator that could do the lower voltage needed by the Coppermines. Maybe they stuck that regulator on some of the 1836 boards too. Paul
Subject: Re: 1836+Coppermine+GForce From: "Paul" nospam.com> Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 11:33:59 -0700 email tyan support and say you are having Win2K ACPI problems and would like to test their new bios and they will send it to you -- they sent it to me and many others on this group. BTW -- on my rev D board the Coppermines do not work in either single or multi processor mode using the Iwill Slotket II. Paul
Subject: BIOS 2.0 1836 - What Changes? From: johnliu earthlink.net (John Liu) Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2000 19:10:07 GMT Does anyone know what changes have been made from BIOS 1.18 to 2.0beta for the 1836DLUAN? Either from talking to Tyan or from experience? I have got the 2.0 BIOS, thanks to the kindness of someone on this NG and subsequently to Tyan support, but the friendly Tyan tech couldn't - more likely, wasn't allowed to - tell me anything at all about what changes had been made in the BIOS. According to him, this is an unsupported BIOS, there is no documentation, don't plan on seeing this beta developed into an official release, and the solution for all problems is to flash back to 1.18.
Subject: Re: BIOS 2.0 1836 - What Changes? From: "Paul" nospam.com> Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2000 11:49:36 -0700 I have a first generation S1836DLUAN-BX (rev D) and am betaing this BIOS. My impressions: Coppermine positively does not work in MY machine (my voltage regulator is too old to provide needed voltage). Newer boards MAY or MAY NOT include different regulator chips (ANYBODY WANT TO GIVE DETAILS?) ACPI support on both Windows 2000 and Windows 98SE seems to be working better. Tyan will mail you the bios if you ask (safer than getting it thru a newsgroup -- remember people need to watch out for viruses and trojans). Paul
Subject: Re: BIOS 2.0 1836 - What Changes? From: "Muad'Dib (delete SPAMFREE to email me)" SPAMFREE.tm.net.my> Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2000 02:25:26 +0800 On Fri, 2 Jun 2000 11:49:36 -0700, "Paul" nospam.com> wrote: >I have a first generation S1836DLUAN-BX (rev D) and am betaing this BIOS. I have the same board....and just received the BIOS by email, thanks ! (you know who you are :) >My impressions: > Coppermine positively does not work in MY machine (my voltage regulator is >too old to provide needed voltage). thats why I bought two IWILL Slocket II, FC-PGA to Slot 1 converter cost me about US$14 each ..... this supports down to 1.3V (not guaranteed)..... however, I'm trying to borrrow a Coppermine CPU to test this before I spend my precious money on TWO expensive paperweights :) ... so far no one has one I can borrow :( > Newer boards MAY or MAY NOT include different regulator chips (ANYBODY >WANT TO GIVE DETAILS?) I don't think even the last revision of the 1836 can support the lower voltage...you definitely need the FC-PGA slotket or slocket that allows you to adjust the CPU core voltage. The old slockets meant for PPGA Celerons on Slot 1 motherboards *will not* work .... the FC-PGA pin out is different and the voltage is wrong. The IWILL slocket also works with Celerons , just a jumper setting. > ACPI support on both Windows 2000 and Windows 98SE seems to be working >better. >Tyan will mail you the bios if you ask (safer than getting it thru a >newsgroup -- remember people need to watch >out for viruses and trojans). No one from Tyan has personally replied any of my emails (I get an autoresponder which says "I may get a reply if it is relevant or something like that", so I doubt if asking them will help. Cheers Meng
Subject: Re: BIOS 2.0 1836 - What Changes? From: "Guru" hotmail.com> Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2000 23:32:53 -0700 Paul try setting your voltage to 1.8v and if you still can't get Cu to work replace your adapter. It's defective.
Subject: IWILL Slocket II and BX1836 DLU From: "Muad'Dib (delete SPAMFREE to email me)" SPAMFREE.tm.net.my> Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2000 10:59:19 +0800 Hi All I was wondering if anyone has tried using the new Beta 2.0 BIOS with an IWILL Slocket II and a 700Mhz or faster coppemine CPU on the BX1836 DLU ? I've seen one post about a 600 Mhz coppemine running with the beta BIOS but nothing on faster CPUs. Cheers Muad'Dib
Subject: Re: IWILL Slocket II and BX1836 DLU From: "Paul" nospam.com> Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2000 11:53:56 -0700 The New Bios, with Slocket II and a Coppermine 600 - 100FSB did not work on my Thunder 100 (bought the first week they were available -- Rev D). I am waiting for the Iwill Slocket III or the Powerleap PL-PIII which are both supposed to have on onboard voltage regulator so they can provide voltages not provided by older BX motherboards. Paul
Subject: Re: IWILL Slocket II and BX1836 DLU From: "Muad'Dib (delete SPAMFREE to email me)" SPAMFREE.tm.net.my> Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2000 02:34:56 +0800 >I am waiting for the Iwill Slocket III or the Powerleap PL-PIII which are >both supposed to have on onboard voltage >regulator so they can provide voltages not provided by older BX >motherboards. Do you mean some voltage other than CPU Vcore ? Unless your slocket II is a different revision ? Mine is version 1.1 and supports Vcore from 1.3 to 3.5V in steps of 0.05V Cheers Meng
Subject: Re: IWILL Slocket II and BX1836 DLU From: "Paul" nospam.com> Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 11:29:54 -0700 My Iwill Slocket II says that the Vcore setting has to actually match what the motherboard is producting. This is what their online faq says about an Asus P2B-D which has a similar age BX and regulator to the S1836-BX: from http://www.iwillusa.com/support/ProductFAQ.asp?ID=128&ModelName=Slocket%20II &Page=1&Parent=/support/ProductFAQ.asp Question "I own an ASUS P2B-D dual processor motherboard. The motherboard have does not support 1.6 Voltage,only support 1.8 upward.If I can use IWILL Sloket II to support both Voltage and DUAL processor for Intel Coppermine series (PIII 700 100Mhz FSB) Answer: , the Slocket-II does not support PWM, so that it does not support your motherboard, but Slocket-III supports PWM, so it can support this motherboard. " BTW - I only tried one coppermine 600- 100FSB -- didn't even get it to work so I didn't get as far as trying dual ... Paul
Subject: Re: IWILL Slocket II and BX1836 DLU From: "Muad'Dib (delete SPAMFREE to email me)" SPAMFREE.tm.net.my> Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2000 13:55:28 +0800 On Mon, 5 Jun 2000 11:29:54 -0700, "Paul" nospam.com> wrote: >My Iwill Slocket II says that the Vcore setting has to actually match what >the motherboard is producting. BTW what version is your Slocket II ? Mine is Version 1.1 A/W:93001-03 whatever that means. Mine doesn't come with any other documentation except for a Jumper setting table. No mention of anything else. Anyway, Isn't that contrary from its advertised features ? Quote on the box (looks like a giant McDonald's Apple Pie box) mine came in "CPU Vcore Adjustment from 1.3V to 3.5V" .... I read somewhere that "1.3V is not guaranteed since it is dependent on the M/B Voltage regulator" Hmm, lemme see if I got this right .... if my motherboard could support down to 1.3V, why in heck would I need the Slocket for (besides the physical connections) ? False advertising ? >This is what their online faq says about an Asus >P2B-D >Question "I own an ASUS P2B-D dual processor motherboard. The motherboard >have does not support 1.6 Voltage,only support 1.8 upward.If I can use IWILL >Sloket II to support both Voltage and DUAL processor for Intel Coppermine >series (PIII 700 100Mhz FSB) >Answer: >, the Slocket-II does not support PWM, so that it does not support your >motherboard, but Slocket-III supports PWM, so it can support this >motherboard. " PWM is a Pulse Width Modulator. I figure that is something used in switching power supplies after the rectifier (DC) to obtain specific regulated DC voltage. Right, thats means the Slocket II's voltage setting jumpers do nothing ? There are two devices on the slocket II: 2 - 3 Pin packages with the markings (no idea who the manufacturers are): Q3 - AC038 4E49 Q2 - f 937 G51 (f for Fairchild semiconductor ?) I haven't been able to find anything on them, could be voltage regulators or transistors (the Q2 and Q3 silkscreen markings on the PCB are the clue)....maybe a PWM ? I think we may have two very different versions of the Slocket II. Sorry, I'm even more confused now :( Cheers Meng
Subject: Re: IWILL Slocket II and BX1836 DLU From: "Muad'Dib (delete SPAMFREE to email me)" SPAMFREE.tm.net.my> Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2000 11:10:39 +0800 On Mon, 5 Jun 2000 11:29:54 -0700, "Paul" nospam.com> wrote: >My Iwill Slocket II says that the Vcore setting has to actually match what >the motherboard is producting. I got a reply from IWILL Tech Support today, confirming this :( All I can say is that IWILLs packaging and info with my Slocket II is misleading. At least yours came with the documentation which mentions the limitation. Ok, so when is the Slocket III available ? Cheers Meng
Subject: Re: IWILL Slocket II and BX1836 DLU From: "JR" NoMail.com> Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2000 06:12:51 GMT Since the CPU reports what voltage it is supposed to run at to the MB, and the MB sets the voltage, whether or not that voltage is actually available to the CPU is the responsibility of the MB. Some older BX MB's simply don't offer some of the lowest voltages. Adding a regulator to the slotket is a solution, its just that no one has done it yet...
Subject: Re: IWILL Slocket II and BX1836 DLU From: "Paul" nospam.com> Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 10:22:02 -0700 Another company called Powerleap has announced on of these to be shipping by July (http://www.friendtech.com/PIII.htm). I wish I knew more about them because the Iwill stuff seems really well made... Hopefully Iwill ships by then with their III. I also found a new quirk yesterday about the required steppings to miltiprocess the PIII Coppermines which has put me on hold again while I wait for the new slockets. Only the newer steppings (made since April 2000) support SMP in the FCPGA. I am currently looking for two FCPGA PIII-700 /100FSB with steppings of CB0 (the ones I got at first were CA2). If all else fails I will go with two PIII-800s ($$$) since Intel's specs shows all 800PIIIs were the CB0 steppings. (one other plus for the CB0s is about 60 minor erata/bugs were fixed from the earlier coppermines). Paul
Subject: Re: IWILL Slocket II and BX1836 DLU From: "Muad'Dib (delete SPAMFREE to email me)" SPAMFREE.tm.net.my> Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 12:51:42 +0800 On Fri, 9 Jun 2000 10:22:02 -0700, "Paul" nospam.com> wrote: >Another company called Powerleap has announced on of these to be shipping by >July (http://www.friendtech.com/PIII.htm). I wish I knew more about them >because >the Iwill stuff seems really well made... Hopefully Iwill ships by then with >their III. I managed to open up the CPU holder on the IWILL, it comes apart nicely without breaking anything, I'm wondering if they will fit someone else's slotket ? If you have already bought a useless slocket II perhaps at least you can use its plastic CPU mounting. >Only the newer steppings (made since April 2000) support SMP in the >FCPGA. I am currently looking for two FCPGA PIII-700 /100FSB with steppings >of CB0 (the ones I got at first were CA2). Intel is really screwing us around. If it weren't for my 1836 I'll probably go get an Athlon. >If all else fails I will go with >two PIII-800s ($$$) since Intel's >specs shows all 800PIIIs were the CB0 steppings. (one other plus for the >CB0s is about 60 minor erata/bugs were fixed from the earlier coppermines). thanks, I'll bear this in mind. For the moment I'll have to live with my OCed Celeron 300A....maybe even consider drilling holes and soldering wires on two 300As. BTW where can I get two 600 Mhz Katmai's ? The shops here have completely switched over to 650Mhz+ Coppermines. Which reminds me, the Katmai's SL3JM (OEM) and SL3JT (Boxed Retail) are rated at Vcore 2.05V and I've seen at least one posting which said it doesn't work on a 1836....board revision problem I guess. Maybe 2 550 Mhz Katmai's may be a safer bet.....no such thing as a return policy over here. Cheers Meng
Subject: Bios 2.0 1836 From: "Dr.Karl-Heinz Fibig" on-line.de> Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2000 00:00:04 +0200 Paul at nospam nospam.com what a horrible email-address wrotes that coppermine in his 1836 Board is not running.This is definitely wrong.As I wrote before you need the 2.0 beta bios and a slot1-adaptercard to put a fcpga-pentium III into.The adaptercard delivers the 1,65V Karl-Heinz
Subject: Re: Bios 2.0 1836 From: "Paul" nospam.com> Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2000 15:20:27 -0700 What revision of the motherboard do you have? Is it the BX or GX version of the Motherboard? I bought my S1936DLUAN (BX) the first week Tyan was shipping the Thunder 100 and the Coppermine is not working in mine.
Subject: Re: Bios 2.0 1836 From: "Dr.Karl-Heinz Fibig" on-line.de> Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2000 00:46:09 +0200 I had also one of the first motherboards and I only can say that in my board the coppermine is running. maybe you need an other adaptercard and on my board the JP 9-12 have no jumpers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! By the way:If someone is interested in the adapter card:phone Germany I think it is +49 then 040 for Hamburg and 70205310 together I think +494070205310 it is H+D Computer and the card cost about 20 $.
Subject: Re: Bios 2.0 1836 From: "Guru" hotmail.com> Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 19:31:53 -0700 MSI6195master will do the trick but you need to take out your soldering iron.
Subject: Re: Bios 2.0 1836 From: "Guru" hotmail.com> Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 03:22:04 -0700 Directly connected N33 to pin3 on J3 on both cards. Jumper settings on the MSI6905 Master is J1: short J4: short 1-2 J3: short 1-2 (Coppermine 256K position) JV0-JV4 set to 1.60V BTW, N33 is found on the back of the slocket with the corners of the PGA socket missing corner pins oriented down, count five rows down from the top row on the PGA socket, then count 7 pins in from the right.
Subject: S1836 SlocketII SMP-CelII From: Markus Egle apollon.ai-lab.fh-furtwangen.de> Date: 6 Jun 2000 14:23:51 GMT Hi, Anyone tried yet the SlocketII on the S1836? I'd like to try a C566at850MHz. I've read that there's no way to run the new CelII in SMP. Or is there anybody out, got different informations? -- Greets, Markus Egle
Subject: Yeong Yang YY-0221 Case + Tyan S1836DLUAN-BX From: WaywardSon WaywardSon.com Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2000 16:32:06 GMT Is anyone out there using this combination? I would like to build a server out of my old motherboard which is the Tyan S1836DLUAN-BX other wise known as the Thunder 100. I have read the specs on the Yeong Yang YY-0221 Cube server case and it says it will accept an ATX board, however, the Thunder 100 is an extended ATX board. It's current case is a huge Supermicro tower and it just barely fits. Any help will be appreciated.
Subject: Re: Yeong Yang YY-0221 Case + Tyan S1836DLUAN-BX From: PIC bloodyidiots.com> Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 21:13:53 -0400 I have an S1837UANG-L, in an Inwin Q500, and a YY-0221B with an Abit BP6. So while I don't have them together, I have both next to me and can make some sort of estimation. From what I can judge, I'd say the an EATX board would just fit inside the YY-0221. You may have to be imaginative about how you route the cables leading to SCSI, floppy and IDE connectors though.
Subject: Re: Yeong Yang YY-0221 Case + Tyan S1836DLUAN-BX From: Tim Coyne hal-pc.org> Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2000 16:58:38 -0700 YY-0221 / YY-B0221 Mini Cube Server Case Specs. Motherboard Configuration Full size AT/ATX, Extended ATX http://www.yeongyang.de/products/yy-0221-series.html
Subject: Re: Yeong Yang YY-0221 Case + Tyan S1836DLUAN-BX From: johnliu earthlink.net (John Liu) Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 06:54:07 GMT I'm unclear which the YY-0221 case is, as I can't find any pictures of it on the YY website (JPG's "broken"). However, I have the YY-0210 (US) case and my 1836DLUAN-GX fits fine, in case that helps at all - maybe they are similar? Two other comments - my YY0210 case is not the best cooling case as the motherboard is on one side with only a single intake fan and no exhaust fan, while the power supply with its exhaust fan is on the other side of the case. I am just about ready to cut some vent holes in the case side and mount extra exhaust fans. Also, routing SCSI cables from the motherboard side over to the drive side is a bit of a pain. However, I do like the case a lot. It is roomy and extremely sturdy, it is easy to reach everything, and there's lots of drive bays. Get the 300w power supply.
Subject: What does FSB do for performance? From: xnospamjcj faradic.net (John Jordan) Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2000 14:25:45 GMT "JR" NoMail.com> dijo a todos por la internet: >The asynchronous mode of the VIA chipset is limited to providing +/- 33Mhz >from the standard Front Side Bus speed. So...if you are at 66Mhz, then >100Mhz is going to be your limit. Save your pennies for a PIII 600E and push >it onto a 133Mhz FSB. Makes a killer system... This reminds me of a question that has been bugging me. I am planning to get a Tiger 133 in about a month or so, after the dust is settled teething problems are over (assuming that it turns out to be a good board at that time). I'm kind of confused about what the FSB does for performance. I was planning on putting dual 600EBs on it. If I run it at 133 FSB, does that effectively give me the performance of PIII 800 MHz (non-E) CPUs? NOTICE: The e-mail address is deliberately incorrect. Delete "xnospam" from the username.
Subject: Re: What does FSB do for performance? From: "JR" NoMail.com> Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2000 23:08:09 GMT > > I'm kind of confused about what the FSB does for performance. I was > planning on putting dual 600EBs on it. If I run it at 133 FSB, does > that effectively give me the performance of PIII 800 MHz (non-E) CPUs? FSB is essentially the speed with which the CPU communicates with the Northbridge controller, and is 'usually' the same speed as the CPU communication with main memory (through the controller). The faster the processor is - while the FSB stays the same- the longer the CPU has to wait for data from main memory. Like anything else with computers, the faster the better... If you buy a 600EB processor, then overclocking is pretty much out of the question, as they will be running already at 133Mhz. To overclock them, you would have to go to a higher, non-standard bus speed. By bumping up the FSB on a 600E processor from 100Mhz to 133MHz, you have essentially turned your processor into a 800EB (go check the prices on those suckers...), and all your system buses will be running in-spec. Dual o'clocked 600E's at 800EB should ROCK!
Subject: Re: What does FSB do for performance? From: xnospamjcj faradic.net (John Jordan) Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 17:23:56 GMT >FSB is essentially the speed with which the CPU communicates with the >Northbridge controller, and is 'usually' the same speed as the CPU >communication with main memory (through the controller). The faster the >processor is - while the FSB stays the same- the longer the CPU has to wait >for data from main memory. Like anything else with computers, the faster the >better... > >If you buy a 600EB processor, then overclocking is pretty much out of the >question, as they will be running already at 133Mhz. To overclock them, you >would have to go to a higher, non-standard bus speed. By bumping up the FSB >on a 600E processor from 100Mhz to 133MHz, you have essentially turned your >processor into a 800EB (go check the prices on those suckers...), and all >your system buses will be running in-spec. Dual o'clocked 600E's at 800EB >should ROCK! So if I put dual 600EBs on a motherboard with 133 MHz FSB (like the Tyan S1834), they will be running at 800 MHz? That's the part I don't understand. Does the "600" in "600EB" mean "only when running at 100 MHz FSB"? Pardon me, but I am an idiot about current processors. I have an application that I want to run that requires fast CPU speed above all. RAM is not important, nor is video. I just need lots of CPU horsepower for this application. And my OS is SMP, so I want duals. NOTICE: The e-mail address is deliberately incorrect. Delete "xnospam" from the username.
Subject: Re: What does FSB do for performance? From: "JR" NoMail.com> Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 23:04:36 GMT John... The processors with the EB suffix mean it is intended to run on a 133Mhz FSB. A 600EB has a built-in multiplier of 4.5, so 4.5x133=600. A 600E (no 'B') is intended to run on a 100MHz bus, and has a built-in multiplier of 6. So, with a 100MHz bus, you get 600MHz. But bump up the bus to 133 and you get 6x133=800Mhz. If you have no intentions of overclocking, then the 600EB is fine. But the 600E's have a lot more potential...
Subject: video for S1836Dluan From: "Scott Evans" infiniteweb.com> Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 18:07:18 -0700 Can anyone recommend a good 3D performing video card that works with this motherboard? I have tried a GeForce DDR and a Voodoo5 with both claiming that I had insufficient firmware to support that device. Is there a fix for this? If not will any of the recent cards work correctly? I'm dual-booting Win2k and Win98. Anyone tried a Geforce sdr card? Thanks, Scott
Subject: Re: video for S1836Dluan From: Mr Jones mtco.com> Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 22:07:16 -0500 Scott, I am currently running a V5 5500 with my S1836 and Win2000 server. I have not encountered any problems yet. Installation was smooth. BIOS is the beta 2.0 version. Chris
Subject: Re: video for S1836Dluan From: srwnws2q00 cinci.rr.com (Scott W.) Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 16:54:28 GMT Scott: I have a Creative Labs Annihlator Pro Geforce DDR running on my 1836 motherboard. I have an occasional random lockup problem on Win2K which I can't narrow down. However it doesnt seem to happen with any greater frequency when I'm running a 3D game, so I'm not sure if its related to the Geforce card or not. I did have a heck of a time getting it to work under Win2K however. The big problem was the power supply. I had a 400w power supply, but it would lock up in Win2K everytime I started a 3D application within a few seconds. I called Tyan and complained about it and they said that the card wasn't suppported under the 1836 because of power supply issues. Now, I don't know a power supply issue can lead Tyan to say that the card isn't compatable, but I suspect that the real issue is that the board has difficulty getting enough power to the AGP slot. The AGP spec says that the slot can use a maximum of 25 watts of power and the Geforce DDR uses 24.5. Also, the wattage rating on power supplies, I found out, isn't the whole story. The amperage rating on the +3.3v lead, which powers ATX motherboards, is the important number. I went and purchased a 425w power supply from PC Power and Cooling, which delivers 40a on the +3.3v circuit. After that, no more lockups in Win2K when going into 3D mode. It always did work in Win98, I suspect because only 1 CPU was in use and therefore enough power was available to the AGP slot even with my old power supply. You should also run version 5.22 of the NVIDIA reference drivers. The drivers that shipped with the card didn't work; they caused lockups too, but it was different than the power supply lockups as they always occured at exactly the same point when going into a 3D game. The power supply lockups randomly caused crashes within the first 30 seconds of going into 3D. The 5.13-5.16 versions of the drivers worked to some degree, but caused palatte problems when changing resolutions in 2D or going into 3D. I'm looking to replace my 1836 board because I can't solve the random lockup issue (it crashes about once a day) completely. I tried a Tiger 133, but that was a real piece of junk (see my earlier post); so I'm not sure what I'll be going to now. Good luck. Scott W.
Subject: Re: video for S1836Dluan From: Yeah Right! u.com> Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 23:01:54 -0500 Scott, I have been running a Creative Lab Annihilator Pro (GeForce256 DDR) since Dec 1999 on my S1836DLUAN-BX. I have used the card in Win98, WinNT, W2K, SuSE Linux, and BeOS 4.5 and 5.0 Pro (only VESA 2.0 support in BeOS). I use W2K 95% of the time. I have had no issues related to this video card and have been happy with my success. I will suggest to use the 5.22 drivers as they seem to have less artifacts when playing D3D games. I have had the motherboard since June of 1998 and am running the 1.18 BIOS. Here are the contents of my system: S1836DLUAN-BX Celeron 466MHz x 2 (with ASUS Slockets) Plextor UltraPlex Wide CD-ROM Plextor 12/4/32 CD-RW Syquest SyJet 1.5 GB SCSI Maxtor 40 GB HD Maxtor 20 GB HD Western Digital 14.4 GB HD HP ScanJet 5Pse Adaptec 2940AU PCI Creative Labs Voodoo2 12 MB Creative Labs Annihilator Pro Hauppauge WinTV PCI Model 495 Creative Labe SBLive! 512 MB of system RAM Antec 300W ATX 2.01 Power Supply I have the onboard ethernet, SCSI, and sound enabled. I have COM2 disabled. I have seen a past person post a message saying that when they used the RAIDport addon card from Adaptec, they could not use the Annihilator Pro - are you using this card? When you got the firmware message below, what BIOS version were you running? _j_
Subject: Re: video for S1836Dluan-update From: "Scott Evans" infiniteweb.com> Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 12:40:09 -0700 Thanks to everyone who responded to this message. I took the suggestion of several people and upgraded to the beta bios and tried a GeForce2 card. Not sure which one of those fixed the problem but my Annihilator 2 works perfectly now. Many thanks, Scott "Scott Evans" infiniteweb.com> wrote in message > Can anyone recommend a good 3D performing video card that works with this > motherboard? I have tried a GeForce DDR and a Voodoo5 with both claiming > that I had insufficient firmware to support that device. Is there a fix for > this? If not will any of the recent cards work correctly? I'm dual-booting > Win2k and Win98. Anyone tried a Geforce sdr card? > > Thanks, > > Scott
Subject: Re: 1836DLUAN-GX new BIOS From: "Paul" nospam.com> Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 08:48:26 -0700 Some people are saying they are successfully able to run single coppermine cpus with the new bios although they are running the CPU at 1.8v which is quite a way over spec (read as voids your warranty). In mine (Rev D) I could not get a coppermine PIII 600 (256Cache/100FSB) or PIII 700 (256/100) to get past the post at 1.8V. Our older motherboards don't have voltage regulators that go as low as what the coppermine requires. Hope is coming soon Iwill has a "Slocket III" product now on their Taiwan website that has it's own power connector to provide VRM voltage regulation to the CPU when your motherboard can't it should be in the US and Europe later this Summer. Another one called the "PL-PIII" from Powerleap is supposed to be out within a month. Either of these two will let older BX/GX boards provide the proper voltages for Coppermine CPU's (but you will need the new bios). BTW -- I feel Tyan is supporting this board pretty well -- when the board came out the only PIIs available were of the Klamath and Deschutes type max known speed of 400. They provided new bioses to support PIII Katmai CPUs before you could even regularly get a PIII. They upgraded the design when the GX Chipset came out to allow twice as much ram. New bioses 1.6 1.7 1.12 1.16 1.16b and 1.18 were provided at various times adding support for more processors and new features that were not yet well defined when the board was introduced (such as Microsoft's and Intel's ACPI). This board officially supports dual Katmai PIII 600 (512/100) which is a 50% faster than what it was originally designed around. And finally if you have a real support issue they will provide you with the beta Bios that includes coppermine -- they sent it to me within 4 hours of asking them if they had a beta solution for problems I was having with ACPI and Windows 2000 server. (I think they are not officially releasing this bios for fear of lots of complaints by people who assume a coppermine will work and then get upsets because it gets fried). Paul
= Subject: Re: 1836DLUAN-GX new BIOS From: "Paul" nospam.com> Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 10:38:53 -0700 The GX can support Coppermine and so can the BX the Chipset is not the problem - but the BIOS is not the big problem. The problem is that our motherboards were designed with VRM 8.4 support or higher. The VRM (version 8.1) in our boards only PHYSICALLY can go to 1.8V at the low end so the board itself (no matter which bios is in it) can not physically provide the required voltage. This means we If you look at page three of this article it talks about the problems with VRM and compatibility. http://www.anandtech.com/showdoc.html?i=1074 If you look in the Asus group the Asus P2B-DS has the exact same problems we do (it was made at the same time as ours). Same thing for SuperMicro boards of our vintage. There is no way Tyan could have predicted the voltage requirements for a future chip. These new slockets will fix this for us but we just have to wait (or run your CPU way over voltage which can greatly shorten its life unless you do an excellent job of cooling). Paul Some S1836 have the VRM chip that meets the 8.4 standards and they will support the earlier coppermines just fine. Please stop saying S1836 wont run coppermines at correct voltage, it's not totaly correct. Your's may not but other's may. This brings up another issue when will Tyan unofficially support the newer coppermines?
Subject: Re: 1836DLUAN-GX new BIOS From: snowghost eisa.net.au (SnowGhost) Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 01:34:02 GMT A quick question. What revision of the s1836 do you have the CuMine in. And is it DUAL CPU's or just one? I'm really wanting to upgrade from the p2-333 I have, but I don't seem to be able to find any Katmai cores any more, and there isn't enough solid information RE CuMine support on the s1836 (I've seen the Intel P3-1000 advertised for $2,500 in Australia) so, I can't afford to go and buy something with ut a good indication it will work SnowGhost
Subject: Re: 1836DLUAN-GX new BIOS From: reply-bot the.matrix.com> Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 15:29:29 GMT Entry point Thu, 22 Jun 2000 19:48:31 -0700, "Guru" hotmail.com> was processed on reply-X server mainframe X12 T3: I would also like to know what revision of 1836DLUAN will work fine with fast Cu's. I am currently running two severly overclocked Celeron's 542Mhz x (2) on 124Mhz FSB, until Tyan releases final 2.0 Bios or one of those slocket adapters with a voltage regulators come out. I recently installed a Creative Geforce Annihilator 2 GTS DDR which was a total bitch to get working but it's working alright for now, but I suspect not as fast as it should. TIA nospam-porsche928 worldnet.att.netnospam remove all "nospam" 's for e-mailing
Subject: Re: 1836DLUAN-GX new BIOS From: "Paul" nospam.com> Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 14:05:45 -0700 You miss my point: only two people on this group so far has said thay have a PIII Coppermine working in their Thunder 100, and one said it was running at 1.8V (which is out of spec and voids the warranty of the cpu). As to the other one - I believe you are the one who said yours was working in spec at 1.6/1.65V but you also made the claim that it runs at 133FSB and was rock stable. Tyan boards and the Thunder in particular can usually barely get forced to overclock to 120% much less 133% so I have to really question your post. Your newest post is claiming Dual 850s which is making the claim seem even a bit more unlikely since an 850 at 133% is 1.131GHZ (or have you changed processors since your 133 post?). All other posts on this subject have been questions or have talked of failures. I asked the one other person who said they had success which version of the board they were using (and I pointed out mine was an early one Rev. D) and that person never responded back about their version just with a message that it worked. Now for my experiences with this -- I have tried the new bios with two different coppermines (600/256/100 and 700/256/100) in two different Thunder 100s (although both Rev. Ds) and all combinations failed to get past post. As to your links -- the pages you mention below both have disclaimers that only newer revs of certain models of their BX and GX boards can support Coppermine. Even Tyan's website says about their S1837 (which replaced the Thunder 100) that only revs H, J, and newer than J of their S1837UANGR and Rev G and Newer of the rest of their S1837 family can support. If all of their Thunderbolts didn't have VRM 8.4 I seriously doubt that the newest Thunder 100's had it. You can't blame Tyan for not planning in Chips that were not designed yet. Paul
Subject: Re: 1836DLUAN-GX new BIOS From: "Guru" hotmail.com> Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 19:46:03 -0700 > As to the other one - I believe you are the one who said yours was working > in spec at 1.6/1.65V but you also made the claim that it runs at 133FSB and > was rock stable. Tyan boards and the Thunder in particular can usually > barely get forced to overclock to 120% much less 133% so I have to really > question your post. Your newest post is claiming Dual 850s which is making > the claim seem even a bit more unlikely since an 850 at 133% is 1.131GHZ (or > have you changed processors since your 133 post?). And yes with 733 and 133 ram it ran fine with out any problems., but I wasn't about to toss out 2GB of PC100 memory. > All other posts on this subject have been questions or have talked of > failures. I asked the > one other person who said they had success which version of the board they > were using (and > I pointed out mine was an early one Rev. D) and that person never responded > back about their version > just with a message that it worked. REV.E
Subject: Re: 1836DLUAN-GX new BIOS From: Andreas Oettel atlantis.wh2.tu-dresden.de> Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 14:27:32 +0200 Were must i look on the Board to learn which revision i have? On the white field near the Bios? Thanks Andreas
Subject: Which PIII 600 CPU? From: "David Moy" midtownhealth.com> Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 13:36:47 -0400 Hi, I'm planning on buying a Tyan S1854 and an Intel PIII 600. I don't plan on o/cing. Should I get and EB with PC133 memory or an E. If an E, with PC100 or PC 133 memory? Dave
Subject: Re: Which PIII 600 CPU? From: hogan NOSPAMextremejeep.com Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 19:07:20 GMT David Moy midtownhealth.com> wrote: > Hi, > I'm planning on buying a Tyan S1854 and an Intel PIII 600. I don't plan on > o/cing. Should I get and EB with PC133 memory or an E. If an E, with PC100 > or PC 133 memory? If you're not going to o/c, get the EB chip. This will give you the best performance since it has a 133MHz FSB instead of 100MHz. -- -- Hogan Whittall
Subject: Re: Which PIII 600 CPU? From: "John Dechon" worldnet.att.net> Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 21:40:50 GMT I agree...get the 600EB/133 with PC-133 SDRAM. John D.
Subject: Re: Which PIII 600 CPU? From: "Tyler Hey" fsinter.net> Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 21:01:48 -0400 If you can afford it jump up to the 733EB fcpga.... It was a few more bucks but I found it worth the cost.. Tyler
Subject: Verify FSB From: "Plainsman" eudoramail.com> Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 09:01:36 -0500 How can I verify what my FSB is running at? I have a 600E 800, wouldnt that mean that my FSB is 133? The MS Machine app, says I am at 100FSB. Anyone know of any utils that checks this, or is it a no-brainer since the chip is OCd. Thanks!
Subject: IRQ question for group From: "Richard" att.net> Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 13:01:56 GMT I have just installed a network card. To use cable modem. Plug and play decided to share IRQ11 with my Geforce card. This morning my system froze in screen saver for the first time. Is this related? My gut feeling is with the resource demand placed on the video card it should not share an interrupt.
Subject: Re: IRQ question for group From: "Tim" yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 15:11:28 -0400 Richard wrote in message <8XJ35.21546$74.80620 typhoon.tampabay.rr.com>... >I have just installed a network card. To use cable modem. Plug and play >decided to share IRQ11 with my Geforce card. This morning my system froze >in screen saver for the first time. Is this related? It is very likely related. > My gut feeling is >with the resource demand placed on the video card it should not share an >interrupt. Your gut feeling is correct. -- Regards, Tim
Subject: Re: IRQ question for group From: "Thom" mediaREMOVEone.net> Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 23:00:31 GMT From an Asus owner lurking in the Tyan newsgroup researching for his next mobo: Do you have the network card in the first slot? It shares the IRQ with the AGP slot. Move it? Sound cards and SCSI cards are also bad in slot one. The Award Bios (in my mobo) allows you to set an IRQ for each PCI slot. Any free that your NIC can use?
Subject: Re: IRQ question for group From: Kirk Bubul bigfoot.com> Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 10:53:49 GMT Thom, It is not always true that the AGP and the first PCI slot share an IRQ. For example, the sharing lineup for my Tyan S1854 is: AGP+PCI2+PCI6 PCI1+PCI3 PCI4 alone PCI5+USB. This took a bit of getting used to when I transitioned from my Asus P2B to my Tyan.
Subject: Re: IRQ question for group From: "Thom" mediaREMOVEone.net> Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 20:53:28 GMT Thank you. That is why I'm lurking - to find out differences. My Asus P2B has been pretty rock solid, but I like to upgrade once in a while; this board will only go as high as 600 Mhz, so I will need a new board if I want 800 min next. I see lots of postings on the Asus ng, mostly from overclockers, and they do have problems. This Tyan group is more reserved.
Subject: Re: IRQ question for group From: "BernardRobinson" email.msn.com> Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 20:31:25 -0400 I had the same problem and had to keep swapping cards (between 3com NIC, WinTV, DVD, and 3Com PCI Modem) until the PCI Modem ended up sharing (least IRQ utilization I guess). I had the mapping of slots to IRQ sharing but I cannot find it now. Bernard
Subject: Coppermine on Thunder 100BX (S1836) From: "Berserker" gmx.net> Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 20:45:07 +0200 Is it possible to use Coppermine CPU´s on this Board?? Has anyone testet this? With FC-PGA -> SLOT1 Adapter or a Slot1 Coppermine?? Is there a new BIOS which supports Coppermine CPU´s + 1.64V ??
Subject: Re: Coppermine on Thunder 100BX (S1836) From: "Michael Mahrhofer" hotmail.com> Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 15:13:08 +0200 Hi, 1,8V won't kill a PIII Coppermine. A single coppermine should work trouble-free with the latest BIOS. Be aware of the fact that the first FC-PGA Cumine stepping (cA2 I think) is not SMP capable. Newer steppings are. As are ALL Slot 1 Cumines. 1,8V can be achieved by taping pins on a Slot 1 CPU. But I guess S1836 will recognize Coppermine with beta BIOS 2.x. I don't know any SMP-capable Cumine slotket, however. Abit, Asus, Gigabyte, MSI, Iwill, Tekram and Neolec slotkets do only support single FC-PGA PIII at the moment. Iwill plans to release a dual FC-PGA slotket in the near future. Michael
Subject: Re: Coppermine on Thunder 100BX (S1836) From: "Bergmania" my-deja.com> Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 21:09:32 +0200 Found this at http://www.abit.nl/english/product/slotket.htm Specification a.. Converts PPGA/FC-PGA 370 processor into Slot 1 b.. Supports Celeron PPGA / Coppermine FC-PGA / Cyrix PPGA CPU c.. Supports Dual CPU configuration d.. CPU Vcore adjustable (1.3v~3.5v) via Jumper e.. CPU FSB adjustable (66/100/133) via Jumper f.. More CPU options for Slot 1 Motherboard g.. Pentium II/III-like cartridge for easy insertion and CPU safety h.. Dimension:128 (W) x 73 (H) mm (w/o cartridge)
Subject: S1836 running Cel566 From: Markus Egle apollon.ai-lab.fh-furtwangen.de> Date: 23 Jun 2000 11:53:22 GMT Hi, I've made it to get an running system, with an CelII566. Using Iwill SlocketII and setting Voltage to 1,8V. Of course using 2.0 beta BIOS (thanks to the two guys, sending to me) Already tested 850MHz setting the FSB to 100MHz. The BIOS message is just curios, it shows an P_III_ 300, respective PIII 450. Now further I'll check stability with rc5. Just tested running at all, yet, with Adobe Premiere, rendering an short Video. No faults, yet. :-) -- a very happy Markus Egle
Subject: THUNDER 100 S1836 Owners Coppermine PIII Survey? From: "Paul" nospam.com> Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 14:10:28 -0700 1) Who out there has had success with Coppermine PIIIs or Coppermine Celerons? 2) Which CPU Speed, cache, FSB, and stepping are you using? 3) Running Single or Dual Processor? 4) Which version of the motherboard to you have? BX or GX and What REV letter? 5) Any overclocking being used -- if so how much? 6) Which Slocket adapter and what revision of it?
Subject: Re: THUNDER 100 S1836 Owners Coppermine PIII Survey? From: Markus Egle gmx.de> Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 23:33:37 +0200 Paul wrote: > 1) Who out there has had success with Coppermine PIIIs or Coppermine > Celerons? successful, 3h rc5 overclocked at 850MHz > 2) Which CPU Speed, cache, FSB, and stepping are you using? 566 128kB Cache, 66 FSB, Model8, Step3h > 3) Running Single or Dual Processor? Single > 4) Which version of the motherboard to you have? BX or GX and What REV > letter? BX, Rev. 4 (?) > 5) Any overclocking being used -- if so how much? FSB 66 -> 100 566->850 Still having problems with 3D (Xentor TNT2) at 100MHz FSB > 6) Which Slocket adapter and what revision of it? Iwill Slocket II No on"adapter" voltage regulation, only jumpers. Missing question: 7) Voltage 1,8V Greetings Markus
Subject: Re: THUNDER 100 S1836 Owners Coppermine PIII Survey? From: mimi01 my-deja.com> Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 07:26:41 GMT > > 1) Who out there has had success with Coppermine PIIIs or Coppermine > > Celerons? > >Coppermine FCPGA > > 2) Which CPU Speed, cache, FSB, and stepping are you using? > > 650 256kb Cache, 112 FSB, Model8, Step3 > > > 3) Running Single or Dual Processor? > > Single (but microcode error on start) start with 2 CPU but win2k crash on loading (and the motherboard run fine with 2 550 mhz and no microcode error) > > > 4) Which version of the motherboard to you have? BX or GX and What REV > > letter? > > BX, > Rev. E > > > 5) Any overclocking being used -- if so how much? > > FSB 100->112 > 650->733 > > > > 6) Which Slocket adapter and what revision of it? > > SOLTECK2A++ sloket with voltage regulator with jumper > modified the sloket for dual coppermine operations > > > 7) Voltage > 1.65V > > Rémi > >
Subject: Re: THUNDER 100 S1836 Owners Coppermine PIII Survey? From: "Guru" hotmail.com> Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 20:11:15 -0700 Here is a list: 1. Celeron 400 x 2 Overclock to 617 Steping 5 2.2V REV D. 2. PIII 550 FCPGA MSI 6905 Master x 2 Overclock to 733 Steping cA0 1.65V REV E 3. PIII 850 slot 1 x 2 Steping cA0 1.65V REV E.
Subject: Re: THUNDER 100 S1836 Owners Coppermine PIII Survey? From: "Michael Mahrhofer" hotmail.com> Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 15:31:45 +0200 How did you do that? I thought todays slotkets are not FC-PGA SMP capable.... >2. >PIII 550 FCPGA MSI 6905 Master x 2 >Overclock to 733 >Steping cA0 >1.65V >REV E > I will try it myself next weekend. Michael
Subject: 1836DLUAN + Geforce2 GTS DDR, anyone get theirs to perform really well? From: reply-bot the.matrix.com> Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 05:34:09 GMT I bought the new G2 and it has been a pain in the butt to get to work properly. It doesn't crash or anything just runs like shit most of the time. My old V2's actually outrun the damn thing. Anyone else figured this one out. I have to suspect the Thunder Bios at this point since it reads incorrectly according to Sandra. At Auto CPU and FSB with dual Celerons, the FSB should be like 66 but Sandra says it is 130Mhz at AGP 1X and 260Mhz at AGP 2X if I increase the FSB up, every incremental bump up all the way up to 124Mhz Bios FSB just makes the AGP all that much higher. I am running out of ideas at this point and thinking of trading it in for a V5 instead. Any advice would be much, much appreciated porschenospam worldnet.att.netnospam remove nospam's to e-mail direct
Subject: Re: 1836DLUAN + Geforce2 GTS DDR, anyone get theirs to perform really well? From: Markus Egle apollon.ai-lab.fh-furtwangen.de> Date: 26 Jun 2000 06:24:24 GMT reply-bot the.matrix.com> wrote: > I bought the new G2 and it has been a pain in the butt to get to work > properly. It doesn't crash or anything just runs like shit most of the > time. > At Auto CPU and FSB with dual Celerons, the FSB should be like 66 but > Sandra says it is 130Mhz at AGP 1X and 260Mhz at AGP 2X if I increase > the FSB up, every incremental bump up all the way up to 124Mhz Bios > FSB just makes the AGP all that much higher. Dont trust Sandra. But I figured out nearly the same with TNT2 Xentor. With 66MHz no probs. 100MHz setting up in the BIOS, freeze if running any simple 3D, just 3D-Screensaver. 100MHz setting up on IWill SlocketII -> red LED on the mobo -> about five resets getting an green LED and starting up. And no any more crashes with 3D! Just curios. Perhaps I will test, if I need a stronger power-supply. It only handles 14A at 3.3V. Possibly this may the resets needles. -- so long, Markus Egle
Subject: Re: 1836DLUAN + Geforce2 GTS DDR, anyone get theirs to perform really well? From: reply-bot the.matrix.com> Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 16:01:00 GMT Entry point 26 Jun 2000 06:24:24 GMT, Markus Egle apollon.ai-lab.fh-furtwangen.de> was processed on reply-X server mainframe X12 T3: >100MHz setting up on IWill SlocketII -> red LED on the mobo -> about >five resets getting an green LED and starting up. And no any more >crashes with 3D! Where do you get the Iwill Slocket II's? I am running some simple looking adapters which do support Duals but seem to work best set to Auto for FSB, I then bump up the FSB on the Mobo. The only settings that boot perfect are 66, 68, 75, 83, and 124. Speeds like 100, 103, 112 and 133 freeze the computer on boot up at the exact same spot, every time.
Subject: Re: 1836DLUAN + Geforce2 GTS DDR, anyone get theirs to perform really well? From: Markus Egle apollon.ai-lab.fh-furtwangen.de> Date: 29 Jun 2000 06:13:22 GMT reply-bot the.matrix.com> wrote: > Entry point 26 Jun 2000 06>24>24 GMT, Markus Egle > apollon.ai-lab.fh-furtwangen.de> was processed on reply-X server > mainframe X12 T3> >>100MHz setting up on IWill SlocketII -> red LED on the mobo -> about > Where do you get the Iwill Slocket II's? I am running some simple http://www.csd-computer.